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Russell Wilson....

They're infatuated with drafting backup QBs in the 4th/5th round. I never did quite understand this, as you should be able to get some bum in here for something close to the veteran minimum. I guess it's a low-cost investment if you hit big on one of them. Although they were doing this with Ben here, so I can't imagine them thinking some of them would ever be anything with backups.

Josh Dobbs, Landry Jones, Dennis Dixon, Omar Jacobs, Brian St. Pierre, Tee Martin, etc.

But I'd probably rather see Will Howard in the 4th than Jaxson Dart in the 1st. It seems like one of those two routes is inevitable. I honestly don't know a ton about Dart, though, so I could be totally off. Just seems like he kind of came out of nowhere and is creeping up by virtue of the position being so weak in this class.
You aren't going to get anyone with high pedigree drafting 21st, but you can get a guy with some pedigree that has a chance.

You're basically buying a lottery ticket in the 4th round.

They have nothing at QB. I wouldn't be waiting for next year or buying lottery tickets this year. But, that's just my opinion and also why I always thought the one year experiment of Wilson/Fields was stupid.
 
ok well the point remains, they need either a starter or a backup, depending on what you consider rudolph. If it isnt Rodgers, then who?
There's nobody left. I say that including Rodgers, because signing him would be one of the dumbest things ever done by this organization.

It's a scrap heap of scrubs. Lance, Wentz, Flacco, Lock, Keenum... yuck.
 
There's nobody left. I say that including Rodgers, because signing him would be one of the dumbest things ever done by this organization.

It's a scrap heap of scrubs. Lance, Wentz, Flacco, Lock, Keenum... yuck.
there truly is a mass shortage of qualiity QBs in this league. the fact that some of these guys names are even being mentioned is proof positive of that.
 
But shouldn't COACH T (QB Whisperer and Defensive Guru) be able to coach Mason up like he did for Ben, according to you? Then they'll be picking down at 32.
Shouldn't Belichick have coached up Mac Jones like Tom Brady?
Shouldn't Cowher have been able to coach up Kordell Stewart like he apparently did for Ben during his three worst statistical seasons of his career?
 
There were years where drafting a backup was a luxury pick because they had plenty of depth and there weren't big needs for impact players later in the draft. I think the Rudolph pick was the first attempt and looking for a diamond in the rough. It's like someone heard Duzz complaining about the kid from Oklahoma State killing them twice and decided he was the heir apparent or something. Ben got blasted for being pissed about the pick but in retrospect, he was 100% correct. Now, I think they're just fishing and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

Oh I completely agree. Rudolph wasn't like those other guys. They took him because they had a 1st round grade on him (time out, so I can go laugh until it hurts) and they had another 3rd round pick that year.

I think they legitimately thought he could replace Ben 2-3 years down the line.
 
You aren't going to get anyone with high pedigree drafting 21st, but you can get a guy with some pedigree that has a chance.

You're basically buying a lottery ticket in the 4th round.

They have nothing at QB. I wouldn't be waiting for next year or buying lottery tickets this year. But, that's just my opinion and also why I always thought the one year experiment of Wilson/Fields was stupid.

Oh I'm saying I'd rather tank. I see the options as:

Take a 1st round QB to eventually start; Rudolph is the backup, or

Make Rudolph the starter; draft a backup

I'm choosing the second option and hoping for a top 12ish pick in 2026. I don't think they'd take anyone after the 1st round with the intentions of him being the starter any time soon.

Even if they don't draft a QB in 2026, they might be able to trade for a guy in the league who becomes disgruntled with his team.
 
That's like saying Aaron Rogers sucks because the Jets were so bad last year when the guy wasn't even playing.
Yes it is
Because Aaron Rodgers sucked last year too
Mason played in 8 games and started 5 going 1-4 in those games .
He’s not good .
If he’s our plan it’s because we expect to draft early next season
 
Yes it is
Because Aaron Rodgers sucked last year too
Mason played in 8 games and started 5 going 1-4 in those games .
He’s not good .
If he’s our plan it’s because we expect to draft early next season
I think the two situations with Mason are quite different. Couple of those losses were to Buffalo and Detroit and the other two were at the end of the year when the season was done. Not making excuses but the Titans are a much bigger mess.
 
I screamed about this when they traded 2 years of Kenny for 1 year of fields.
It was idiotic
Yeah, that whole thing last year really screwed things up. No matter what you think of KP, if you make a trade and change directions like that, you better be making a big improvement to the position. Especially if you're bringing a guy in and not picking up his option. I know that wasn't the "smart move" but it's just like when the Pens exposed Fleury to the expansion draft. Hindsight, baby.
 
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Shouldn't Belichick have coached up Mac Jones like Tom Brady?
Shouldn't Cowher have been able to coach up Kordell Stewart like he apparently did for Ben during his three worst statistical seasons of his career?
Don't even mention Tomlin and Belichick in the same sentence. And no one in here is acting like Cowher was God's gift to coaching, but do you think Tomlin is getting to multiple AFC championships and a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell?
 
Don't even mention Tomlin and Belichick in the same sentence. And no one in here is acting like Cowher was God's gift to coaching, but do you think Tomlin is getting to multiple AFC championships and a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell?
In that timeframe yes, those teams had the defense and running game to carry an oaf like O'Donnell to the Super Bowl. Also, remember there was no real dominate AFC team the seasons O'Donnell was the full time starter for the Steelers, Buffalo's run was over and Denver was still a few years away from Terrell Davis carrying Elway to back to back Super Bowls. Plus the AFC Central was down those years, that helped the Steelers get those home conference championship games.
 
In that timeframe yes, those teams had the defense and running game to carry an oaf like O'Donnell to the Super Bowl. Also, remember there was no real dominate AFC team the seasons O'Donnell was the full time starter for the Steelers, Buffalo's run was over and Denver was still a few years away from Terrell Davis carrying Elway to back to back Super Bowls. Plus the AFC Central was down those years, that helped the Steelers get those home conference championship games.
Disagree. He has the highest paid defense now and the last time we watched the Defensive Guru’s team play, they got the ball slammed down their throat for 300 yards. The dominate AFC team you speak of in the Chiefs killed them in a playoff game once a few years ago. Cleveland, Buffalo, and Baltimore (who aren’t the dominant AFC teams) have also killed them in the other recent playoff games. He knows very little about defense, and even less about offense. But, hey, he has a bunch of catch phrases and good sound bites at his pressers!
 
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