Ryan Murphy Committing Tomorrow
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I would be surprised if this wasn't a commitment for us.
Seems like he will commit to us. Interesting recruit.
- Would qualify as your "designated shooter." Hopefully some Lair members aren't in their panic rooms as we have been told these guys cannot play defense and anyone they guard will automatically go for 30. Personally, I believe you HAVE to have a designated shooter in today's college basketball which has really become just a 3 point shooting competition.
- Shot 40% from 3 as a RS FR at Charlotte. 32-80 but in only 19 games because he broke his foot. Only shot 33 2 pointers which is kinda what you'd expect.
- Besides the injury issues, the fact that he only shot 28% from 3 last year is a red flag but he did only play 13 games and had a woeful stretch of 5 games where he went 8-42 and just didn't have the amount of games to offset that.
- Does seem injury prone as he has had season-ending injuries 2 years in a row and maybe 3 because I don't know why he redshirted his first year at Charlotte
- Went to Calabassas HS outside LA. Calabasas is one of the most, if not the most wealthy communities in the country. Although I'm sure most of those kids go to private school, I am sure he has some interesting stories about celebrities and celebrity kids.
- Overall, this is a low risk recruit. He has 2 years left. He'll either be a nice asset off the bench or he'll never play and you recycle the scholarship after 2 years.
- Would qualify as your "designated shooter." Hopefully some Lair members aren't in their panic rooms as we have been told these guys cannot play defense and anyone they guard will automatically go for 30. Personally, I believe you HAVE to have a designated shooter in today's college basketball which has really become just a 3 point shooting competition.
- Shot 40% from 3 as a RS FR at Charlotte. 32-80 but in only 19 games because he broke his foot. Only shot 33 2 pointers which is kinda what you'd expect.
- Besides the injury issues, the fact that he only shot 28% from 3 last year is a red flag but he did only play 13 games and had a woeful stretch of 5 games where he went 8-42 and just didn't have the amount of games to offset that.
- Does seem injury prone as he has had season-ending injuries 2 years in a row and maybe 3 because I don't know why he redshirted his first year at Charlotte
- Went to Calabassas HS outside LA. Calabasas is one of the most, if not the most wealthy communities in the country. Although I'm sure most of those kids go to private school, I am sure he has some interesting stories about celebrities and celebrity kids.
- Overall, this is a low risk recruit. He has 2 years left. He'll either be a nice asset off the bench or he'll never play and you recycle the scholarship after 2 years.
Nobody has ever actually said that, but I suppose it's also not a surprise that that's what someone of your intellect got out of it.
Seriously, find me one post from anyone ever on this board where someone said that guys who can shoot can't play any defense at all. The thought that someone could be a good shooter and still manage to play decent or even good defense must boggle your mind.
I don't recall anyone saying that guys who can shoot can't play defense. It's a given that he'll play defense at least decently. I don't think Capel would recruit someone who can shoot but can't play defense or isn't capable of playing defense. If he isn't, he'll be taught. If he can't be taught, he's on the bench.
I like this a good bit.
As much as they need a guy who can really challenge/push/backup Brown, they needed a third guard. NDir was OK, he was serviceable because he was a plus athlete and helped the maintain the pressure from the guard spots when he replaced X or Tre.
Murphy probabably is not going to be a strong defensively, but looks to give back more offensively. Crafty as heck, can shoot, and should be plug and play.
Agree that his injury history gives you pause, but this he can be a BIG help to keep the guard play a positive in backing up X and Tre.
As much as they need a guy who can really challenge/push/backup Brown, they needed a third guard. NDir was OK, he was serviceable because he was a plus athlete and helped the maintain the pressure from the guard spots when he replaced X or Tre.
Murphy probabably is not going to be a strong defensively, but looks to give back more offensively. Crafty as heck, can shoot, and should be plug and play.
Agree that his injury history gives you pause, but this he can be a BIG help to keep the guard play a positive in backing up X and Tre.
Wouldn’t it just be great if every guy on your team can shoot , penetrate , play defense , rebound , pass and have a great handle . Sometimes you need to settle for one dimensional players and right now sometimes at Pitt is right now . Pitt has to hope that their 3 freshman become significantly better shooters and that incoming freshman Drumgoole transitions smoothly to college ball or next season will be dismal . I have no idea if Murphy can play D or stay healthy for an entire season , but if he can shoot from three Pitt needs him . Pitt could also use a one dimensional guy who could rebound . There’s a place for one dimensional guys at a program like Pitt who has huge holes in its roster . Hopefully there will be a time when that’s not true , it’s just not today .
The injury prone stuff with Murphy is a tad alarming (couldn't think of a better word here). If he can become a Ronald Ramon type, then I'm all for it. Hopefully he continues to keep working on shooting, athleticism, etc.
The dribble-drives by X and Trey, then passing to Murphy, are what is needed here. Hopefully it's true too that other P5 schools were looking at him too. We shall see.
The dribble-drives by X and Trey, then passing to Murphy, are what is needed here. Hopefully it's true too that other P5 schools were looking at him too. We shall see.
Ryan Murphy seems to be a good but not great shooter. We don't really know about his defense. I realize this is totally hypothetical but would you rather have an elite shooter like Micah Mason, the 4th best 3 college point shooter in the history of the world, or a good but not great shooter like Murphy, who does not appear to be overly athletic.
You are selling Ramon well short. I will settle for Sterling Smith, who I actually liked. He just couldn't get any open looks because he couldn't create his own shot and James Rohinson created 0 offense and 0 open looks for him. With Johnson and Trey, Murphy, or a guy like Sterling Smith, will get PLENTY of open looks so it's just a matter of knocking them down.
Yes
The all Time assist to turnover pg held back sterling smith.
Lots of assists to every one else- but sterling.
Take a break
If I recall correctly, Texas Tech had recruited or offered him last summer before the injuries. If Texas Tech was interested, consider myself not all that worried about his defense - I don’t think Beard goes after a kid who can’t play defense in his system.
Not sure where the idea that he is injury prone came from. Yes he had a foot injury but if you look carefully at the google-able info on him it looks like he was only injured once and the rest was all recovery time related from the single foot injury (broken bone). I think that injury and the rehab-recovery time from it may also account for the reduced number of games and after return to action shooting % drop-off in JUCO.
In regards to Texas Tech, maybe Murphy was similar to Matt Mooney for TT?? Transferred a couple times, started at Air Force, then went to like South Dakota State or something? 6'3" 200, but could shoot.
Thank you. I was going to respond to SMF's insane critique of Robinson,
but you took care of it.
Murphy will definitely help us IMO. First of all he's a true guard and
seemingly has a decent floor game. Frame was more of a small
forward who could shoot and make three's. However, Frame had very
little of a floor game. Can Murphy hit three's as good as Frame? Well,
that remains to be seen, but from what I saw in his lengthy film, he's a
shooter and moves very well with and without the ball.
We definitely need another guard, and he fits that description.
Now all we need to do is get him to sign, and then go and get the
Big we so desperately need.
seemingly has a decent floor game. Frame was more of a small
forward who could shoot and make three's. However, Frame had very
little of a floor game. Can Murphy hit three's as good as Frame? Well,
that remains to be seen, but from what I saw in his lengthy film, he's a
shooter and moves very well with and without the ball.
We definitely need another guard, and he fits that description.
Now all we need to do is get him to sign, and then go and get the
Big we so desperately need.
Please, give it a break will ya. Next thing you'll be reminding us how.....as usual
you were right all along.
Tino never came through in the clutch. Robinson did it numerous times during his 4 year career. Just stop already.
My favorite part of his game is the pump fake. Really effective when you have a guy who can shoot. Maybe he can teach it to some of the other guys.
You have to have more than one legitimate deep shooter. You need 3 or 4. Even most 4s now play from the wings.
I am sure he has some interesting stories about celebrities and celebrity kids.
That was a totally random and really weird thing to post about this player. Also, Calabasas is a money town, but it isn't even one of the top 10 wealthiest cities in southern California, let alone the country.
You're the one who interjected the "all-time great" nonsense into the discussion. I don't think anyone would say Robinson was an all-time great based on stats or any other measure.
What he was was a very solid, offensively-limited 4 year starting PG for what had been for most of his tenure a good program.
Capel recruited him because he wanted to hear those stories. Maybe he doesn't have the internet.
And Robinson could play defense AND was a good floor leader who made clutch plays on both sides of the floor.
SMF keeps clinging to a coach who should be in jail and, hopefully, will be someday. He needs to change his screen name. Why would anyone want to have that attached to their online presence?
Don’t normally agree with SMF but J Rob was a solid game manager and nothing special at the P5 level.
His claim to fame is a really good assist to TO ratio. But let’s be real here...the reason he didn’t turn the ball over was because he did not possess the ability to get in the paint. Most turnovers happen when guys drive into the paint. J Rob would make the simple pass (low risk of a turnover) because that’s all he was capable of. He lacked speed, quicks, moves etc to get into the paint and put pressure on the D either by scoring or getting easy buckets for his mates when the D came to help on penetration.
He got most of his assists due to playing with some guys ended up playing in the NBA as was stated.
Not bashing J Rob but he was a poor shooter from 3 and never got better as a shooter. If you can’t get into the lane then you need to be a shooter.
Seemed like a good kid but was just a solid player. We all know Pitt has a long history of PG’s better than J Rob.
His claim to fame is a really good assist to TO ratio. But let’s be real here...the reason he didn’t turn the ball over was because he did not possess the ability to get in the paint. Most turnovers happen when guys drive into the paint. J Rob would make the simple pass (low risk of a turnover) because that’s all he was capable of. He lacked speed, quicks, moves etc to get into the paint and put pressure on the D either by scoring or getting easy buckets for his mates when the D came to help on penetration.
He got most of his assists due to playing with some guys ended up playing in the NBA as was stated.
Not bashing J Rob but he was a poor shooter from 3 and never got better as a shooter. If you can’t get into the lane then you need to be a shooter.
Seemed like a good kid but was just a solid player. We all know Pitt has a long history of PG’s better than J Rob.
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I'd have to see Murphy play in some real games to decide one way or the other about him specifically. But one thing that we do know for certain is that college coaches at schools a lot higher in the pecking order than Duquesne wanted Murphy to play for them, and when Mason was coming off one of the greatest three point shooting seasons in NCAA history none of the blue bloods and none of the next level or two down programs had any interest in him at all.
There's a reason he ended up at Duquense and not Duke, or even Pitt or Penn State.
And those NBA guys went from a 9-9 record to a 4-14 record when Robinson graduated. His departure was not the only variable, as the head coaching talent took a considerable nosedive from Dixon to Stallings. But still, it was clearly a much better team with Robinson.
Well, we don't know for a fact if Mason was eligible to grad transfer though I'd assume he was. We also don't know if he would have wanted to as he was already playing in a pretty good league (A10 had Xavier, Temple, and Butler back then). Grad transfers weren't a real big thing back then. Maybe you had a handful of impact ones per year. Now everybody does it. Its trendy. If Mason was coming off his junior year right now and wanted to grad transfer, I am certain he could have named his destination, except for the blue bloods and a handful of other schools. If his name was in the transfer portal shooting 50% from 3 in the A10, you know that everyone would be beating down his door.
And yet when he actually did transfer, coming off a season where he made over 50% of his threes while shooting a lot of them, none of those schools came calling. I get that a regular transfer and a grad transfer aren't perfect equivalents by any means, but none of those schools came calling.
The only real "NBA guy" on the roster during James' tenure only played one year at Pitt. Calling the likes of Patterson, Artis or Young "NBA guys" is disingenuous.
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