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Sacramento State has the #37 recruiting class in the country

If he were to be hired by Pitt where do you think he would be coaching the following year?

Hopefully some place bigger because it would mean he had a great season.

He will be the Pitt HC in 2027. We will have Wannstedt-level Top 25 recruiting classes. Not sure if we'll be able to keep all those guys from transferring but we'll have enough talent to compete for a CFP bid. You NEED talent.
 

Pitt is 58.

Brennan Marion is an all-time great, I'm telling you. If ADAG makes more than 1 call when Duzz is canned then he should get canned to. Marion is the Will Wade/Nate Oats of college football.
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They spent some money and got some commitments for a handful of 3*s seven months from signing day.



He may be a great coach but this is not much of an indication either way.

Um, he coaches at level lower than the MAC. Signing 3 star players at a place worse than Ball State is a historic accomplishment. What he is doing there has literally never been done unless you count Prime at Jackson State but I dont know what his overall recruiting rankings were.
 
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Um, he coaches at level lower than the MAC. Signing 3 star players at a place worse than Ball State is a historic accomplishment. What he is doing there has literally never been done unless you count Prime at Jackson State but I dont know what his overall recruiting rankings were.
Change your handle to "Brennan Marion Fan"...

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Um, he coaches at level lower than the MAC. Signing 3 star players at a place worse than Ball State is a historic accomplishment. What he is doing there has literally never been done unless you count Prime at Jackson State but I dont know what his overall recruiting rankings were.
He is doing very little, Sac State is spending money.
 
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When you do it by average star rating, they magically drop to #83, so I might hold off on rolling the Mr. Rodgers statue into the river to make way for Brennan. This is strictly a timing/quantity thing, and judging by some of the teams that are behind them right now but traditionally are not, it's likely they end up closer to the number 137 than the number 37.
 
When you do it by average star rating, they magically drop to #83, so I might hold off on rolling the Mr. Rodgers statue into the river to make way for Brennan. This is strictly a timing/quantity thing, and judging by some of the teams that are behind them right now but traditionally are not, it's likely they end up closer to the number 137 than the number 37.

Acrisure will be Mr. Marion's Neighborhood soon enough
 
1. Do they have more money to spend that most FBS schools, including Pitt?

2. Does the HC get no credit for exciting a donor base and getting them to step up?
Sac State has been telling anyone who will listen about the money it has raised while trying to get to FBS for over a year. Sac State's push predates Marion by months if not longer.
 
Um, he coaches at level lower than the MAC. Signing 3 star players at a place worse than Ball State is a historic accomplishment. What he is doing there has literally never been done unless you count Prime at Jackson State but I dont know what his overall recruiting rankings were.
I'm not a Marion hater and think he is going to be successful somewhere in the future. But right now, he is playing the short game. He's throwing cash around to kids that aren't getting $ offers elsewhere and basically promising them playing time so that they can have the opportunity to get big P4 NIL offers from there. And it is a great strategy. Do that, get a reputation as a recruiter, win and he gets an offer to coach at a better school. He'll bring his good players with him at every step. Wash, rinse repeat until he gets the job he wants.

He is basically doing what a lot of low level young employees do at public companies - sacrifice tomorrow for the sake of looking good today. I see it all the time. "Nope, I can't take a 15% increase with fixed pricing for the next 3 years, just give me 10% for next year". Short run, great, they are paying less. Long run, they will pay much more. Then they go to their boss and claim they negotiated it down, get promoted and leave rising costs for future years in their replacement's lap to deal with.

That is what Brennan Marion is doing in right now.
 
I'm not a Marion hater and think he is going to be successful somewhere in the future. But right now, he is playing the short game. He's throwing cash around to kids that aren't getting $ offers elsewhere and basically promising them playing time so that they can have the opportunity to get big P4 NIL offers from there. And it is a great strategy. Do that, get a reputation as a recruiter, win and he gets an offer to coach at a better school. He'll bring his good players with him at every step. Wash, rinse repeat until he gets the job he wants.

He is basically doing what a lot of low level young employees do at public companies - sacrifice tomorrow for the sake of looking good today. I see it all the time. "Nope, I can't take a 15% increase with fixed pricing for the next 3 years, just give me 10% for next year". Short run, great, they are paying less. Long run, they will pay much more. Then they go to their boss and claim they negotiated it down, get promoted and leave rising costs for future years in their replacement's lap to deal with.

That is what Brennan Marion is doing in right now.

Didn't he also promise the UNLV quarterback an NIL deal last year that never came to fruition, thus causing the player to shut it down for the season?

To call him a snake oil salesman seems like an insult to the .003% of good clean honesty residing in the bones of the fine men and women who have peddled snake oil over the years.
 
Didn't he also promise the UNLV quarterback an NIL deal last year that never came to fruition, thus causing the player to shut it down for the season?

To call him a snake oil salesman seems like an insult to the .003% of good clean honesty residing in the bones of the fine men and women who have peddled snake oil over the years.
That was the accusation. I haven't seen it as confirmed. But wouldn't be shocked if true. That is the epitome of "playing the short game". My guess is that the kid just wasn't very good (as evidenced by near 0 interest in him in the portal) and while they promised him NIL money, figured he wasn't worth it once they saw him in their system. I believe he is at James Madison now. I'm not saying it is right what Marion is alleged to have done to him. It is pretty shitty. But shitty things happen in the swamp of college football.

As a side note, I think the kid works with Kenny Pickett's private QB coach during the off season. Or at least he worked with him after he quit at UNLV to develop his skills while he looked for a new school.
 
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Didn't he also promise the UNLV quarterback an NIL deal last year that never came to fruition, thus causing the player to shut it down for the season?

To call him a snake oil salesman seems like an insult to the .003% of good clean honesty residing in the bones of the fine men and women who have peddled snake oil over the years.

It was a great move
 
I'm not a Marion hater and think he is going to be successful somewhere in the future. But right now, he is playing the short game. He's throwing cash around to kids that aren't getting $ offers elsewhere and basically promising them playing time so that they can have the opportunity to get big P4 NIL offers from there. And it is a great strategy. Do that, get a reputation as a recruiter, win and he gets an offer to coach at a better school. He'll bring his good players with him at every step. Wash, rinse repeat until he gets the job he wants.

He is basically doing what a lot of low level young employees do at public companies - sacrifice tomorrow for the sake of looking good today. I see it all the time. "Nope, I can't take a 15% increase with fixed pricing for the next 3 years, just give me 10% for next year". Short run, great, they are paying less. Long run, they will pay much more. Then they go to their boss and claim they negotiated it down, get promoted and leave rising costs for future years in their replacement's lap to deal with.

That is what Brennan Marion is doing in right now.

I know what Marion is doing but what people dont understand is that young, energetic, disruptors like Marion, like a Will Wade are what is needed. Unless you are Alabama or Ohio State, you need to do things differently. A place like Pitt has no chance under Narduzzi. However, if they bring in Marion, maybe he catches lightning in a bottle with some wild recruiting and we have fun for a year or 2 before he heads to South Carolina.
 
The idea that this question is even relevant makes me theow up in my mouth.
If their NIL is in our ballpark, it is because a single donor or 2 is going all in to try to drag them out of the depths of irrelevance. It won't work long term if that is the case. And I really doubt it is close to what we are offering.

Like I said earlier - Marion is likely telling these kids that what he will give them is early playing time. I think he is suggesting to them that early playing time at Sac State will lead to a much bigger payday at a P4 school, especially if he gets a job as a head coach at one. Schools at Pitt's level seem to be spending less on recruiting and more on retention and transfers. So Marion offering some $ and playing time is a compelling sale to the type of kid who is bitter that he is being under recruited.
 
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I know what Marion is doing but what people dont understand is that young, energetic, disruptors like Marion, like a Will Wade are what is needed. Unless you are Alabama or Ohio State, you need to do things differently. A place like Pitt has no chance under Narduzzi. However, if they bring in Marion, maybe he catches lightning in a bottle with some wild recruiting and we have fun for a year or 2 before he heads to South Carolina.

I don't disagree with it being a benefit to have more of an energetic CEO/salesman as your coach in this day and age. But I think where we'd disagree in the exact levels of radioactive toxicity this particular dude is harboring. Because it was bad enough when he was a receivers coach. I don't want to imagine what would happen to his ego if he were to be made the head coach of a P4 school. He might make Mussolini look like a humble choir boy with a penchant for volunteering in soup kitchens and collecting stamps.
 
If their NIL is in our ballpark, it is because a single donor or 2 is going all in to try to drag them out of the depths of irrelevance. It won't work long term if that is the case. And I really doubt it is close to what we are offering.

Like I said earlier - Marion is likely telling these kids that what he will give them is early playing time. I think he is suggesting to them that early playing time at Sac State will lead to a much bigger payday at a P4 school, especially if he gets a job as a head coach at one. Schools at Pitt's level seem to be spending less on recruiting and more on retention and transfers. So Marion offering some $ and playing time is a compelling sale to the type of kid who is bitter that he is being under recruited.

He's probably promising kids Monopoly money to commit so that he can have the 37th rated recruiting class on May 15th and use that as leverage to find a better job before summer camp.
 
I know what Marion is doing but what people dont understand is that young, energetic, disruptors like Marion, like a Will Wade are what is needed. Unless you are Alabama or Ohio State, you need to do things differently. A place like Pitt has no chance under Narduzzi. However, if they bring in Marion, maybe he catches lightning in a bottle with some wild recruiting and we have fun for a year or 2 before he heads to South Carolina.
You should probably lay off of your man crushes and ask a girl out.
 
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I don't disagree with it being a benefit to have more of an energetic CEO/salesman as your coach in this day and age. But I think where we'd disagree in the exact levels of radioactive toxicity this particular dude is harboring. Because it was bad enough when he was a receivers coach. I don't want to imagine what would happen to his ego if he were to be made the head coach of a P4 school. He might make Mussolini look like a humble choir boy with a penchant for volunteering in soup kitchens and collecting stamps.
I'm not even sure he'd ever be interested in coming back here. Seems like the kind of person that holds a grudge.
 
1. Do they have more money to spend that most FBS schools, including Pitt?

2. Does the HC get no credit for exciting a donor base and getting them to step up?
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Sac State has been telling anyone who will listen about the money it has raised while trying to get to FBS for over a year. Sac State's push predates Marion by months if not longer.
 
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If their NIL is in our ballpark, it is because a single donor or 2 is going all in to try to drag them out of the depths of irrelevance. It won't work long term if that is the case. And I really doubt it is close to what we are offering.

Like I said earlier - Marion is likely telling these kids that what he will give them is early playing time. I think he is suggesting to them that early playing time at Sac State will lead to a much bigger payday at a P4 school, especially if he gets a job as a head coach at one. Schools at Pitt's level seem to be spending less on recruiting and more on retention and transfers. So Marion offering some $ and playing time is a compelling sale to the type of kid who is bitter that he is being under recruited.

Can Narduzzi use the same philosophy and tell 4 star recruits its better to play at Pitt and then transfer to a P2 than to ride the bench?
 
Can Narduzzi use the same philosophy and tell 4 star recruits its better to play at Pitt and then transfer to a P2 than to ride the bench?
Sure. But only if it is true. That is the difference between playing the short game vs the long game. Marion can afford to lie to players because in his mind, he won't be there to have to deal with the ramifications. Narduzzi on the other hand, theoretically would.
 
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Sure. But only if it is true. That is the difference between playing the short game vs the long game. Marion can afford to lie to players because in his mind, he won't be there to have to deal with the ramifications. Narduzzi on the other hand, theoretically would.

We make too many excuses for Pitt recruiting. At PSU and OSU, they are never going to play. At Pitt, they will play. A good recruiter should be able to convince a kid to come to Pitt to play football and then transfer up if they want.
 
We make too many excuses for Pitt recruiting. At PSU and OSU, they are never going to play. At Pitt, they will play. A good recruiter should be able to convince a kid to come to Pitt to play football and then transfer up if they want.
You're talking about a different level of recruit and $ available. The guys that go to PSU and OSU are willing to risk waiting their turn for a year or so because they are getting a decent paycheck. And if the writing on the wall says that chance won't come, they transfer out to someone else that will pay them where they can get playing time.

I think we are in a precarious position where we aren't going to pay much for high school recruits. We can't afford to whiff with what $ we do have. IF we have any chance of competing in the new landscape, we are going to spend on guys who have proven themselves either here or another school. And for the most part, we've done ok there. Sure, we've had some regrettable losses to the portal, but overall we are doing well for the most part.

I think you are missing a lot of what I'm trying to say here. What I'm trying to say is, to put it bluntly, I suspect that Marion isn't being honest with his recruits. And he doesn't care. They are tools for his personal success and future opportunities. Narduzzi can't do that. One reason is because Nards is already as high on the college football food chain as he will ever be. He has peaked. The best job he is ever getting. And secondly, he has more integrity than some of his peers and many of the next generation of coaches. Put those 2 things together and we won't get him making promises that he will quickly renege on. If he is going to keep his job, he has to keep his integrity intact. And he is going to limit his use of money on high school kids. And I don't think he is wrong there. We won't be able to outspend OSU and PSU for a kid that they really want. Won't happen. If they really want them, they'll get them. If we end up getting them, it is because we offered them an amount that the big boys weren't willing to pay for the level of talent the player brings. So we would be overspending. Not a good moneyball approach. And I don't want to shoot our wad on 2 or 3 players and outspend OSU and PSU for them and forsake the rest of our class. You can't win that way.

I'm anxious to see how Brennan Marion's career plays itself out. I think there is a legit chance he continues to rise. But I also believe he will leave a trail of shit behind him.

Lets see how some of these players' careers play out before we salivate over their class. And lets see how Sacramento State performs before we turn green with jealousy over their class.

One last point, get out of the paradigm of recruiting classes. They don't matter for schools beyond the blue bloods. What matters is how you manage your roster and NIL. Gnashing your teeth over Sacramento State out recruiting us a full 6 months before signing day is silly. You can recruit like a God, but at the end of the day you have to assemble a team of 22 starters that can compete.
 
We make too many excuses for Pitt recruiting. At PSU and OSU, they are never going to play. At Pitt, they will play. A good recruiter should be able to convince a kid to come to Pitt to play football and then transfer up if they want.
And one final point. Your entire premise is way off. Total BS.

Yes, Sac State is rated at #38 in recruiting right now and we are rated at #58. But you aren't telling the rest of the story here.

The average star rating for Sac State is 1.94. Ours is 3. They have 16 verbals. We have 5. We each have 5 recruits. So, you are getting worked up and condemning Pitt over this? Kind of crazy, don't you think? How about we wait to see how this plays out first before crying that the sky is falling?

The sky may be falling, but it has NOTHING to do with Brennan Marion and Sac State.
 
And one final point. Your entire premise is way off. Total BS.

Yes, Sac State is rated at #38 in recruiting right now and we are rated at #58. But you aren't telling the rest of the story here.

The average star rating for Sac State is 1.94. Ours is 3. They have 16 verbals. We have 5. We each have 5 recruits. So, you are getting worked up and condemning Pitt over this? Kind of crazy, don't you think? How about we wait to see how this plays out first before crying that the sky is falling?

The sky may be falling, but it has NOTHING to do with Brennan Marion and Sac State.

The post wasn't meant to criticize Pitt as it was to point out that Marion is doing something historic as he seems to be getting FBS recruits to play FCS.
 
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