Barkley is a hell of a player, you can easily see it in his play...I will say if James Conner is 100% he is every bit as good, maybe even better.
Saquan Barkley, now Ive seen it all
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^^^^^THIS^^^^^ And that's all that needs to be said.
Two totally different backs though. Barkley is never going to run anyone over.
I think Barkley is a very good back. But he's not similar to Fournette, who compares more to a Derrick Henry. Fournette is a tall, powerful, more upright runner, more of a straight line sprinter, and a better receiver and pass protector. Barkley is smaller, shiftier, and quicker in changing direction, still strong and powerful, but more of a traditional, shifty kind of tailback. Both excellent players, just different styles of RBs.
Ped u is a school that has good CFB running backs, but none that can go on to the next level. Larry Johnson was the last one they had and I'd say he only had a few good years as an NFL RB. Barkley is next.
Just read it.
No argument from me that Barkley is a damn good back playing for a pretty mediocre team. Derek Henry good? I think he has some things to prove before anyone can say anything like that, and he may never be able to prove them playing for that program in its current state.
I'm a Pitt fan, but not one of these clowns that can't acknowledge a player's talent just because I don't like the program he plays for. And make no mistake, I don't like that program.
-I seriously cannot wait for this game. We will see how good you are Barkley.
-Just like Reggie Bush, he will be an NFL bust. No power, cutting ability is weak in comparison into an Elite NFL RB, and vision is also weak in comparison to an NFL RB. He also cant sniff the endzone.
-Just like Reggie Bush, he will be an NFL bust. No power, cutting ability is weak in comparison into an Elite NFL RB, and vision is also weak in comparison to an NFL RB. He also cant sniff the endzone.
If he stays healthy, I'm predicting him to gain between 150 - 200 yards. PSU's new style of offensive is geared towards run option and Barkley gets around 20 touches, he'll get at least that much. Probably one big gainer that goes house.
-With Our D-Line? Let's see about that. Unless of course the score is 24-3 in the 4th quarter and Bakrley gets all his yards against the 2nd string, like he did last year when Penn State was getting blown off the field by and decent team they played.
He is a good back is he very good or great I don't know yet. He got a lot of yards against scrubs but his OL was so bad they couldn't block anyone but scrubs. Like all PSU players he is a bit overhyped by them(remember sackenburg was going to win 2 heisman's) but no denying he is at the very least a good RB.
I wouldn't be so cocky about a d-line that the last game gave up 417 yards rushing.
-Facing a tripple option, you need Speed in the lb's and massive speed in the secondary. Last I looked Penn State doesnt have a QB that score 32 TD's in a season, 24 of them being rushing. If Penn State is going tripple option this year, let me know. Everyone else got contained. Hamlin will be a huge help with speed in the secondary with Whitehead.
-Pitt also had 3 turnovers in the redzones in that game. Cant turn the ball over like that and expect to win.
Everyone else was contained? Take out the QB and Navy still had 275 yard rushing for 6.1 yard per carry. I would not call that contained. How come every other team was to play Navy against the run better than? Pitt gave up 98 more yards rushing and 81 more yards passing and 179 yards total more than Navy averaged previously. All you have is that a freshmen who never played a snap is going to make it all better? The way you boast about a shut down defensive line they should have done a little better than that.
OK, we get it, we don't stand a chance.. But just in case, I think we should play the game anways. I mean it's unlikely that a team of psu's talents could ever lose but pitt already has Heinz field for the day and I'd hate for the vendors to lose out on wages so just for the hell of it, let's just play the game anyways. What do you say psu_nut, think we should just go thru with it even though it's a lost cause?
I not saying Pitt doesn't have a chance. I think it will be a close game that could go either way depending on turnovers. I just saying you shouldn't be boasting about shutting down a running back when your last game you gave up 400+ yards.
-What advantage does Penn State have over Pitt besides WR and TE? What advantage, and where? Id be happy to talk about this game with you.
I would say linebacker and secondary, wide receiver. I Think Pitt has advantage on both lines. You could make an argument either way on most of those positions. The rest is pretty even. Like I said I think both teams are very equal in many ways.
I want to hear an argument on this
James Conner- ACC player of the year, 1st Team All American, 1800 rush yards and 26 TD's in a season, All time ACC single season record holder for TD
Saquan Barkley- 1000 yards rushing and 7 TD's for the season
-Please argue that.
I hope Conner is fully revered and able to play. At this point none of us have any clue how he will be come September. How can you guarantee a guy just a few months off of chemo will be the same back as before? Add in he coming off a knee injury you don't know how much quickness he might have loss. I think it very reasonable to assume he probably early in the season not going to be as quick or as strong as he was in 2014 the year you reference. Barkley on the other hand is healthy and now has a full year under the S&C program. You also neglect to mention that he missed several games last year with injury. He very well playing a whole season as a starter match Conner yards. Bottom line is both teams have very capable backs.
-Ill tell you what.
-If Barkley puts up 1800 yards and 26TD's this year, I will change my sig Pic to Penn State and Barkley is the greatest of all time in the state of pennsylvania the day it happens.
-My man Conner was squatting 500lbs the other day. You dont have to worry about the leg, just the cancer.
Coming of knee surgery squatting is not the problem. It quickness and lateral movement.
-Conner isnt a speed player. He's a run you over player. He's an oldschool Powerhouse Fullback coming out of the RB Slot, ala Jim Brown. Quickness is not Conner. Its 110% all power.
I think Conner is the best and an inspiration to all but just so you know squatting 500lbs isn't big news.
Both our kids back in the early mid 2000's played football weighing in at around 190 and squatted around 600.
Conner is a running back our guys were LB's different "animals" so I think he has a way to go!
Go Conner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to bring facts into your rant, but the paragraph you quoted states that:
"Barkley didn't post huge numbers in the fourth quarter against his last three opponents -- Michigan, Michigan State and Georgia -- but he averaged at least 7 yards a carry in the final quarter in more than half the games he played."
Barkley's 4th Quarters against the teams you listed:
Georgia: 4 carries for 20 yards
MSU: 5 carries for 24 yards
OSU: 5 carries for 62 yards (including 52 yard run early in 4th when PSU only trailed 24-10 and OSU scrubs were not in game).
A dumb thread with not so surprising length of responses. Pitt fans could care less about anything except Penn State.
I can finish this thread with this. Saiquon Barkley is one helluva a football player and running back.
End of thread.
I can finish this thread with this. Saiquon Barkley is one helluva a football player and running back.
End of thread.
Curtain, watch this video clip of Barkley against OSU last year. This was a good/great Buckeye defensive and no, this wasn't their second/third string guys. Watch the play at about the 1:11 mark where he takes it to the house. Now are you impressed?
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Nice Video Willie, I would have no problem in wanting Barkley, Conner, Sanders, Ollison, Robinson, or Whitehead running the Ball for Pitt, as well as others on both Teams. I respect Steel-Curtain comments as well, just differs from them, and many think Barkley is a very special player. I know Conner is too.
I think all will be seen playing on Sunday too in the NFL.
Great game coming up for Pitt and Penn State!
-Barkely will be an NFL bust, like all the other Penn State NFL busts. Want to go there?
Maybe. Maybe not. But let's get James Conner cancer free first before anointing him as a Heisman Candidate.
You do understand that sometimes life trumps football, right? Or are you just one of those "steel tough" lunkheads that don't get anything like this.
"steel_curtain, post: 1265817, member: 5476"]-Barkely will be an NFL bust, like all the other Penn State NFL busts. Want to go there.
I disagree a tad, Penn state does lead with many NFL Busts taken high in the draft and not living up to NFL Toughness, Performances, and overcoming Injuries.
Yet, not all PSU Running Backs are Busts and one has to see the difference between the Paterno Era versus the PSU Coaches NCAA 2012 Reform Era:
Franco Harris was no NFL Bust and Lenny Moore was a NFL 12 Year Running Back! To be fair, Paterno preferred to build Teams that won more than Individual Stars and especially at QB not known for Great QBs, but they got the job done. it is my belief Joe loved watching a Team come together and play together more than just 1 or 3 Players being Stars.
Penn State has had many PSU College Stars but later in the NFL did not pan out and often taken in higher Rounds and did not live up to what they did at Penn State. It was actually Sandusky that develop the great PSU NFL Players on Defense. Joe was terrific in creating tough NFL Offensive Lineman too.
Larry Johnson was a beast for a few years, but would not be playing in the NFL with his Multiple Women Abuse Arrest and Conviction Records just like Ray Rice is gone now? The NFL Teams no longer tolerate that kind of behavior and that happen under the Paterno Era as well showing a failed Grand Experimenter and far less Success with Honor and were just slogans not true NFL Deeds on the Gridiron.
Curt Warner, Lydell Mitchell, John "Cappy" Cappelletti were average NFL Runners at best, with few NFL Awards or NFL & Team Records.
Unlike Pitt's Tony Dorsett, Curtis Martin and Shady McCoy, that had great years and won many Awards and played a long time at higher level and not 1st Round Draft Picks except for Dorsett. Even Randy McMillan, Craig Heyward and Kevan Barlow were better in the NFL than most PSU Backs, but Pitt's legacy of terrific tailbacks cannot be denied.
No question Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, DJ Dozier, Blair Thomas, and Tony Hunt all were overrated Draft Prospects and Big Busts in the NFL mainly due to injuries and not tough enough to last in the NFL games. Costings a number of NFL Clubs Big Bucks and fewer results.
Just today another BWI Posters decided to rip on Pitt Players Lack of Draft, but as usual, Pitt will put less Players in the NFL Draft and on NFL Teams, but those Players out produce and win many Awards more than PSU Players in the NFL and during the entire Paterno Era as well.
Tyler Boyd will out last and out perform any PSU Players in the Draft in the coming years, just like Fitzgerald, Revis, Lee, McCoy, Donald and Clemmings has done the last 3, 5, 10, and 15 years.
Where I agree with you, just this year CBS Sports named another 3 PSU Players as Big NFL Draft Busts and worse Picks over 10 Years? Pitt had only 1 Bust but 2 Pitt Players were selected as being the Best Picks the last 10 Years and that did not include Fitzgerald.
However, Franklin has recruited much talent at PSU and Franklin will play his Stars unlike Paterno that took time to develop them into blending in with the Penn State Teams, but seldom carried over into the NFL as expected at Running Back.
Barkley is still in my opinion a great one with a NFL Future, but we will have to see it over the next 10 years, and that does not make you wrong either. I also like Robinson very much as well.
I disagree a tad, Penn state does lead with many NFL Busts taken high in the draft and not living up to NFL Toughness, Performances, and overcoming Injuries.
Yet, not all PSU Running Backs are Busts and one has to see the difference between the Paterno Era versus the PSU Coaches NCAA 2012 Reform Era:
Franco Harris was no NFL Bust and Lenny Moore was a NFL 12 Year Running Back! To be fair, Paterno preferred to build Teams that won more than Individual Stars and especially at QB not known for Great QBs, but they got the job done. it is my belief Joe loved watching a Team come together and play together more than just 1 or 3 Players being Stars.
Penn State has had many PSU College Stars but later in the NFL did not pan out and often taken in higher Rounds and did not live up to what they did at Penn State. It was actually Sandusky that develop the great PSU NFL Players on Defense. Joe was terrific in creating tough NFL Offensive Lineman too.
Larry Johnson was a beast for a few years, but would not be playing in the NFL with his Multiple Women Abuse Arrest and Conviction Records just like Ray Rice is gone now? The NFL Teams no longer tolerate that kind of behavior and that happen under the Paterno Era as well showing a failed Grand Experimenter and far less Success with Honor and were just slogans not true NFL Deeds on the Gridiron.
Curt Warner, Lydell Mitchell, John "Cappy" Cappelletti were average NFL Runners at best, with few NFL Awards or NFL & Team Records.
Unlike Pitt's Tony Dorsett, Curtis Martin and Shady McCoy, that had great years and won many Awards and played a long time at higher level and not 1st Round Draft Picks except for Dorsett. Even Randy McMillan, Craig Heyward and Kevan Barlow were better in the NFL than most PSU Backs, but Pitt's legacy of terrific tailbacks cannot be denied.
No question Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, DJ Dozier, Blair Thomas, and Tony Hunt all were overrated Draft Prospects and Big Busts in the NFL mainly due to injuries and not tough enough to last in the NFL games. Costings a number of NFL Clubs Big Bucks and fewer results.
Just today another BWI Posters decided to rip on Pitt Players Lack of Draft, but as usual, Pitt will put less Players in the NFL Draft and on NFL Teams, but those Players out produce and win many Awards more than PSU Players in the NFL and during the entire Paterno Era as well.
Tyler Boyd will out last and out perform any PSU Players in the Draft in the coming years, just like Fitzgerald, Revis, Lee, McCoy, Donald and Clemmings has done the last 3, 5, 10, and 15 years.
Where I agree with you, just this year CBS Sports named another 3 PSU Players as Big NFL Draft Busts and worse Picks over 10 Years? Pitt had only 1 Bust but 2 Pitt Players were selected as being the Best Picks the last 10 Years and that did not include Fitzgerald.
However, Franklin has recruited much talent at PSU and Franklin will play his Stars unlike Paterno that took time to develop them into blending in with the Penn State Teams, but seldom carried over into the NFL as expected at Running Back.
Barkley is still in my opinion a great one with a NFL Future, but we will have to see it over the next 10 years, and that does not make you wrong either. I also like Robinson very much as well.
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I don't mind you coming over here to post respectable opinions, but comparing Barkley to Fournette means you have lost all credibility on this matter. He is not weak by any means, but he is nothing like Fournette who is a dynamite between the tackles runner. He is a really good back, could we avoid comparisons and try to keep it real.
