SEC won 11 of 12 against ACC teams
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14-2, yeah. But that is absolutely awful. 6-10 is something you can explain, but 2-14 just speaks for itself.
Man, I remember thinking what a gauntlet this conference was going to be when Pitt joined it.
The caliber of players I saw between Pitt and Mississippi State last night... I mean, that didn't seem like it was "just one of those nights." That seemed like teams from two different levels of basketball competing.
I've seen plenty of blowouts, but the difference in raw athleticism was kind of shocking.
Man, I remember thinking what a gauntlet this conference was going to be when Pitt joined it.
The caliber of players I saw between Pitt and Mississippi State last night... I mean, that didn't seem like it was "just one of those nights." That seemed like teams from two different levels of basketball competing.
I've seen plenty of blowouts, but the difference in raw athleticism was kind of shocking.
It is glaring the difference between a team like Miss. St. and Pitt in athleticism and speed. Pitt has some decent players and they can compete against most teams. But frankly, with the players they have right now, it will be very difficult to compete against anyone in the top 15. It's 50-50 against teams from 15 - 25. That's the way it's been since 2016. Now with NIL and teams like Miss. St. and the SEC paying elite players so much, I think what we have now is about as good as we can expect most years.
This Pitt team will win more games this year, merely because the ACC isn't very good with few exceptions (Duke). We'll get to our 20 wins, maybe 22, and be a 10 or 11 seed if we're even chosen for the NCAAT. At least we know this Pitt team battles (except last night because they were totally outclassed) and will win more than they lose.
Yeah, this team doesn't do the things that are there every night: defense and rebounding. Frankly, those deficiencies have existed for too long with Capel-led teams. No way I could see these guys making any type of deep run in the tournament without landing some type of sweetheart draw from a matchup standpoint. You won't be hot shooting every night.
It's been said that if you can play lockdown defense and rebound well, even with poor shooting and scoring, this gives you a chance to beat anyone. I think this is glaringly true and proven with this Pitt team. Capel's teams don't do those little things on defense and they don't rebound as well as they need to most nights. I'm not sure Capel and this staff really know how to coach defense and rebounding. It can be taught. We've proven it in the past.
Pitt was much better on D with Dunn. He's the QB of the D. Gets guys in the right spots. That shouldn't be overlooked.
Hope this is true and not just something Pitt fans are saying in apologist mode.
Always seems to be the one exact guy we lost who they say would have been the only guy who could have changed the outcome of the season.
Heard it about Ithiel Horton (lol); hearing it now about Branson Taylor; have heard it about plenty of others.
Meanwhile, most didn't even expect Dunn to start.
Color me skeptical when it comes to him making up a 33-point difference or anything close to that.
But I suppose I'll be a believer for now. Hopefully it's all fixed when he comes back.
Agree, been saying this since before he got hurt. Can't just look at stats with him. Also, his replacements are horrendous on defense.
Not me. I'm sure the posts in the threads are still on here. It was pretty ridiculous that people thought the Bosnian and Cummings would just stroll in and play significant minutes and relegate an experienced 6th year Sr. to the bench. Dude played significant minutes for Houston, and you ain't playing for them if you're soft and don't play defense.
Coaches love these kinds of guys, especially when you don't have any on your team.
He was only a 17 minute/game guy at Houston.
I liked his highlight tape, but I was assured on this board that his efficiency numbers - EBITDA, or whatever acronym was used - sucked.
Maybe we would have lost by 25 instead of 33. One guy doesn't make much of a difference with team defense. He may have helped, but it seems that Capel teams are not good consistently on defense. Or rebounding. This isn't the 2008 Pitt basketball team.
We'll see if they can get it together coming up. Fortunately, they'll be playing teams that are not as good as Miss. St. or even close to it. We need to face reality and know that this Pitt team is good, but not top 25 good.
Vader has insisted that Dunn is awful on the glass and that's why he didn't play that much at Houston. He's a tad insane, but he does know guys' statistics as well as anybody on this board, so I'll take his word for that. I highly doubt Dunn's availability would have put much of a dent in that 33-point difference, but what do I know?
What do any of us know, my friend. It's a game and anything can happen.
That was Vader nose deep is statistics. Houston was stacked at guard last year. Well, pretty much stacked every year under Sampson.
We aren't a deep team, even though we thought we were. That was evident when the bench shortened significantly early in the year.
MSU had grown men under the hoop. I mentioned this in another thread about the betting line. We got bullied and never responded, pretty embarrassing to say the least.
I more so meant in overall the points they've allowed being lower had he not got hurt. I think they beat Wisconsin and tOSU but obviously still lose the Mississippi State by 15 to 20.
It certainly can't be any worse with Dunn on defense; that much is for sure. Tough to imagine getting very far giving up 87/game, as we have over the last three.
I know this probably isn't a popular opinion here. But I yearn for the days when we limited the opposition to under 60 points, outrebounded them by double digits and still scored 75+.
Two things. One it’s a different year. The perception last year was still BS (as shown in the NCAA Tourney)
And second - you could create another 10 matchups and the ACC goes 8-2 in those games. I don’t think you can draw season long conclusions off one set of games.
Actually - very popular opinion to me. That’s winning be 15+, while the defense makes it feel even wider.
What we tended to miss was the one guy that could take over to match the other teams one guy that could take over. Defense and rebounding breaks down if one guy keeps putting it in.
Yea. All I heard was about Delalic. I definitely had Dunn had as a starter. Few did.
Yeah, but it felt like the reason we always missed on that guy - specifically, an NBA-level guard - was because our offense was so systematic. Not sure they wanted to play in that style.
You think that’s a conference issue?
The SEC used all their football revenue and hired some
Really good coaches .
While the acc lost 3 HOF coaches the last 4 years
Pitt could have had LeBron or Shaq in the lineup last night and still would have gotten curb stomped.
He's right.
Duke vs Vanderbilt
Duke vs South Carolina
Duke vs Texas
Duke vs LSU
Duke vs Ole Miss
Duke vs Arkansas
Duke vs Missouri
Duke vs Georgia
Duke vs Oklahoma
Duke vs Texas A&M
8-2 is probably still a little optimistic, but it's possible.
And hired 3 assistants. And then almost blue bloods Lou and also hired an assistant. Now we also lost Bennett.
I dont view NCAA Tournament success as the be all end all. The SEC's problem is they dont have that 1 super dominant team. They have 12-13 NCAAT caliber teams.
So I don't know how many SEC teams will make the Final Four. I'd probably say
Duke
B12
SEC
Then either B12, SEC, B10, BE
So 1 or 2
And the ACC will probably have 4 teams make the sweet 16. That's how it works but the national media will never recognize the success that the ACC has had in the tourney. We shall see how it plays out. H2P
We will be fine. There are plenty of finesse teams in college hoops that we can compete with, especially in our own conference. It will be about matchups for us. Any teams with strong athletic types especially their inside players will be a nightmare for us. Glad we don't play in the SEC, Corhen and GDG would be worn out by the end of week 1.
It’s the ultimate view of conference strength
If the SEC can’t achieve what the prime Big East , and even recent acc-
Then shush about its power
No it really isn't. I mean sure, to the people who think that college basketball starts around the second week of March. But people who pay attention to college basketball all the time know that there's a lot more to it than that.
Like did anyone think that the WCC was one of the best conferences in '21 because Gonzaga made the Final Four?
Scheyer seems to be doing okay. Davis has been okay at UNC, although off to a rocky start this year.
Losing Bennett obviously hurt, as he is one of the best. But that really has nothing to do with Virginia's downfall. UVA's downfall is a portal & NIL issue that occurred under Bennett's watch.
