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Maybe. I'm not going to judge what is in the posters heart. My point is that you can't be a "believer" unless you acknowledge that the possibility of it being built on fiction exists. It is inherent in the word "believer". If the origins of Islam, Judaism and Christianity were 100% fact, there would be nothing to question, hence nothing to believe.
But aren't you as much a believer as any fundamentalist Baptist? You can't prove that no Creator exists or that the Big Bang occurred.

The average Christian admits they cannot "prove" their belief. They admit faith plays a part. But the average atheist rejects any possibility of a non materialist dialectic.

When you promote this Secular Uber Alles mantra, it just means you want everyone to adopt your morality. If you really bought into your paradigm, you would argue "If you don't believe that pedophilia is moral, don't engage in it. Simple as that". I doubt you'll wax so consistent.

I view your argument that "Makes laws simply on what is needed for the greater good of our society. Leave God out of it" in the same vein. You are just saying that your morality, based upon your religious belief that there is no God, should dominate.

This Secularism that you profess was not embraced by virtually anyone until recent decades. Darn, how'd we ever survive this long and outpace other civilizations?

I think you're conflating the need to separate people's ceremonial religious practices with the common moral teachings which sprang from Christianity and have been accepted by our society. You need not be a follower of religion to see encouraging homosexual behavior as problematic. Separation of Church and State never meant separation of religious views and State. Atheists miss this IMHO.
 
I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you truly advocating separation of church and state or do you just want to hate muslims? There is a difference, you know.
Do you think they are mutually exclusive?
 
I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you truly advocating separation of church and state or do you just want to hate muslims? There is a difference, you know.
my argument is people pushing a secular govt are only saying it to christians and for some reason, dont preach that to other religions who are much more guilty of not being able to seperate the two.
 
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my argument is people pushing a secular govt are only saying it to christians and for some reason, dont preach that to other religions who are much more guilty of not being able to seperate the two.
We're not only saying it to Christians. That is 100% in your imagination. I'm sure it is because Christians are the majority of the religious in this country and thus are the ones trying to push religion into government. But rest assured, if any other religion tried to do it, I would be equally against it.
 
Great question. I'm not sure you really care what the answer is, whatever the answer is, I don't know it either. I do know that attempts to truly study it were met with derision and denial from the right.

Is there a system of institutional racism in the US? I think the evidence suggests the answer is a solid "maybe". But good luck in digging in to determine if it is true or not.

The 1619 Project should've been met with true interest instead of how the right acted about it. Is the 1619 Project true? Well, it is a theory so that says that whether it is true or not, we don't know for sure.

How about you support a full & complete sociological look at why 6% of the population commits 60% of the violent crime? Willing to do that? Or would you just shit all over every working theory without facts to back it up just so you don't have to face the possibility of any truth that is discovered?

Fine let’s look into why 6 pct commit over 60 pct. When you find the answer let me know what the solution is
 
Great question. I'm not sure you really care what the answer is, whatever the answer is, I don't know it either. I do know that attempts to truly study it were met with derision and denial from the right.

Is there a system of institutional racism in the US? I think the evidence suggests the answer is a solid "maybe". But good luck in digging in to determine if it is true or not.

The 1619 Project should've been met with true interest instead of how the right acted about it. Is the 1619 Project true? Well, it is a theory so that says that whether it is true or not, we don't know for sure.

How about you support a full & complete sociological look at why 6% of the population commits 60% of the violent crime? Willing to do that? Or would you just shit all over every working theory without facts to back it up just so you don't have to face the possibility of any truth that is discovered?

The 1619 Project??? Are you serious? That is a complete fabrication and heavily slanted to the left, way beyond anything reasonable. It's a bunch of people who got together to make up some stuff and pass it off as fact. And people were gullible enough to believe it, at their own demise.

There have been studies done to show what you're asking about. Look them up. Yes, there is racism in America....except not as you think.
 
Maybe he’s autistic. My austistic nephew, swear to God, is the same way. He won’t take a job in the city for the same reason so he stays in the south hills.

He is vaccinated...🤣😅😆
 
And what's a legitimate source? Don't give me that crap about the MSM, CNN, MSNBC and all of those other purveyors of extreme leftist propaganda. They aren't legitimate.

I hate to tell you this but ANY network is more legitimate than an anonymous Russian troll on Twitter posting something. You guys keep believing everything on Twitter without fact checking. It's remarkable. Maybe this is true but just because an anonymous Twitter dude post, doesn't mean it is.

Again, if I post on Twitter that Pitt is hiring Nick Saban, it doesn't mean its true. You guys believe ANYTHING that someone posts on Twitter like its a news source. THESE ARE RANDOM PEOPLE POSTING STUFF and many are Russian trolls.
 
leftists in europe, especially the UK, are saying the same thing, it's not happening, it's no big deal, how dare you bring this up while they lose their country, their culture and women are being sexually assaulted (and worse) by the same people they are protecting..

it's odd man, i dont get it.. i know lefty white people would rather hand over their daughters virtue to muslims than dare come off as offensive, again as we've seen countless times in UK but i'll be curious how other races and groups react..

Will black men, black fathers be so forgiving when it happens to their daughters? I doubt it. For the most part, they dont bend over to the progressive left in fear like white liberals..

Yet most perpetrators of sexual assault in the U.S. profile as the MAGA's demographic.

Are you really just worried that you can't get yours?
 
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I'm going to Belgium next week, I'm scared shitless !!!

I was in Belgium not long after that terror attack and they had police with machine guns roaming the streets. It is a bit of a scary sight to see someone carrying a machine gun. Only time I ever saw that in person was in Tijuana.
 
We're not only saying it to Christians. That is 100% in your imagination. I'm sure it is because Christians are the majority of the religious in this country and thus are the ones trying to push religion into government.
That’s really painting with a broad brush. Who are you speaking to specifically here because I don’t know anyone who is saying that? We just want to be able to say merry Christmas without being called names and also understand that there’s a correlation between christs teachings and a flourishing society.
 
We're not only saying it to Christians. That is 100% in your imagination. I'm sure it is because Christians are the majority of the religious in this country and thus are the ones trying to push religion into government. But rest assured, if any other religion tried to do it, I would be equally against it.
this is not in my imagination, school districts who are banning christmas trees in classrooms are also pushing "prayer rooms" in schools for muslim students. im not even talking about muslim dominated regions like minnesota and michigan but all over.

areas like minneapolis blaring muslim prayer over the loudspeakers 5 xs a day, i mean those regions are gone. just put a fork in that city cause it's sharia-land from here on out.

a story now happing in freaking morgantown. yes, morgantown, west by god virginia. in texas, yes, texas.. prayer rooms in public schools for muslims only, while people push the secular movement to christians lol. but yeah, nothing to see here.
 
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But aren't you as much a believer as any fundamentalist Baptist? You can't prove that no Creator exists or that the Big Bang occurred.

The average Christian admits they cannot "prove" their belief. They admit faith plays a part. But the average atheist rejects any possibility of a non materialist dialectic.

When you promote this Secular Uber Alles mantra, it just means you want everyone to adopt your morality. If you really bought into your paradigm, you would argue "If you don't believe that pedophilia is moral, don't engage in it. Simple as that". I doubt you'll wax so consistent.

I view your argument that "Makes laws simply on what is needed for the greater good of our society. Leave God out of it" in the same vein. You are just saying that your morality, based upon your religious belief that there is no God, should dominate.

This Secularism that you profess was not embraced by virtually anyone until recent decades. Darn, how'd we ever survive this long and outpace other civilizations?

I think you're conflating the need to separate people's ceremonial religious practices with the common moral teachings which sprang from Christianity and have been accepted by our society. You need not be a follower of religion to see encouraging homosexual behavior as problematic. Separation of Church and State never meant separation of religious views and State. Atheists miss this IMHO.

The Big Bang. Now there's a topic I'd love to talk about. There is evidence that there was more than one Big Bang and the universe we are in is expanding rapidly. The question becomes....are there multiple universes? I believe there are. When they say infinity, they mean it.

Sorry....I'm kinda worn out trying to discuss this other crap with the leftists on this board. They aren't going to change any time soon. They watch too much Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert and that's where they get their news.
 
this is not in my imagination, school districts who are banning christmas trees in classrooms are also pushing "prayer rooms" in schools for muslim students. im not even talking about muslim dominated regions like minnesota and michigan but all over.

areas like minneapolis blaring muslim prayer over the loudspeakers 5 xs a day, i mean those regions are gone. just put a fork in that city cause it's sharia-land from here on out.

a story now happing in freaking morgantown. yes, morgantown, west by god virginia. in texas, yes, texas.. prayer rooms in public schools for muslims only, while people push the secular movement to christians lol. but yeah, nothing to see here.
isn't that a good thing?
 
hmmm. Separation of church and state for some

While I'm opposed to loosening restrictions (and make no mistake, that is what happened here - just a loosening of restrictions - it isn't that Muslims are getting something that they and other religions already have), this isn't strictly a Muslim thing. Christian and Jewish leaders supported it too. Read articles about it instead of just watching TikToks. You'll be much smarter then.

For the record, I'd be totally in favor of rolling back the time restrictions on this AND applying it to all religions, organizations, groups, etc. I wouldn't want to hear church bells ringing all night regardless of whether it is my religion or someone else's.

This is a perfect example of why secularism is important in government.
 
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The 1619 Project??? Are you serious? That is a complete fabrication and heavily slanted to the left, way beyond anything reasonable. It's a bunch of people who got together to make up some stuff and pass it off as fact. And people were gullible enough to believe it, at their own demise.

There have been studies done to show what you're asking about. Look them up. Yes, there is racism in America....except not as you think.
I don't mind any school teaching a rare view like 1619 that demonizes whites, but then you have to let Holocaust revisionism in too. The hypocrisy is my issue. Bashing white Christians makes you a free thinker and crusader for truth but everything else is pure bigotry.
 
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While I'm opposed to loosening restrictions (and make no mistake, that is what happened here - just a loosening of restrictions - it isn't that Muslims are getting something that they and other religions already have), this isn't strictly a Muslim thing. Christian and Jewish leaders supported it too. Read articles about it instead of just watching TikToks. You'll be much smarter then.

For the record, I'd be totally in favor of rolling back the time restrictions on this AND applying it to all religions, organizations, groups, etc. I wouldn't want to hear church bells ringing all night regardless of whether it is my religion or someone else's.

This is a perfect example of why secularism is important in government.
Virtually no Christians ever believed in separation of Church and State, in the way that you represent it.
 
While I'm opposed to loosening restrictions (and make no mistake, that is what happened here - just a loosening of restrictions - it isn't that Muslims are getting something that they and other religions already have), this isn't strictly a Muslim thing. Christian and Jewish leaders supported it too. Read articles about it instead of just watching TikToks. You'll be much smarter then.

For the record, I'd be totally in favor of rolling back the time restrictions on this AND applying it to all religions, organizations, groups, etc. I wouldn't want to hear church bells ringing all night regardless of whether it is my religion or someone else's.

This is a perfect example of why secularism is important in government.

Our nation was founded on Christian principles and is a huge part of our fabric. There is no such thing as separation of church and state.
 
if your muslim it is.


for everyone else who doesnt believe there are 72 virgins waiting for you after you blow up a building or set a bomb off in a croweded market, not so much..
But secularists will bomb fast food restaurants and key your Tesla...and Christians will give you a stern admonishing!
 
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First. The reason many Americans post about being concerned about fears of Christian-based religious doctrine being written or applied in our government in legal system is because more than 60% of this country identifies as Christian, while every other religion combines for like 7% of this country. So it's not remotely a justifiable fear to think that the 1% of this country that identifies as Muslim as an internal threat to our political system.

Onto the other point, you ask a ridiculous question, you get a ridiculous answer. Posting a great replacement thread using a video of some random dude on the street and the only commentary saying "only serious answers" doesn't all of a sudden make it a serious topic.

As far as being radical secularist, not even close. I consider myself borderline, I wish I still believed fully, it would certainly solve those occasional spirals of existential dread, but I struggle. But it certainly doesn't help when "believers" pick and choose which parts they want to vehemently believe and codify into law while ignoring some of the parts that are inconvenient for themselves. Then they usual spout something about how can atheists have a moral code or be good people, when I feel like if you need the threat of eternal punishment to be a good person then you are not in fact a good person.
Oh fear not my brother. That 60% will keep dwindling down and you’ll have your liberal utopia. In 1950, the US was 90%+ Christian.

Thats the difference between libs and cons. Libs want the slippery slope. Cons know what comes via the slippery slope.

Today as you said it’s 60%. But in a few generations, it will be gone and then what? What comes next? Because to a liberal, there’s always someone who is more oppressed. To a liberal, society is never liberal enough so the solution is more liberalism.

But just remember, liberalism always achieves the exact opposite of its stated intent. So when God is gone from our hearts and minds as liberals want, what fills the void?
 
this is not in my imagination, school districts who are banning christmas trees in classrooms are also pushing "prayer rooms" in schools for muslim students. im not even talking about muslim dominated regions like minnesota and michigan but all over.

areas like minneapolis blaring muslim prayer over the loudspeakers 5 xs a day, i mean those regions are gone. just put a fork in that city cause it's sharia-land from here on out.

a story now happing in freaking morgantown. yes, morgantown, west by god virginia. in texas, yes, texas.. prayer rooms in public schools for muslims only, while people push the secular movement to christians lol. but yeah, nothing to see here.

Source?

Just because you saw this "reported" on Twitter doesn't mean its true. Stop getting your news from Twitter.
 
That’s really painting with a broad brush. Who are you speaking to specifically here because I don’t know anyone who is saying that? We just want to be able to say merry Christmas without being called names and also understand that there’s a correlation between christs teachings and a flourishing society.
I'm not sure where you live dude. I've said Merry Christmas hundreds of times in NE Ohio and Pittsburgh over the years without ever being called a name. Not once. Ever. But even if you have been called a name - so what? Turn the other cheek. There is no way your skin is so thin that getting called a name should upset you. That is a snowflake reaction.

I'll say it again - no one will take the joy of Christmas away from me. If someone is offended by me wishing them a Merry Christmas, that is their problem, not mine.

Having said that, I'm sure you have the decency to use some common sense. I'm not going to wish someone in a hijab Merry Christmas. Not because I'm afraid of them or afraid of being called a name or anything. It is because it would fall on deaf ears. They wouldn't care it is Christmas. So no need for me to waste my time there. I may say Happy Holidays though or some other non-religious pleasantry. Then I'd get in my car and put on my favorite Christmas hymns like Here Comes Santa Claus and Frosty the Snowman, sing the whole way home and enjoy the rest of my day.

There is no war on Christmas. Get it? There may be a war on Christians forcing Christmas on the non-religious or believers of other religions. I won't weigh in on that because it is subject to interpretation and my interpretation could be just as wrong as yours. But there is no war on Christmas. Christmas is for Christians. So who cares if non-Christians don't agree with how we celebrate it?

And for the record, if someone in a hijab wished me a happy Ramadan however silly that might be to do, I would just smile and say same to you.
 
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While I'm opposed to loosening restrictions (and make no mistake, that is what happened here - just a loosening of restrictions - it isn't that Muslims are getting something that they and other religions already have), this isn't strictly a Muslim thing. Christian and Jewish leaders supported it too. Read articles about it instead of just watching TikToks. You'll be much smarter then.

For the record, I'd be totally in favor of rolling back the time restrictions on this AND applying it to all religions, organizations, groups, etc. I wouldn't want to hear church bells ringing all night regardless of whether it is my religion or someone else's.

This is a perfect example of why secularism is important in government.
You totally pissed the point. So it’s ok for Muslims to do this but not ok for Christian’s.

And please spare with the the Christian leaders bullshit. There are “Christian” leaders who support grooming children and other forms of hedonism. They are CINO.
 
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The 1619 Project??? Are you serious? That is a complete fabrication and heavily slanted to the left, way beyond anything reasonable. It's a bunch of people who got together to make up some stuff and pass it off as fact. And people were gullible enough to believe it, at their own demise.

There have been studies done to show what you're asking about. Look them up. Yes, there is racism in America....except not as you think.
Where did I say the 1619 Project was truth? Point it out to me?

That fact that you are going ape shit at the mention of it sort of proves my point. You don't really want to know the answers. You just want to believe what you want to believe.
 
But secularists will bomb fast food restaurants and key your Tesla...and Christians will give you a stern admonishing!
i saw one person, a guy who identifies as a woman, who was arrested for vandalizing a tesla dealership had all the charges dropped because get this. the person was recognized as having serious mental issues..


so saying these people are crazy is acceptable now? But only to get them off fire-bombing car dealerships. if you say it for any other reason, you are wrong..

now Gender dysphoria is a "Get out of jail free" card.. great.
 
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i saw one person, a guy who identifies as a woman, who was arrested for vandalizing a tesla dealership had all the charges dropped because get this. the person was recognized as having serious mental issues..


so saying these people are crazy is acceptable now? But only to get them off fire-bombing car dealerships. if you say it for any other reason, you are wrong..

make it make sense, please..
My man! How soon you forget?!?

Not long ago a Special Counsel chose not to advise prosecuting Biden for classified documents because Joe was essentially a dotard. 🙄
 
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Our nation was founded on Christian principles and is a huge part of our fabric. There is no such thing as separation of church and state.
Actually the country was founded on Judaic/Christian principles and laws.
What is alarming is what is happening in Minnesota and Michigan. The mayor of Chicago wore a keffiyeh while posing for a photo with the head of Council on American Islamic Relations (Cair) a antisemitic organization that supports Hamas.
If the Islams want to pray 5 times a day why does the rest of the city have to listen to a loud speaker telling them to pray. It seems to me that when Christians and Jews go to pray they know the time when their place of worship begins.

Why is our country bending over backwards to accommodate people who hate our country and want to kill people so they can have 72 virgins?

IMO all of these sympathizers of Hamas and other terrorist organizations should go to the Mideast and live with them. Especially queers for Palestine.
 
And please spare with the the Christian leaders bullshit. There are “Christian” leaders who support grooming children and other forms of hedonism. They are CINO.
Remind me what age The Bible teaches for women to be married in Corinthians? Isn't it only restricted by when they enter puberty and are able to conceive which would be what....12...13...14?
 
You totally pissed the point. So it’s ok for Muslims to do this but not ok for Christian’s.

And please spare with the the Christian leaders bullshit. There are “Christian” leaders who support grooming children and other forms of hedonism. They are CINO.
Have you read the law?

I have read the law and it doesn't single out Muslims. Yes, Islam is the only religion that is popularly practices in the US that does this type of thing at all hours of the day. Won't argue that. But the law doesn't specifically give any protection to them that Christians and Jews don't get.

Also, why the F are we talking about something that happened 2 years ago?

And finally, I'm against any carve out for any religion. Period.
 
I'm not sure where you live dude. I've said Merry Christmas hundreds of times in NE Ohio and Pittsburgh over the years without ever being called a name. Not once. Ever. But even if you have been called a name - so what? Turn the other cheek. There is no way your skin is so thin that getting called a name should upset you. That is a snowflake reaction.

I'll say it again - no one will take the joy of Christmas away from me. If someone is offended by me wishing them a Merry Christmas, that is their problem, not mine.

Having said that, I'm sure you have the decency to use some common sense. I'm not going to wish someone in a hijab Merry Christmas. Not because I'm afraid of them or afraid of being called a name or anything. It is because it would fall on deaf ears. They wouldn't care it is Christmas. So no need for me to waste my time there. I may say Happy Holidays though or some other non-religious pleasantry. Then I'd get in my car and put on my favorite Christmas hymns like Here Comes Santa Claus and Frosty the Snowman, sing the whole way home and enjoy the rest of my day.

There is no war on Christmas. Get it? There may be a war on Christians forcing Christmas on the non-religious or believers of other religions. I won't weigh in on that because it is subject to interpretation and my interpretation could be just as wrong as yours. But there is no war on Christmas. Christmas is for Christians. So who cares if non-Christians don't agree with how we celebrate it?

And for the record, if someone in a hijab wished me a happy Ramadan however silly that might be to do, I would just smile and say same to you.
Buddy I was called names here for simply using the word female to describe women and girls. That’s not hyperbole. It actually happened. And earlier in this thread I was chastised for using the word breeding. Look at the happy Easter threads on the board through the years. You get three posts into the thread before someone loses their minds.
 
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My man! How soon you forget?!?

Not long ago a Special Counsel chose not to advise prosecuting Biden for classified documents because Joe was essentially a dotard. 🙄
yep, when the right makes these accusations, they are wrong but when the left does it to get off charges, it's ok.
 
Buddy I was called names here for simply using the word female to describe women and girls. That’s not hyperbole. It actually happened. And earlier in this thread I was chastised for using the word breeding. Look at the happy Easter threads on the board through the years. You get three posts into the thread before someone loses their minds.
wait, what's wrong with the word "breeding?"
 
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