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What if Dixon comes back says they are offering $XX? Should Pitt go to their check books again for Jamie?

I am torn. I see the program is not at the level it was a few years ago and while I realize there are ups and downs everywhere, the recruiting hasn't been at a level high enough to see improvement on the horizon.

if it came to it I would not give him a raise and let him decide. if he wanted to stay I would approve more money for better recruiting assistants but I doubt Jamie would let go of his guys
 
It depends who we think we can get. If we can get Miller, Matta, Marshall, someone like that, drive Dixon to the airport. If we can only get a mid-major coach, that's a tough one.
 
pittgoat said:
What if Dixon comes back says they are offering $XX? Should Pitt go to their check books again for Jamie?

I am torn. I see the program is not at the level it was a few years ago and while I realize there are ups and downs everywhere, the recruiting hasn't been at a level high enough to see improvement on the horizon.

if it came to it I would not give him a raise and let him decide. if he wanted to stay I would approve more money for better recruiting assistants but I doubt Jamie would let go of his guys.

Now may be the best time to move on for both parties.
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They could offer him performance based incentives like so much for making top 20, top ten, advancing so far in the tourney, etc. They could do that. But, I don't think money is the issue if he leaves.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
It depends who we think we can get. If we can get Miller, Matta, Marshall, someone like that, drive Dixon to the airport. If we can only get a mid-major coach, that's a tough one.
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Why would we want Miller? He would not be an upgrade, IMO. And I am not sure Matta would be either.
 
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Depends on what they offer.Is TCU a cash cow all of the sudden? If it's more than he makes here.Yes.. Otherwise they'll have to find someone on par with Dixon.And that's going to cost you some money too...The only other person I'd want would be Sean Miller.Otherwise pony up more to keep him.
 
Absolutely not. He has done that way too many times to Pitt. You extend him any longer and he's going to basically have a lifetime contract.

Call his bluff. If he leaves, he leaves. The guy just scored 43 points in the tournament and has 1 tournament win in the last 4 years.
 
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Negatory.
In fact I'd reopen and restructure his contract to include a lower base with large incentives for achieving a targeted season record/finish in the acc, ncaa tourney performance / sweet sixteen, etc.
 
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Well... I guarantee you that is what Dixon is thinking (hoping). Now - he won't even have to listen to any "suggestions" Barnes may have on assistants or anything else for that matter.

Give Dixon credit. He's not as stupid as he coaches.
 
TCU is more willing to spend on athletics than Pitt is, imo. I honestly think many of us devalue our program. The facilities and conference alone will attract many good candidates.
 
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Sean Miller Fan said:
It depends who we think we can get. If we can get Miller, Matta, Marshall, someone like that, drive Dixon to the airport. If we can only get a mid-major coach, that's a tough one.
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I sure hope we don't have leaders in place currently who would be afraid of who they could get to replace him. I don't want anyone leading our program with that mindset.

Giving Dixon a raise at the current time shouldn't be anywhere close to a remote possibility.
 
when did TCU become Kentucky? I missed something here.. I can name one person that has every played at tcu, and that's only because he is our coach..
 
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DC_Area_Panther said:
Why would we want Miller? He would not be an upgrade, IMO. And I am not sure Matta would be either.
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Miller is a better recruiter. People forget he was a Fields step back from beating our best team ever and the players he recruited beat us the next year but under Chris Mack. And that was when he only had the A10 to sell.
 
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All this considered, given his recent contract extension, as a result of his flirtation with TCU or any other school, they ought to give him a good swift kick in the tail and tell him "good riddance!"
 
pittgoat said:
What if Dixon comes back says they are offering $XX? Should Pitt go to their check books again for Jamie?

I am torn. I see the program is not at the level it was a few years ago and while I realize there are ups and downs everywhere, the recruiting hasn't been at a level high enough to see improvement on the horizon.

if it came to it I would not give him a raise and let him decide. if he wanted to stay I would approve more money for better recruiting assistants but I doubt Jamie would let go of his guys
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I back Jamie and feel he will get this program back to where it needs to be.

But the short answer to your question is a resounding NO. Jamie is in no postition right now to leverage for more money nor do I think he will. Any interest in TCU will be genuine.
 
pittgoat said:
What if Dixon comes back says they are offering $XX? Should Pitt go to their check books again for Jamie?

I am torn. I see the program is not at the level it was a few years ago and while I realize there are ups and downs everywhere, the recruiting hasn't been at a level high enough to see improvement on the horizon.

if it came to it I would not give him a raise and let him decide. if he wanted to stay I would approve more money for better recruiting assistants but I doubt Jamie would let go of his guys
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No. I'm a Dixon supporter, but no more raises.
 
Paul Zeise was preaching on the radio today how Pitt is the 4th or 5th best job in the ACC and how, if JD were to leave, or when JD leaves, there will be serious national interest in the Pitt job. Not the Coach K or Rick Pitino (think goodness on him) type elite coaches, but the next tier of coaches.

PZ thinks the Pitt job has a lot to offer -- and he also thought that JD would be crazy to leave Pitt and Pitt would be crazy to get rid of JD...

I think JD has to change his coaching team and his approach if he stays... No more 4s playing the 5; bring in a couple of legit centers; quit striking out on your next PG; find a shooting guard who can actually shoot... Lots to do.

Go Pitt.
 
could imagine the public backlash if Dixon got a raise?? It would almost be worth it just to see how insanely upset most people would get. Local media would destroy the AD
 
If it keeps him here. You got to match TCU.

If he decides to go to TCU. We will become Wake Forest, or BC, or PED ST. No doubt , you do whatever it takes to keep him here.
 
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DC_Area_Panther said:
They could offer him performance based incentives like so much for making top 20, top ten, advancing so far in the tourney, etc. They could do that. But, I don't think money is the issue if he leaves.
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They already do that. He only makes a $1.4MM base salary.

I think the best they could do is maybe raise the base salary, eliminate some incentives, and then you still have the same ceiling on what he can make while giving Dixon more cost certainty.

I would agree though that this isn't a money thing.
 
sherepower said:
If it keeps him here. You got to match TCU.

If he decides to go to TCU. We will become Wake Forest, or BC, or PED ST. No doubt you do whatever it takes to keep him here.
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Why would you want to keep an employee who is performing at an average level.
Look at it the other way!
If he leaves we become like Duke, NC, Virginia, etc
Look at this as an opportunity for PITT basketball!
I see so many posts where posters are afraid of changing a coach who's performance in the last six years has been average at best.
Being afraid of change isn't good!
 
BuffetParrothead said:
Why would you want to keep an employee who is performing at an average level.
Look at it the other way!
If he leaves we become like Duke, NC, Virginia, etc
Look at this as an opportunity for PITT basketball!
I see so many posts where posters are afraid of changing a coach who's performance in the last six years has been average at best.
Being afraid of change isn't good!
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Sarcasm
 
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pittgoat said:
What if Dixon comes back says they are offering $XX? Should Pitt go to their check books again for Jamie?

I am torn. I see the program is not at the level it was a few years ago and while I realize there are ups and downs everywhere, the recruiting hasn't been at a level high enough to see improvement on the horizon.

if it came to it I would not give him a raise and let him decide. if he wanted to stay I would approve more money for better recruiting assistants but I doubt Jamie would let go of his guys
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I do agree with the last part of this. If there are things Dixon feels he needs and he can leverage this to get them ok. Like recruiting budgets, assistants salaries or even facility upgrades. I realize they just redid the locker room but I only mention that because of some of the things they did with the football team. If he can get some needed upgrades (if there are any) I'm ok with that.

But again as far as his money - I wouldn't change anything. Not even restructuring his contract to provide more guaranteed money as someone else suggested. He used his leverage at the time to get a 10 year deal and right now that's enough.
 
pittgoat said:
What if Dixon comes back says they are offering $XX? Should Pitt go to their check books again for Jamie?

I am torn. I see the program is not at the level it was a few years ago and while I realize there are ups and downs everywhere, the recruiting hasn't been at a level high enough to see improvement on the horizon.

if it came to it I would not give him a raise and let him decide. if he wanted to stay I would approve more money for better recruiting assistants but I doubt Jamie would let go of his guys
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I don't think this is about money.
 
Delpanther said:
The fact that he's once again flirting with another school is reason enough to kick him to the curb! His ego far exceeds his accomplishments.
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Not an ego thing, I suspect. Just the opposite, actually.
 
DT_PITT said:
I don't think this is about money.
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Neither do I. I think it is a combination of things...feeling that the public's expectations are unreasonable at pitt, and that he might want to get out of dodge before he gets fired for what is still solid performance. I don't think he likes the acc. I think he had a good relationship with Steve.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
It depends who we think we can get. If we can get Miller, Matta, Marshall, someone like that, drive Dixon to the airport. If we can only get a mid-major coach, that's a tough one.
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Marshall is a mid-major coach. Matta was a highly successful mid-major coach. Howland was a highly successful mid-major coach. Most P5 coaches were successful mid-major coaches, that's how they ended up at bigger programs.
 
DT_PITT said:
I don't think this is about money.
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I don't either, but by the same token it's about being underappreciated by Pitt fans. Of the list of factors that would compel him to take the TCU job, that wouldn't make the top 10. The big ones would be the ACC and the new AD and the lack of mutual loyalty that comes with.

Fans of every P5 program have high expectations, especially for a new coach who's replacing someone who wasn't getting it done.
 
DT_PITT said:
Not an ego thing, I suspect. Just the opposite, actually.
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DT,
I get that it's not money but as I noted earlier I will be extremely disappointed if it's because of a lack of fan support. That really strikes me as whining and below the line behavior. Dixon had fan support when he was contending for the Big East. He should realize that his poor schedule and mediocre conference record play a big reason for a decline in support.

You don't get to ask Pitt for raise after raise when delivering outstanding results and then whine when fans are not supportive when you fall very short of those expectations. Dixon should own up to this.
 
martingale said:
DT,
I get that it's not money but as I noted earlier I will be extremely disappointed if it's because of a lack of fan support. That really strikes me as whining and below the line behavior. Dixon had fan support when he was contending for the Big East. He should realize that his poor schedule and mediocre conference record play a big reason for a decline in support.

You don't get to ask Pitt for raise after raise when delivering outstanding results and then whine when fans are not supportive when you fall very short of those expectations. Dixon should own up to this.
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First, let me say that MUCH of this is pure conjecture on my part.

And I don't disagree with what you are saying. But sometimes, a change can be what's best.
 
pittgoat said:
What if Dixon comes back says they are offering $XX? Should Pitt go to their check books again for Jamie?

I am torn. I see the program is not at the level it was a few years ago and while I realize there are ups and downs everywhere, the recruiting hasn't been at a level high enough to see improvement on the horizon.

if it came to it I would not give him a raise and let him decide. if he wanted to stay I would approve more money for better recruiting assistants but I doubt Jamie would let go of his guys
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NFW!
 
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