SMF apparently solved the FSU lawsuit

[pittdan77]

With the shortened GOR, ESPN is heavily involved. It isn't to ESPN's benefit to shorten the GOR getting the ACC schools on the cheap for the main tv deal. With the tv distributors refusing to pay for the in-market rates for the whole state for these conference networks, the economics for the ACCN drastically change. ESPN probably sees the ACCN as a money pit so they are agreeable to shorten the GOR and dump the ACCN at the end. This stops the lawsuits and keeps FSU and Clemson in the fold until 2029-31. Those years will be when the Big 10, Big 12, and now ACC contracts come up.

GOR has nothing to do with ESPN. GOR is a conference agreement that helps negotiate with ESPN.

Also, the ACCN has grown in revenue since its inception and is being paid for with a lower payout. Not really affecting ESPN. They got a pretty sweet deal on it.

 

[cashisking884]

I'm not suggesting they don't have more drawing power. I'm saying that tv ratings should not be a metric for revenue distribution for two schools that are already locked into a deal. Giving them a larger share won't convince them to stay, so why even consider that option?

In theory it could convince them to stay. At least for a little.

There’s obviously some number that FSU and Clemson has that would make it worth it to them to stay in the ACC. If you offered them 200 million a season, they obviously would drop the suit and be delighted to be in the ACC.

I don’t know what that number is. It’s higher than what they are currently getting. But is it dollar for dollar what the SEC or Big Ten is getting? Probably not. You don’t go into litigation demanding your best case scenario or trial

We don’t know if the tv viewership distribution gets FSU and Clemson close enough to what they are looking for to not make litigation worth it anymore. But it might. The ACC seems to think it might.

 

[12162022]

Nope. The idea is very obvious to anyone who understands this. The ACC needs to survive until 2036. It needs to delay its potential collapse as long as possible and hope for a landscape change. It needs for this to happen in any way possible. Florida State may suck this year but they are worth much more to the ACC than BC, Wake, Pitt, etc, and they should receive what they are worth. I dont believe in conference socialism.

But you do believe in socialism, right?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

But you do believe in socialism, right?

No. I believe in European-style capitalism. Tax the crap out of the rich so there's no poverty. And when there's no poverty, there's no crime.

 

[12162022]

No. I believe in European-style capitalism. Tax the crap out of the rich so there's no poverty. And when there's no poverty, there's no crime.

LOL. A big problem with immigrants, and too poor to provide any military or good medical response time. 800 Sq. Ft. homes/apts.
Nice to visit in about 20%.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

LOL. A big problem with immigrants, and too poor to provide any military or good medical response time. 800 Sq. Ft. homes/apts.
Nice to visit in about 20%.

No McMansions, yes. But do we all need 4000 or 5000 square foot houses? That's the trade-off basically. You have to have a smallish house but there's no crime because there's no poverty. In the US, we pay very little taxes but that trade-off is we have a ton of 3rd world poverty and thus, a high crime rate.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It’s just odd to see the ACC appearing to be the ones that are throwing around a compromise that is largely based on the terms Clemson and FSU advocated, and the immediate reaction to be, “see! We told you FSU and Clemson are just in a hopeless, loser spot.”

If certain ACC presidents are kicking around this idea, it can only be because FSU and Clemson aren’t in such a disadvantageous spot as has been alleged by some.

Actually it appears much more likely that this is what Florida State and Clemson are pitching and that the rest of the schools are not, in fact, in favor of it.

Because they are smarter than SMF.

 

[cashisking884]

Actually it appears much more likely that this is what Florida State and Clemson are pitching and that the rest of the schools are not, in fact, in favor of it.

Because they are smarter than SMF.

Yeah, FSU and Clemson apparently offered it a while before they filed suit.

But they didn’t just pitch it. It’s the ACC that is not kicking it around.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Actually it appears much more likely that this is what Florida State and Clemson are pitching and that the rest of the schools are not, in fact, in favor of it.

Because they are smarter than SMF.

You need to keep the ACC together as long as you can. The ACC Presidents are going to have to give something up (like $$$) to keep the league together.

I think the writing is on the wall as to what's going to happen. FSU, Clemson, UNC, and maybe a few more (Cal, Stan, Miami, UVa, VT, NC St) are going to go to a P2 when the GOR is up. Then the ACC and B12 will merge and form the Allstate League or Verizon League or Bucees League or whatever they want to call it. It will have regional decisions

ACC Division
Pitt
WVU
BC
UConn
Syr
VT
Duke
Wake
GT
UCF
Cin
Lou
USF

Big 12 Division
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
TCU
SMU
Baylor
Houston
Texas Tech
Tulane
Memphis

Pac 12 Division
Wash St
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford
San Diego St
Arizona
Arizona St
Utah
BYU
UNLV
Colorado St

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You need to keep the ACC together as long as you can. The ACC Presidents are going to have to give something up (like $$$) to keep the league together.

I think the writing is on the wall as to what's going to happen. FSU, Clemson, UNC, and maybe a few more (Cal, Stan, Miami, UVa, VT, NC St) are going to go to a P2 when the GOR is up. Then the ACC and B12 will merge and form the Allstate League or Verizon League or Bucees League or whatever they want to call it. It will have regional decisions

ACC Division
Pitt
WVU
BC
UConn
Syr
VT
Duke
Wake
GT
UCF
Cin
Lou
USF

Big 12 Division
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
TCU
SMU
Baylor
Houston
Texas Tech
Tulane
Memphis

Pac 12 Division
Wash St
Oregon St
Cal
Stanford
San Diego St
Arizona
Arizona St
Utah
BYU
UNLV
Colorado St

If that's what you think then you should think this idea is really dumb. You should think that the ACC should be doing something like what I said, you want some more money, sure, but instead of taking six years off the GOR add six years to it.

 

[Dointhatrag]

You honestly believe there is no crime in Europe? You are a dolt.

 

[BreakingPitt]

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You honestly believe there is no crime in Europe? You are a dolt.

Low crime and extremely low violent crime. I was exaggerating. Low poverty = low crime. This isnt a hard concept to understand

 

[cashisking884]

Low crime and extremely low violent crime. I was exaggerating. Low poverty = low crime. This isnt a hard concept to understand

people say this all the time, but isn’t it largely because America doesn’t have as many of those people living in America.

Like people love to point to how safe Japan is, and it is. But it’s not like Americans of Japanese ancestry have much of a crime rate either. America’s crime problem as it relates to Japan isn’t that structurally there is something different about America, it’s that it just doesn’t have enough Japanese living in it.

That would probably follow if you compared it to the various European countries as well. Yeah, Scandinavian countries have a low crime rate. But when you think of a criminal in America, you’re probably not thinking of Erik The Red either. The Scandinavian crime rate in America mirrors that of the Scandinavian countries in Europe.

 

[Dointhatrag]

people say this all the time, but isn’t it largely because America doesn’t have as many of those people living in America.

Like people love to point to how safe Japan is, and it is. But it’s not like Americans of Japanese ancestry have much of a crime rate either. America’s crime problem as it relates to Japan isn’t that structurally there is something different about America, it’s that it just doesn’t have enough Japanese living in it.

That would probably follow if you compared it to the various European countries as well. Yeah, Scandinavian countries have a low crime rate. But when you think of a criminal in America, you’re probably not thinking of Erik The Red either. The Scandinavian crime rate in America mirrors that of the Scandinavian countries in Europe.

Are you insinuating that crime rate is predetermined by your ethnicity? I strongly disagree with that but would say that you social and moral upbringing does play a vital role.

 

[cashisking884]

Are you insinuating that crime rate is predetermined by your ethnicity? I strongly disagree with that but would say that you social and moral upbringing does play a vital role.

I would say that genetics plays a huge role in everything. We know that for a fact. It’s only somewhat controversial within the non-scientific, and non-working class world.

I’d also say culture plays a major role too. Whether culture is downstream from genetics and so a distinction without a difference, is debatable.

But Americans have historically always had a high violent crime rate. Going back to the Victorian era where you can find national studies comparing countries. Even before this European style socialism being advocated in this thread, took over. Which was more post-WWII.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

people say this all the time, but isn’t it largely because America doesn’t have as many of those people living in America.

Like people love to point to how safe Japan is, and it is. But it’s not like Americans of Japanese ancestry have much of a crime rate either. America’s crime problem as it relates to Japan isn’t that structurally there is something different about America, it’s that it just doesn’t have enough Japanese living in it.

That would probably follow if you compared it to the various European countries as well. Yeah, Scandinavian countries have a low crime rate. But when you think of a criminal in America, you’re probably not thinking of Erik The Red either. The Scandinavian crime rate in America mirrors that of the Scandinavian countries in Europe.

I disagree with that 1 million percent. Crime is almost solely determined by income. If you wanted lower crime, then raise taxes and redistribute to the poor. This is why Europe has low crime. They dont have the 3rd world poverty we have so their poorest folks aren't incentived by engaging in a life of crime. They live much more comfortable lives than the poor in the US. Its just a cultural thing. Americans are ok with 3rd world poverty as long as they can pay low taxes and have their McMansion

 

[cashisking884]

I disagree with that 1 million percent. Crime is almost solely determined by income.

But it’s not. it correlates, but for other reasons.

Once again, what is the crime rate of poor Asian-Americans, and how does it compare to their individual counties of ancestry?

You have to have an explanation for that that simply isn’t “income.”