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Not trying to rationalize but...

Penn State was really down in scholarships and for the sake of their program they tried to offer as many kids, regardless if they were going to be starters, for numbers. So a few kids flipped with the wide-eyed promise of starting. Pitt on the other hand could only take 13-15 because of our youth and numbers. I would rather go for actual quality and fill our needs versus just grabbing numbers. There were a few I would have liked to get but in the end, it allows PN to have a full year to evaluate, replace and try and close the deal on. Other than DL and maybe DE we should be ok for this coming year. Losing kids is a more emotional thing. Having said that, my emotional response is that if I get a verbal from you and I start hearing the flipping thing I may just pull the scholarship so that I don't get stuck at the last minute. Good for the goose thing.
 
Re: Not trying to rationalize but...

Originally posted by drp1tt:
Penn State was really down in scholarships and for the sake of their program they tried to offer as many kids, regardless if they were going to be starters, for numbers. So a few kids flipped with the wide-eyed promise of starting. Pitt on the other hand could only take 13-15 because of our youth and numbers. I would rather go for actual quality and fill our needs versus just grabbing numbers. There were a few I would have liked to get but in the end, it allows PN to have a full year to evaluate, replace and try and close the deal on. Other than DL and maybe DE we should be ok for this coming year. Losing kids is a more emotional thing. Having said that, my emotional response is that if I get a verbal from you and I start hearing the flipping thing I may just pull the scholarship so that I don't get stuck at the last minute. Good for the goose thing.
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It it totally unfair to the players and the coaching staffs to make these kids wait a year sometimes to formalize their verbal commitment. If a player is sure where he wants to go, he should be allowed to sign an LOI at any time. I never understood the actual purpose of having a "signing day." If a kid knows where he wants to go in the summer or heck, during his junior year, why shouldn't he be able to sign an LOI? It stops the recruiting process for the kid and he can concentrate on school and football. And it saves a lot of time and money for the coaching staff that he signed with since they dont have to continue to recruit him and for poaching coaching staffs trying to get him to flip. Recruiting is a dirty game and they can make it a whole lot less dirty by just allowing these kids to sign at any time.
 
Re: Not trying to rationalize but...

Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:

Originally posted by drp1tt:
Penn State was really down in scholarships and for the sake of their program they tried to offer as many kids, regardless if they were going to be starters, for numbers. So a few kids flipped with the wide-eyed promise of starting. Pitt on the other hand could only take 13-15 because of our youth and numbers. I would rather go for actual quality and fill our needs versus just grabbing numbers. There were a few I would have liked to get but in the end, it allows PN to have a full year to evaluate, replace and try and close the deal on. Other than DL and maybe DE we should be ok for this coming year. Losing kids is a more emotional thing. Having said that, my emotional response is that if I get a verbal from you and I start hearing the flipping thing I may just pull the scholarship so that I don't get stuck at the last minute. Good for the goose thing.
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It it totally unfair to the players and the coaching staffs to make these kids wait a year sometimes to formalize their verbal commitment. If a player is sure where he wants to go, he should be allowed to sign an LOI at any time. I never understood the actual purpose of having a "signing day." If a kid knows where he wants to go in the summer or heck, during his junior year, why shouldn't he be able to sign an LOI? It stops the recruiting process for the kid and he can concentrate on school and football. And it saves a lot of time and money for the coaching staff that he signed with since they dont have to continue to recruit him and for poaching coaching staffs trying to get him to flip. Recruiting is a dirty game and they can make it a whole lot less dirty by just allowing these kids to sign at any time.
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Why would a kid who was waiting out for a better offer ever sign, though? Seemed clear that both Bowers and Givens wanted to go to PSU, just were waiting to be recruited by them. If they were intent on going to PSU, why would they sign with Pitt if they didn't have to?

Now that ESPN has their hooks into covering it as much as they do, I doubt NLI ever goes away. Maybe an early signing period, but as big of an event that its become now in early February, I doubt that happens.
 
Re: Not trying to rationalize but...

Originally posted by mvk112:

Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:


Originally posted by drp1tt:
Penn State was really down in scholarships and for the sake of their program they tried to offer as many kids, regardless if they were going to be starters, for numbers. So a few kids flipped with the wide-eyed promise of starting. Pitt on the other hand could only take 13-15 because of our youth and numbers. I would rather go for actual quality and fill our needs versus just grabbing numbers. There were a few I would have liked to get but in the end, it allows PN to have a full year to evaluate, replace and try and close the deal on. Other than DL and maybe DE we should be ok for this coming year. Losing kids is a more emotional thing. Having said that, my emotional response is that if I get a verbal from you and I start hearing the flipping thing I may just pull the scholarship so that I don't get stuck at the last minute. Good for the goose thing.
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It it totally unfair to the players and the coaching staffs to make these kids wait a year sometimes to formalize their verbal commitment. If a player is sure where he wants to go, he should be allowed to sign an LOI at any time. I never understood the actual purpose of having a "signing day." If a kid knows where he wants to go in the summer or heck, during his junior year, why shouldn't he be able to sign an LOI? It stops the recruiting process for the kid and he can concentrate on school and football. And it saves a lot of time and money for the coaching staff that he signed with since they dont have to continue to recruit him and for poaching coaching staffs trying to get him to flip. Recruiting is a dirty game and they can make it a whole lot less dirty by just allowing these kids to sign at any time.
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Why would a kid who was waiting out for a better offer ever sign, though? Seemed clear that both Bowers and Givens wanted to go to PSU, just were waiting to be recruited by them. If they were intent on going to PSU, why would they sign with Pitt if they didn't have to?

Now that ESPN has their hooks into covering it as much as they do, I doubt NLI ever goes away. Maybe an early signing period, but as big of an event that its become now in early February, I doubt that happens.
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The point is, they wouldn't sign with Pitt. They'd tell the Pitt coaches, "I really like your program and you're my leader right now but I'm going to wait a while to sign."

This allows the Pitt coaches to go out and recruit other players and it allows kids like Givens or Bowers to wait and hope for the offer they want without being viewed as a traitor for flipping or having to make that difficult phone call to the coach you verballed to.
 
eh

The two kids who "flipped" wanted PSU offers all along.

It wasn't a promise to start, they would have taken the PSU offers 9 months ago if they were there instead of Pitt at the time.

The one kid who I am sure was given an indication he could play early, maybe start there stuck with the University of Pittsburgh.

Not sure if they offered Tipton or not, but Duzzi clearly stated at the press conference people were making a late run at him.
 
Re: Not trying to rationalize but...


Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:
Originally posted by mvk112:

Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:


Originally posted by drp1tt:
Penn State was really down in scholarships and for the sake of their program they tried to offer as many kids, regardless if they were going to be starters, for numbers. So a few kids flipped with the wide-eyed promise of starting. Pitt on the other hand could only take 13-15 because of our youth and numbers. I would rather go for actual quality and fill our needs versus just grabbing numbers. There were a few I would have liked to get but in the end, it allows PN to have a full year to evaluate, replace and try and close the deal on. Other than DL and maybe DE we should be ok for this coming year. Losing kids is a more emotional thing. Having said that, my emotional response is that if I get a verbal from you and I start hearing the flipping thing I may just pull the scholarship so that I don't get stuck at the last minute. Good for the goose thing.
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It it totally unfair to the players and the coaching staffs to make these kids wait a year sometimes to formalize their verbal commitment. If a player is sure where he wants to go, he should be allowed to sign an LOI at any time. I never understood the actual purpose of having a "signing day." If a kid knows where he wants to go in the summer or heck, during his junior year, why shouldn't he be able to sign an LOI? It stops the recruiting process for the kid and he can concentrate on school and football. And it saves a lot of time and money for the coaching staff that he signed with since they dont have to continue to recruit him and for poaching coaching staffs trying to get him to flip. Recruiting is a dirty game and they can make it a whole lot less dirty by just allowing these kids to sign at any time.
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Why would a kid who was waiting out for a better offer ever sign, though? Seemed clear that both Bowers and Givens wanted to go to PSU, just were waiting to be recruited by them. If they were intent on going to PSU, why would they sign with Pitt if they didn't have to?

Now that ESPN has their hooks into covering it as much as they do, I doubt NLI ever goes away. Maybe an early signing period, but as big of an event that its become now in early February, I doubt that happens.
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The point is, they wouldn't sign with Pitt. They'd tell the Pitt coaches, "I really like your program and you're my leader right now but I'm going to wait a while to sign."

This allows the Pitt coaches to go out and recruit other players and it allows kids like Givens or Bowers to wait and hope for the offer they want without being viewed as a traitor for flipping or having to make that difficult phone call to the coach you verballed to.
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Exactly. It would demand greater honesty in recruiting - on both sides. No longer would a kid be permitted to keep window-shopping for another offer - knowing that he already has committed to a school. A commitment would actually mean something - for a change. (And please - spare me the "they're only kids and should be able to change their minds" rubbish. Eighteen-year olds commit to the U.S. military all the time. Do you think they get to change their minds?)

If a kid isn't 100% sure about a certain school, then don't commit to it. And if a school really wants a kid - then offer the kid now! It's ridiculous that a university is now forced into the position of spending time and resources "re-recruiting" a kid who has already "committed" to them.

The caveats are these: (1) the kid should be permitted to renege on his commitment if the head coach leaves voluntarily or is fired, and (2) the coach should not be permitted to bring the kid to his new school with him, since he recruited the kid on his former team's dime.
 
Re: Not trying to rationalize but...

Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:

Originally posted by mvk112:


Originally posted by Sean Miller Fan:



Originally posted by drp1tt:
Penn State was really down in scholarships and for the sake of their program they tried to offer as many kids, regardless if they were going to be starters, for numbers. So a few kids flipped with the wide-eyed promise of starting. Pitt on the other hand could only take 13-15 because of our youth and numbers. I would rather go for actual quality and fill our needs versus just grabbing numbers. There were a few I would have liked to get but in the end, it allows PN to have a full year to evaluate, replace and try and close the deal on. Other than DL and maybe DE we should be ok for this coming year. Losing kids is a more emotional thing. Having said that, my emotional response is that if I get a verbal from you and I start hearing the flipping thing I may just pull the scholarship so that I don't get stuck at the last minute. Good for the goose thing.
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It it totally unfair to the players and the coaching staffs to make these kids wait a year sometimes to formalize their verbal commitment. If a player is sure where he wants to go, he should be allowed to sign an LOI at any time. I never understood the actual purpose of having a "signing day." If a kid knows where he wants to go in the summer or heck, during his junior year, why shouldn't he be able to sign an LOI? It stops the recruiting process for the kid and he can concentrate on school and football. And it saves a lot of time and money for the coaching staff that he signed with since they dont have to continue to recruit him and for poaching coaching staffs trying to get him to flip. Recruiting is a dirty game and they can make it a whole lot less dirty by just allowing these kids to sign at any time.
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Why would a kid who was waiting out for a better offer ever sign, though? Seemed clear that both Bowers and Givens wanted to go to PSU, just were waiting to be recruited by them. If they were intent on going to PSU, why would they sign with Pitt if they didn't have to?

Now that ESPN has their hooks into covering it as much as they do, I doubt NLI ever goes away. Maybe an early signing period, but as big of an event that its become now in early February, I doubt that happens.
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The point is, they wouldn't sign with Pitt. They'd tell the Pitt coaches, "I really like your program and you're my leader right now but I'm going to wait a while to sign."

This allows the Pitt coaches to go out and recruit other players and it allows kids like Givens or Bowers to wait and hope for the offer they want without being viewed as a traitor for flipping or having to make that difficult phone call to the coach you verballed to.
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Exactly. It then allows Narduzzi and company to go out and recruit other players in that slot. And then when it comes down to the final signing day, maybe Pitt fills that slot with someone else, the risk here, especially in Givens case is if PSU doesn't come up with an offer, then he is either a Grey Shirt candidate or looking at a non P5 conference school.
 
Re: OT; Paterno family back in court....................

What a pathetic collection of human beings. From Cold Cuts (I mean, Scott), to Jay, to Sue (who I thought actually had some semblance of class, but I guess I was wrong), what is this going to even accomplish? This just makes people loathe them even more.

Seriously, move on with your lives. He said it himself, "I wish I'd done more."
 
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Originally posted by ERICCARTMAN:
Nothing like attempting to rewrite history
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The best thing that can happen is that the Commonwealth offer a deal to The Three Stooges where they "cop a plea" after spilling the beans re: who knew what and when did they know it.
 
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Its February 2015...how has that trial NOT begun...the Judge tossed out Spaniers request for dismissal months ago...? This is ridiculous...
 
Originally posted by DruidTM:
Follow the money......

B..b...but 409!!"...409!!!...for gawds sake 409!!!!!
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One of the main people responsible for spending my tax dollars to pay for a ridiculous lawsuit to restore wins that were already won and to allow, a non-state-run school (Penn State, like Pitt is only a state-related school and has only a loose affiliation with the Commonwealth) to play in 2 crap bowl games is a freaking criminal. Words cannot explain the ridiculousness of this whole mess. FOOTBALL ABOVE ALL ELSE!!!
 
it was low hanging fruit

Franklin did it to make a statement; those guys were easy flips since they were PSU leans anyways. If he would have flipped Whitehead, I would be concerned.
 
Zero chance Bowers, Givens, or Petrishen

were promised early playing time. None of them are ready and that's not a knock on them, it's just a fact. There are only a handful of kids in Penn State's class that may see playing time next year - Juwan Johnson, Paris Palmer, Saquon Barkley, and maybe an ATH like Brandon Polk on ST. One or two of the DBs like Reid or Taylor could see time too.

Whitehead would have definitely been a candidate to see time next year and I'm sure Franklin was telling him that too.
 
Re: it was low hanging fruit

I think you're correct about it being a Franklin ego thing - what a surprise. Franklin now saying that, as far as scholarship numbers, UPS is still low on the offensive side of the ball, but in good shape on the defensive side... Humm...

Go Pitt.
 
Re: Not trying to rationalize but...

You are rationalizing. this was a disappointing class, but realistically that was to be expected. It is not an indictment of this staff's recruiting ability. But let's not glorify this class. Whitehead is a great get, Hall is a great get, we have a few solid prospects mixed in (I like Henderson and Tipton in particular), but we need to do better next year--a lot better--both in quality and quantity. I think we will.

I also expect some of our offensive players to really thrive in the new offense. it won't just be all the running game and Boyd anymore. Looking at MSU';s offense, 8-9 guys get multiple touches every single game. In addition to the strong run game, they have big superstar type receivers, smaller, explosive, shifty slot-type receivers, average sized possession type receivers, athletic TEs, pass catching FBs, etc--and they all touch the ball a lot. The theory is, we have the weapons, let's use them all. A guy like Henderson could become or Magarrett Kings, a weapon who can be used in multiple ways. Boyd is our Tony Lippett, the superstar outside receiver who is a down field threat every play. The more we look like MSU, the better.

As much as our offense improved under Chryst, it was still a 3 man show--Conner, Boyd and Voytik. I look forward to seeing what some of our other guys can contribute, and to seeing the numbers balance out and get larger in the process.

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And what would the state have to gain by doing that?

if this case ever sees the light of a courtroom, the state is going to have to go all in and double down on the charges.

Spill the beans? If the state wants the beans, they'd better unleash hell on The Second Mile. Ever wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

It's inevitable though that the charges are going to get dropped - not because they copped a plea, but because the state would rather let the public still see guilt by letting it quietly go away instead of being acquitted in a public courtroom. They don't have enough to convict any of them and they know it. If they're going to rely on Cynthia Baldwin, good luck. She'll get skewered by cross examination.
 
I could see Petrishen playing

I liked him and think he could contribute early on special teams and maybe a fifth DB. I wanted Miller more, but Petrishen was a close second.
 
Re: OT; Paterno family back in court....................

Not sure what they want to uncover.
Joe testified at the grand jury.
Stop wasting taxpayer money.
These people are morons.





Q: Without getting into any graphic detail, what did Mr. McQueary tell you he had seen and where?


Mr. Paterno: Well, he had seen a person, an older — not an older, but a mature person who was fondling, whatever you might call it — I’m not sure what the term would be — a young boy.


Q: Did he identify who that older person was?


Mr. Paterno: Yes, a man by the name of Jerry Sandusky who had been one of our coaches, was not at the time.


Q: You’re saying that at the time this incident was reported to you, Sandusky was no longer a coach?
Mr. Paterno: No, he had retired voluntarily. I’m not sure exactly the year, but I think it was either ‘98 or ‘99.


Q: I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term that you used?


Mr. Paterno: Well, I don’t know what you would call it. Obviously, he was doing something with the youngster.


It was a sexual nature. I’m not sure exactly what it was.


I didn’t push Mike to describe exactly what it was because he was very upset. Obviously, I was in a little bit of a dilemma since Mr. Sandusky was not working for me anymore.


So I told — I didn’t go any further than that except I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster.


Q: Did Mike McQueary tell you where he had seen this inappropriate conduct take place?


Mr. Paterno: In the shower.


Q: Where was the shower?


Mr. Paterno: In the Lasch Building.


Q: Is that on the campus of Penn State University?


Mr. Paterno: It’s right on the campus.


Q: Did you tell Mike McQueary at that time what you were going to do with that information that he had provided to you?


Mr. Paterno: I don’t know whether I was specific or not. I did tell Mike, Mike, you did what was right; you told me.


Even though Jerry does not work for the football staff any longer, I would refer his concerns to the right people.


Q: You recall this taking place on a Saturday morning, the conversation with Mike?


Mr. Paterno: Yes.


Q: When did you — did you do something with that information?


Mr. Paterno: Well, I can’t be precise.


I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was a Saturday morning and I didn’t want to interfere with their weekends.


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Paterno's testimony always struck me as odd

The last line "I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was a Saturday morning and I didn't want to interfere with their weekends." How often did something happen that needed escalation by JoePa to the AD at PSU? What are the kinds of things that JoePa would "ordinarily" call people right away about??? Strange choice of words.
 
Tiger Paul, apparently you weren't in the thread on here a couple months ago when Paterno Truthers claimed a random court reporter jealous of Joe Paterno's success conspired to change his testimony to make it look like he said he knew it was sexual nature instead of asking if it was sexual nature.

No joke, that's the new company line. Paterno's whole reputation was destroyed by a bitter court reporter who changed his testimony.

What strikes me is it's been three years now. Think about the blind devotion it takes to dedicate your life to clearing the reputation of some dead football coach you didn't even know. Honestly I don't care that much about the reputation of my own dead relatives, much less some celebrity football coach. It's a fascinating study of hero worship taken to extreme levels. I think following these people around has the potential for a great documentary. Morgan Spurlock has that documentary series on CNN where he spends a week doing what others do (teaching for a week in the Bronx then a week in Finland...stuff like that). Imagine his face as he spends time with these loons.
 
Re: And what would the state have to gain by doing that?


Originally posted by Skeller:
if this case ever sees the light of a courtroom, the state is going to have to go all in and double down on the charges.

Spill the beans? If the state wants the beans, they'd better unleash hell on The Second Mile. Ever wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

It's inevitable though that the charges are going to get dropped - not because they copped a plea, but because the state would rather let the public still see guilt by letting it quietly go away instead of being acquitted in a public courtroom. They don't have enough to convict any of them and they know it. If they're going to rely on Cynthia Baldwin, good luck. She'll get skewered by cross examination.
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You may be onto something, but...if that was the case, that would run against the idea that the defendants should prefer to have their day in court ASAP if they're confident of an acquittal - no?

Instead, it appears that they are the ones who are responsible for the delays. And if they're responsible for their own (mounting) legal fees, that's another reason why they'd want this done with sooner than later.
 
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Better hope that the powers that be, like the judge and prosecuting attorney, are interested in the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There are bound to be judges and prosecutors out there that don't want the 3 stooges to spill their guts. Never know where it would lead.
 
Re: Zero chance Bowers, Givens, or Petrishen

Maybe a zero chance that they would get playing time. doesn't mean they were not promised playing time.
 
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Originally posted by wbrpanther:
Better hope that the powers that be, like the judge and prosecuting attorney, are interested in the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There are bound to be judges and prosecutors out there that don't want the 3 stooges to spill their guts. Never know where it would lead.
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Yeah....I thought about that after I posted. And Skeller's post (below) re-enforced my concerns. If there was ever a situation where the "fix" would be in, it's this one.

And besides, the rationale would be: why stir-up those old embers......especially when the healing has begun!
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But I thought psu wanted the truth?... Its just delay & Run away...

Same old garbage...different day...even the Baldwin stuff...hey I'm sure this IS nuanced...no doubt...but that doesn't mean she is wrong about Spanier either....

Bbbbbut they want the truth...the whole truth...

Duh Joe I knew....duuurrrffff....
 
MmmUrfff...Duh Joe I Knew...ummmslurp..errr duh Joe..Duh Joe

I knew....yup!!!!
 
They wanted the truth. That's why they hand-picked Freeh to investigate.

The Nits thought that Freeh was a great choice to head-up the investigation - until they discovered that he didn't play "yes man" to all things Nit. It wasn't until after they read Freeh's findings did his credentials and intentions come into question.
 
Re: And what would the state have to gain by doing that?

So everyone associated with your University is basically being framed. Just because that is the standard train of thought inside the Happy Valley bubble, out here in the real world it simply doesn't fly.

They knew this guy was a Ped. That is why he "resigned". Some kind of deal was struck to give him campus access to keep the dirty litlle secret in house. Then they get wind of him abusing a boy in the lasch showers 3 years later and it stops right there. No police involvement. No charges. Let's keep it quiet so it goes away. Let's keep the myth of Joe's Grand Experiment alive.

So the monster is allowed to prowl for another 8 years, ruining the lives of countless kids just to keep the brand pristine.

And it's the outside world who is persecuting these poor innocent men.

Well you got your Bowl games back. You got your scholarships back. And you got your "409" back. And you think you have been vindicated.

In fact the opposite is true. In the court of public opinion outside your bubble, WE ARE has taken on a whole different meaning.
 
WHAT IS UP WITH THIS THREAD...

It starts out talking about the Peds then branches out to recruiting and then talks about the prospective NCAA signing date alterations.

Totally confusing. Like 3 topics were rolled into one.
 
Take this for what it's worth...

and my statement was from the position of the State, not the defendants... but it is no secret to anyone that Tim Curley is seething to get this case out in public view. He is supremely confident in their case... but why would they not at least try to get Baldwin's testimony thrown on from the onset. This is the same lady that said Joe Paterno was never fired, but couldn't respond to his termination letter when it was put in front of her. It had her signature on it.

So yes, while the defendants are confident in their case, that should go double that the State is anxious to still make it go away - hence a Friday afternoon press release that charges are dropped.

The process has been held up by the judge's recent ruling on allowing Baldwin's statements to stand - for whatever reason, it took that guy several months to rule on it and all he really did was kick the can down the road. And I could be wrong, but I actually think PSU is still paying for their legal fees.
 
Look, all due respect...

but with that statement you have shown without a doubt that you have not read (or just chose to ignore) one single document iin the Freeh Report other than his summary and have been living on Mars since the discovery process has revealed countless documents showing collusion between Freeh, Emmert, and our own weaklings on the BoT like Ken Frazier.

He was a total yes man and if you don't belive that go do a google search on all investigations Louis Freeh has headed and find one without controversy.

The sad truth is that Penn State fans would probably not give a .02 effort if the table was turned and Pitt's leadership created a dumpster fire of BS and spineless decision making were the tables turned. The facts are out there, but you just choose to ignore them because it doesn't support your loathing of PSU.

Could just one of you comment on this - IF you were to spearhead a coverup, would you do any of the following:
1. Report the incident up the chain of command - as has been proven time and time again actually happened
2. Would the key eye witness (McQ) never be told to keep his mouth shut and forget what he saw?
3. Would Child Welfare Services and the 2nd Mile be notified of the incident - oops, they were in this case

For crying out loud, you want hypocrisy, the NCAA recently put forth guidelines for how to report sexual abuse and it matches verbatim what the PSU officials did.

So if this was a coverup, it was the worst coverup in history - everyone knew about it, including the proper authorities - yet you all and the MSM want us to believe a geriatric coach who couldn't remember the name of his starting TE in a post-game PC should be responsible for following the investigation through - even though it is against the law for him to do so? Let that last part sink in - it was against the law for him to do so, period. Any of you that work in higher education already know that though.

Seriously - you hate Penn State, I get it. You want all of this story to be true, I get that too. You hated all things Paterno, I get it. None of that bothers me at all. The issues that I have and most PSU fans like me is that you are dumb to the facts of the case and would choose to believe every sensationalized version of what happened here instead of reality.

My thoughts on this case were molded from a very good friend of mine who is on the faculty at Pitt's Law School. In short, he was disgusted by the grand jury presentment in Nov 2011 because they didn't have to fabricate witness testimony to get public sympathy on bringing charges. HIs words, not mine - AG committed GROSS prosecutorial misconduct that day and should be disbarred. You don't have to be a genius to see where his feelings come from - then again, since so many of you read the testimonies, tell me what he is referring to.

I don't care about 409, the statue, or Joe Paterno's legacy. I know enough people who played for the man and were close enough to him to know he would never harbor a pedophile or endanger the lives of children - (odd how if Paterno knew Sandusky was abusing kids he still let his own grandkids around him in a pool wouldn't you say?). What I care about is the constant regurgitation of BS that Freeh and the MSM lump in an entire fan base, alumni base, and University and tell us that we have a problem with 'culture'.

I'm from Pittsburgh - do you really think if Mario Lemieux or Chuck Knoll were in Joe Paterno's shoes that the Pittsburgh media would be screaming for their heads that they should have done more or that they had the obligation to follow through on this (where again, it was illegal for them to do so)? Give me a break. Do you think the guys have the same celebrity status in Pittsburgh that Joe had in State College? The same influence over authorities? Hey, maybe. But there is no way you could ever convince me that any of them would protect or ignore something like this. No f'n way.




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Re: OT; Paterno family back in court....................

Let them have their Joe PA statue as well... just face it backwards so he can continue to turn his back on justice and what is right. Cannot believe this man was actually an idol to people. Instead of Happy Valley it should be "The Blind Valley"
 
Re: WHAT IS UP WITH THIS THREAD...

Something got goofed up. The original OP subject line I responded to was "Not trying to rationalize, but".....

Druid's McCord post was right above that and totally separate. Somehow they melded together under Druid's OP.

Digital weirdness.
 
Re: WHAT IS UP WITH THIS THREAD...

Penn St. is an embarrassment to the rest of the good schools in the state of PA.
 
Re: Look, all due respect...

Two points: if you don't see a culture problem in Happy Valley, then you, too, are part of the problem. And second - no true football fan from Pittsburgh would spell Chuck Noll's last name with a "K".
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