We waited till RI was out of the tourney then offered Hurley. He turned us down on Thursday. Duke exited the tourney on Sunday and we hired Capel on Tuesday. Not quite as inept and chaotic as this board and the media made it seem.
So when it gets right down to it....
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But that doesn't fit the narrative people want, so.....
Would that mean you think Capel was the #2 choice? That would seem to be pretty alarming.
Your fingers might get tired with all the trolling work you have ahead of you the next few weeks. Don't underestimate how exhausting being a wet blanket can be.
I know we offered Nate Oats twice. It worked out, but it would be revisionist history to say that this worked out just like they thought it would. Capel wasn't #2 all along. This wasn't some well executed grand plan.
You "know" this? Do you work in the athletic department? Are you and Heather BFFs? Or are you relying on some BS "source"?
You can believe whatever you want. It worked out so we should all be happy in the end.
BWH - If he wasnt, he should have been. This is a much better hire than Hurley. I dont care what anyone says. He was a sucessful coach on a much higher level than Hurley.
I dont think fans realize what kind of hire this is. This was a huge get. I cant believe Lkye just started talking to Chapel. There had to be some prior communication with him. You just dont get this type of coach blindly. He has turned down other jobs.
Man I am really shocked at this.
I dont think fans realize what kind of hire this is. This was a huge get. I cant believe Lkye just started talking to Chapel. There had to be some prior communication with him. You just dont get this type of coach blindly. He has turned down other jobs.
Man I am really shocked at this.
Dodged that one. Well played.
I'm guessing that Oats, Schmidt and Joe Shit the Ragman were backups w/o firm offers. But I'm just guessing. I doubt Capel was just contacted yesterday. He saw what the Pete was like 2 years ago when we pounded the Dookies.
You know Oats was formally offered twice. Prove it. Show us a document. Don't have one? Didn't think so. Just another bullshit post.
They probably explored a few others but I like him more than a Crean or Matta. I liked Musselman and Hopkins more but we did OK.
He was successful? He inherited a program in great shape from Sampson. He had 1 really good year midway through. In his last 2 seasons he won 13 and 14 games. He was NOT successful at OU.
Hurley twice took over programs which were bottomed out and completely turned them around. They were in much better shape when he left. That is the measure of success and that is what is needed here.
But then what is in the OP isn't the real story. It wasn't waiting on Hurley and then waiting on Capel as #2. However, I'd still contend, even if that was the case, it is alarming and worrisome.
I don't think that would make sense. Hopefully he has learned a lot from K and will do a good job this time. This hire is certainly based on thinking he can do a much better job this time around.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
But, it is clear that AD Lyke had big ideas and the $$$ to make them real, and got it done.
I am going to warn people that this will enrage you enough to potentially throw your phone off the wall.
But, word is that he was interested in the opening two years ago and Barnes ... well.
Yea you got it alright. Do me a favor and put me on ignore and I'll do the same with you.
We definitely have $$ to spend. That makes a big difference.
I like the hire - Age appropriate, Head Coaching experience, good recruiter and in the ACC footprint.
One caution (read the Duke rivals board) might have been Duke's bagman. Look at the Bagley recruitment. It had all the hallmarks (reclassification, VERY late decision) of holding out for the highest bidder.
Agree 100%. The ineptitude was fueled by twitter rumors and pissed off media.
I'm actually excited about this. I have hope that we can get this turned around in a couple years. This will sell some tickets too.
Absolutely - But I do feel the Bagley recruitment will draw some scrutiny. (if it hasn't already)
I don't think Capel was #2, but I think he was in a close group following Hurley and was considered a strong candidate. Hiring what is hopefully the right coach can be a quick move at some schools and a process at others due to multiple things. Sometimes the fit is right for both sides and it goes quickly, other times one side has a stronger feel for the other and sometimes there are multiple strong candidates where you can't go wrong.
But I do not, nor have I ever believed this process was the cluster many portrayed it to be.
But I do not, nor have I ever believed this process was the cluster many portrayed it to be.
True or not, being turned down, not reaching an amenable agreement, or deciding to go in another direction doesn't mean it wasn't a well conducted search. There was obviously a cadre of good candidates that were explored, apparently some in parallel.
Few things in life work out how you'd expect. It is the preparation for dealing with things that don't go how you'd want or expect that matters.
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That is plausible - and there was a lag between the time when Hurley made his call and when Duke bowed out, so they probably had reached out, but Capel likely said he was truly interested, but would not have any serious discussions until Duke was done, so there was a dead period ...
Thank god they didn't make the final four ...
I don't think there is any question that Capel doesn't mind to get dirty. I actually welcome the change.
No DH was clear #1
Miller was #2 but could get past his issues and the lawyers (right call too)
Oats was 3rd but not worth the money he was asking (over 3 million)
Capel may have been 4th? or close to it. He probably was the #1 AC prospect in the country.
He is better than any of he retreads (Becker, Schmidt etc.), other assistants (Lange, Scherberry (sp) or Schyer)
Who would you put in front of Capel that is realistic.
HL got the best that anyone could considering the situation (Roster, money, fan base etc)
Is he a home run no but he is a damn good hire that was offer and accepted less than 72 hrs after getting exited from the tourney.
Capel built VCU before Shaka. He had an Elite 8. Great no but pretty damn good.
Hurley didn't do as well at RI as JC did at VCU.
I know it is killing you that it worked out well and there is reason for the time frame. You just can't stand that all you bolvated hyperbole on here the last weeks was completely off base.
At this point, who cares. It worked out in the end. It's better to be lucky than good.
Zion Williamson as well. I'm surprised (and frankly happy) we went with someone who'll do what's necessary in today's climate to get good players.
So in your mind, you think I should post documents? You're a moron.
It's also better to have an AD that more of the fan base than not can rally behind, regardless of whether it is all luck.
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."
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