So when it gets right down to it....
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You think Capel did a better job at VCU than Hurley did at URI and I'm the one misappropriating facts?
Let's compare.
Capel took over a program that was 21-11 the previous season. He was there 4 years and improved upon that once, when he also had his one NCAAT appearance and 0 wins. His record his last year was worse than the record the year before he got there.
Hurley took over a program that was 7-24 the previous season. He was there 6 seasons and improved upon that every single year. He went to the NCAAT twice and won two NCAAT games. His record was almost 4 times better than the record the year before he got there.
You are the one who is way off base.
Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. Whether this was step by step following Lyke's plan or she was throwing shtt at the wall and hoping it would stick, is really irrelevant. We got a much better coach this time around than when Barnes got "his man" ASAP.
All of the hand wringing the last couple weeks has been for naught. Either you get someone good or you don't. I couldn't care less if it takes 15 minutes or 15 days.
Correct. It tells you more about Lyke, but it didn't mean we couldn't get a coach who could ultimately have success.
Jesus Christ can we go 2 ****ing hours without arguing?
Some of you just nitpick everything
Some of you just nitpick everything
What does it say about her? She hired an extremely qualified candidate. I would hope he's not making nearly the $3M+ that they offered Hurley, so hopefully they dump it all on some ace recruiters.
if his "experience" here is one of losing or mediocrity there will be no going back and Duke will go with the guy who wears the lounge lizard turtlenecks at Notre Dame to fulfill their "keep it in the family" succession plan.
Duke's got a couple of irons in the fire as far as possible in-house successors.
Doesn't matter. In just 2 years our program was thoroughly destroyed and in absolute shambles. We need someone to put the pieces back together. Hire the best people you can. Problems of retention are good future problems to have. Let's hope we have to worry about that.
Amen, if he gets hired away, chances are he did a great job here. Can't be scared of that. Not in the position this program is in right now.
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Interesting timing on this one. Jeff Capel said today that he’s not concerned about the ongoing FBI investigation with regards to any players he recruited at Duke.
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investigative report claims Marvin Bagley's family went from bankrupt with family income of $44K to living in $750K+ mansion after Nike started sponsoring his AAU team. http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/page/the_loyalty_game.html …
12:57 PM - 28 Mar 2018
bw - I for one trust in and believe in your posts and when you discuss sources. History has proven you right more often than not. Please continue to post any info you have - I think most of the regulars on this board know you and know what you've brought to the table before.
How is that calling Lyke a liar? Capel said he didn't hear from Lyke until Thursday.
That isn't a Duke/Capel issue. That is an AAU/Nike issue. Nike was paying him tons and tons of money to run an AAU team, which was no doubt all about delivering his son as a client when he goes pro. That isn't stopping any time soon.
Because she literally said she extended two offers today.
Hurley and Capel
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...ocial&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1522262824
I find her credible.
Certainly more credible than a poster.
Of course they do. The sun rises and sets on Duke, no? In actuality 2 other ex Duke players will now occupy the top seats next to Coach K. I am thinking Capel will be a long term guy here while one of about a dozen other viable candidates will be the next Duke coach.
This is literally happening with every AAU coach AND he (obviously) has a pre-existing relationship with his Dad, so proving Nike did it for the recruit and nothing else is almost impossible. Duke coaches would have no involvement and would not be punished unless they set something up and they pretty clearly did not. The NCAA would essentially have to pursue every single AAU team/recruit, unless they uncovered a smoking gun in a particular case. The Oregonian report certainly doesn't do that. Maybe there is FBI wiretaps which do, but there is nothing inherently illegal about the AAU/sponsor relationship.
I think Brey might be a little older than what Duke is looking for when Coach K retires.
Come on. You have been around long enough to understand you don't actually offer folks the job until you have a deal. They obviously thought they had a deal with Hurley. They didn't end up getting him, but there was too much public smoke to really deny it. If that wouldn't have been public she wouldn't have admitted that. You know that.
I actually don’t know that,
As I have no reason to doubt her credibility.
Hence, why I asked the poster if he was calling her a liar.
Then you butted in to insert your two cents while not actually saying anything.
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At the end of the day, AD Lyke hired the coach who she thought would get us back to the glory years instead of being a laughingstock. Rome was not built on a day. I hope we can look back on this in a couple years with a rocking Pete and a positive buzz about the team.
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And I'd love to see the legal pad listing all the plusses and minuses and scribbles for each. I wouldn't be surprised if it were close, and it's likely Capel had stronger scores than Hurley in some categories. In the end it really is a crapshoot regarding how a young coach will fit your program. Time will tell.
I think he means Capel was no higher than #2. We don't know all the others that turned Pitt down.
Then Capel and Lyke were lying. They both said contact was made to him last Thursday; right after Hurley turned them down.
Did they offer Oats while waiting for Hurley?
So? There were no scholarship reductions or program penalties. There were when Capel left, though, because of major violations by his assistant.
Alarming and worrisome to whom? It ended up a smash hit. If it weren't for the negative, overreactive fanbase, the search would not have been a story. Do you think every other P5 search goes perfectly smooth, and ends up a splash? Pitt should thank it's lucky stars that Heather Lyke is as confident and competent as she is, or Pitt fans could be in the same position as they were 2 years ago, only with a program starting with a much lower foundation.
What are the terms of the contract? For starters, a 7 year contract is stupid. He should have been given a 5 year contract. Coaching and player development is not Capel's strong suit. Recruiting is where he earns his keep. If he isn't winning by year 4, its obviously not going to work out.
6 or 7 Years seem to be the norm based on what Mack and Hurley got. Not coming for less and not sure who would.
If you only get 5 years, then you need an extension after the first season. Have to have more than 4 years or the competition uses it against you. "He won't be there for your entire career." That's why some bad coaches get a year or two tacked on. For recruiting purposes.
That's more of a football thing. I don't think many basketball bluechippers think they themselves will be around for four years.
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