Soccer rankings
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Men:
1. ND
5. UNC
8. Louisville
9. UVA
17. Syracuse
21. Wake
25. Duke
RV: BC
7 of 12 ACC schools ranked, 8th receiving votes (not Pitt, CU, VT, and NCSU)
Other conferences: Pac12 (4), Big10 (3), BigEast (3), CUSA (1), American East (1), Big South (1), Big West (1), Colonial (1), A10 (1), American (1), Patriot League (1)
Women:
2. UVA
3. VT
5. FSU
10. UNC
14. ND
19. BC
21. Clemson
25. Duke
8 of 14 ACC schools ranked (not: Pitt, SU, UL, Miami, NCSU, Wake)
Other conferences: Pac12 (4), SEC (4), Big12 (3), Big10 (3), West Coast (2), Big East (1)
Pitt, NCSU and Miami (women only) are the only ACC schools fielding soccer teams without a ranking. Hopefully, that is corrected sooner than later for Pitt.
1. ND
5. UNC
8. Louisville
9. UVA
17. Syracuse
21. Wake
25. Duke
RV: BC
7 of 12 ACC schools ranked, 8th receiving votes (not Pitt, CU, VT, and NCSU)
Other conferences: Pac12 (4), Big10 (3), BigEast (3), CUSA (1), American East (1), Big South (1), Big West (1), Colonial (1), A10 (1), American (1), Patriot League (1)
Women:
2. UVA
3. VT
5. FSU
10. UNC
14. ND
19. BC
21. Clemson
25. Duke
8 of 14 ACC schools ranked (not: Pitt, SU, UL, Miami, NCSU, Wake)
Other conferences: Pac12 (4), SEC (4), Big12 (3), Big10 (3), West Coast (2), Big East (1)
Pitt, NCSU and Miami (women only) are the only ACC schools fielding soccer teams without a ranking. Hopefully, that is corrected sooner than later for Pitt.
It is when you have soccer powers like MD, UVA, Duke, UNC, etc. in that area and have good weather. Obviously, Pitt can do much better than we have done, but trying to compete with those other ACC teams will be most difficult unless we hire a big time expensive coach. Someone that has contacts with the national teams. That will not happen at Pitt. I have had experience with soccer recruiting. It is not like football and b-ball.
This post was edited on 9/11 7:44 AM by thom67
This post was edited on 9/11 7:45 AM by thom67
This post was edited on 9/11 7:44 AM by thom67
This post was edited on 9/11 7:45 AM by thom67
Pitt's olympic sports exist for 2 reasons:
1. To meet the minimum NCAA requirements so the football and basketball teams can play in Division 1.
2. To meet Title IX requirements on the women's side.
Pitt has these teams quite simply for the sake of having the teams. They do not spend money and do not care about winning. They spend every dollar they can on football and basketball and leave these other programs fend for themselves barely even caring. And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that.
I'd love to have great soccer and baseball programs but I wouldnt sacrifice a dollar from football and basketball to do it.
While there has been truth behind some of those statements, it is inaccurate to state they only exist to maintain D1 requirements. All of the men's sports have origins that date well before NCAA minimum sports number requirements and Pitt has always carried more men's sports than it would have to. Currently Pitt has 9 men's sports, but it would needs only 6 to meet D1 minimums. For a comparison of schools with less, Syracuse, for example, sponsors only 7 NCAA sports (+non NCAA men's rowing). Vanderbilt only 6.
It also ignores the last decade of systematic facility overhauls, improvements, and additions that were specifically for Olympic sports. These includes a major addition to and renovations of Fitzgerald Field House including the creation of an training facility specifically for Olympic sports, renovation of the wrestling room, creation of the gymnastics training facility in Trees Hall, a major overhaul of Trees Pool, and of course, the construction of the Petersen Sports Complex.
What is absolutely true that these sports had been largely neglected for decades prior and they have absolutely been relegated to the back of the line for financial support because football and basketball have been made clear priorities, as they should have, since their health is directly related to the financial wellbeing of the athletic department as a whole; an athletic department that has also had limited resources compared to many peers. That obviously led to the issue of not fielding a maximum number of allowable NCAA scholarships for most of the Olympic sports for much of the last 30 years, a condition that was shared by many former Big East members. One could even argue that condition was compounded by the dilution of resources among more olympic sports than the minimum that was actually required to be fielded at Pitt. However, that obviously is now being rectified with new ACC revenue that has created additional opportunities for investment in these sports. It is also important to correct, since almost all ACC teams that Pitt is now competing against are fully funded.
It is also true that men's gymnastics and men's tennis were dropped, and women's soccer and softball were added specifically to address Title IX issues, which is still a borderline issue at Pitt. Honestly, Pitt has done a decent job not allowing the loss of additional men's sports such as track, which has disappeared precipitously elsewhere. Some of these sports at Pitt have been maintained largely out of a sense of tradition.
Things are changing with the new conference revenue which allows them to invest more in Olympic sports. There is still work to be done. But Pitt is now competing on a more even footing with nationally relevant olympic sports programs than it has in decades.
This post was edited on 9/11 4:57 PM by CrazyPaco
It won't happen on the men's side until there is a transition there. That is obvious. Everyone knows that. And they likely have no stomach to push out Lux before he is ready, and I'm not sure he hasn't earned that right. But we really won't know anything until that transition occurs.
However, I'm not willing to dismiss Miller's ability to pull up the women's program to a level that can be competitive. His last class was ranked 14th by BigSoccer, which is inarguably by far the best recruiting class Pitt has ever had. There's absolutely no reason it can't be done looking at what other northern schools have accomplished. The cache of being in the ACC is only going to help as well. The problem is the slugfest of trying to work your way up those standings, which is a daunting proposition. The future is bright on the women's side.
Got to see VT vs Clemson women last night. VT women are now 2nd in the country. Beat Clemson 2-0 and a player down early in second half due to a red card.
If Pitt women are going to compete nationally they've got to make big gains quickly. MD, VT, UVA, UNC, FSU, are all extremely solid programs. Winning the ACC for Pitt women might be next to impossible, but being competitive can still lead to big things. Being associated with the ACC is huge, but it will take some serious recruiting to move up the rankings in the ACC.
Western PA soccer is improving, and that should help Pitt. VA soccer, mostly northern VA is very good. VT consists primarily of VA soccer players.
I'd love to see Pitt women get mentioned in that list .of schools.
If Pitt women are going to compete nationally they've got to make big gains quickly. MD, VT, UVA, UNC, FSU, are all extremely solid programs. Winning the ACC for Pitt women might be next to impossible, but being competitive can still lead to big things. Being associated with the ACC is huge, but it will take some serious recruiting to move up the rankings in the ACC.
Western PA soccer is improving, and that should help Pitt. VA soccer, mostly northern VA is very good. VT consists primarily of VA soccer players.
I'd love to see Pitt women get mentioned in that list .of schools.
Pitt should try harder to make soccer recruiting inroads in Northern VA--maybe hire an assistant coach well known in Nortgern, VA.
You can get from the VA suburbs of DC tp Pitt by car in the same (actually maybe less) time than it takes to drive to Virginia Tech. So if you are on a soccer ship it would be no harder for mom and dad to come watch you play at Pitt than at Virginia Tech. Of course, it's not the same comparison with UVA. Charlttesville would only be about 2 hours away vs about 4-4:30..
You can get from the VA suburbs of DC tp Pitt by car in the same (actually maybe less) time than it takes to drive to Virginia Tech. So if you are on a soccer ship it would be no harder for mom and dad to come watch you play at Pitt than at Virginia Tech. Of course, it's not the same comparison with UVA. Charlttesville would only be about 2 hours away vs about 4-4:30..
If Pitt got the top 2-3 players on every girls Beadling soccer team locally, they'd be much better off. These Beadling teams are winning regional championships and beating the top teams from Northern VA, etc. Sure the talent pool in VA is higher overall, but If Pitt built a wall around Western PA and kept the top 3 players here annually, things would already be different. I have heard that the recruiting priorities of this staff are way out of whack. Just last year, one player went to Virginia and one went to Penn St. These programs are light years ahead of ours, yet these two players are logging significant minutes and scoring goals as freshman. Yet this staff would rather offer reaches from Canada than offer these local players. Keep the local elite talent
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If the Pirates can make the playoffs again, PITT men's soccer can win again too! They've already had a conference tie this year, things are moving in the right direction!
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