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Some Pitt Stadium attendance numbers

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I was curious to look at some attendance figures at games at Pitt Stadium and as always been stated, Notre Dame, Penn State and West Virginia consistently drew very well. The only outliers to that was when Pitt had a bad team and the weather was bad. No sh*t Sherlock I get that.

In ’84 when Pitt went 3-7-1, the attendance against BYU was only 40,263 and against Oklahoma only 40,075. Both those games were in September.

In ’94, with Pitt having a third consecutive three-win season, against WVU the attendance was 38,293, and against Texas only 32,337. In ’97 when Pitt went 4-7 that year, the attendance for the Notre Dame game was 47,306.

In ’92 a year Pitt went 3-9 and with rain that day, the attendance for the West Virginia game was 41,723. In ’93, Pitt went 3-9 and against Ohio State on a rainy day, the attendance was 41,511. As you can see, if Pitt and the weather are both bad, the attendance reflected that as well. Fair weather fans, literally.

Typically however, against Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State and West Virginia the attendance ranged anywhere from 52,155 (Notre Dame in ’92) to 60,283 (Penn State in ’83).

For those who will say well we draw more at Heinz Field, perhaps a truer measure is percentage of capacity filled. Pitt Stadium’s capacity was listed at 56,500 yet there were games where the attendance exceeded that. How many games has the attendance exceeded capacity at Heinz Field? If ever? Will anyone answer that question?

When Pitt had good to very good teams, even against some lesser opponents, Pitt still drew pretty well despite the poor access and egress, no parking, lousy metal bleacher seating, minimal concessions, old bathrooms and outdated facilities at old Pitt Stadium. Of course, there were some lesser opponents when the crowd wasn’t great and I didn’t bother to check the weather on those but here are some attendance figures against lesser teams that I thought were respectable:

’76 Pitt 12-0 – Syracuse 50,399
’81 Pitt 11-1 – Syracuse 50,330, Army 53,225
’82 Pitt 9-3 – Temple 57,250, Louisville 53,017, Rutgers 46,728
’83 Pitt 9-3 – Syracuse 52,374
’86 Pitt 5-5-1 – Maryland 48,120, Navy 45,345
’87 Pitt 8-4 – Temple 45,387, Boston College 46,238
’89 Pitt 8-3-1 – Navy 50,467

Some of you remember and complain that Pitt Stadium that had terrible access, no parking, lousy metal bleacher seats, few concession stands, outdated everything, etc. In looking at those numbers from the ’86-’89 Pitt years when Pitt was winning five to eight games like they are now, if Pitt played those same schools at Heinz Field present-day, I don’t think the attendance would be greater at Heinz Field and most certainly the percentage of capacity would have been greater at that old falling apart on-campus stadium that had terrible access, no parking, few concessions, lousy metal bleacher seats, outdated everything, etc., etc.

One thing that seemed noticeable in looking at game attendance figures was if Pitt played at home and the game was televised, that impacted attendance negatively, particularly more so against lesser opponents.

Just wanted to throw that out there. Confirms the obvious yes, but in some cases it went against the thinking of what many hold on to as true and want to believe.

Just as a side note, in 1988, three of the first five games of the season saw Pitt host: #18 Ohio State, #11 West Virginia and #5 Notre Dame. How’s that for an early slate of home games!

The sources for the attendance figures were Wikipedia and wunderground.com for the weather.
 
I don't think you can put much weight on reported attendance figures for Pitt games at Heinz Field. Not sure how it was done at Pitt stadium but it is clear "actual butts in the seats" are not how the attendance figures are derived for Pitt's games at Heinz Field.
 
How many games has the attendance exceeded capacity at Heinz Field? ...I'd guess Penn State last year. Not sure what point you are trying to make..One would think the top 5 Pitt attendance games ever were at Heinz so I'm not sure what over-capacity has to do with anything.
 
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Pitt attendance is pretty static at around 40K with the margin over that being what the opponent brings and the margin under being what weather or a losing team take away. Its been that way since the early 70's. It will be that way for the next 40 years. On campus might dampen the weather and/or losing effects a tad with more students and Oaklanders walking up and a smaller stadium will dampen the largest crowds where teams usually bring large numbers with them. Its likely a wash in terms of attendance. Possibly a smaller stadium would allow Pitt to raise prices if they build small enough to create some scarcity.
 
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The lowest attended game that I ever attended was the Nebraska flood game at Heinz. Only about 10K and over half were Nebraska fans. And there literally (the actual definition of the word literally) were only 10K there at most. I sat in the upper deck behind the Pitt bench. I remember counting less than 200 fans in the upper deck on the Nebraska side and that side had more fans than my side.
 
Random trivia, Three River Stadium actually had our largest average attendance post 1990:

Heinz Field
41,788

Pitt Stadium
45,417

Three Rivers Stadium
49,741

This is misleading though because we had PSU (the 12-0 game) AND WVU at home that year.
 
Most empty stadium I ever experienced was Pitt at Temple, I think the year was 2000. Maybe 8,000 fans in Veterans stadium at max, and it cleared out before the end of the game and might have had a couple thousand by the end.

Capacity was 66,000.
 
Pitt drew better in the late 70s and early 80s in comparison to other division one programs than we have at Heinz. The University failed to properly invest in the stadium and program, and we are still paying the penalty to this day. It's not the fault of the fans, it's the fault of Pitt for repeatedly dropping the ball. The only way to correct this issue is consistency... for a period of at least 20 years. That doesn't mean having winning seasons every year, but it does mean making a commitment to the program by keeping coaches, listening to the fans, supporting the program, etc. Our issue with attendance has less to do with the size of the student body, size of the alumni base, the number of games won, the "cheap " fans, etc and more to do with administrative decisions made.
 
Pitt drew better in the late 70s and early 80s in comparison to other division one programs than we have at Heinz.

We didn't even sell out our all games during national title hunts..

Also in 1970 (there is no census in 1976 obviously), the city had 520,000 people compared to 303,000 now. The metro area has shrunk over the same time frame from 2.8 million to 2.3 million.

Obviously it didn't help that we made so many bad decisions about coaches but mostly our reality is going to be our reality, our attendance is steady and fairy low. You want an administration smart and lucky enough to win despite this.
 
Pitt drew better in the late 70s and early 80s in comparison to other division one programs than we have at Heinz. The University failed to properly invest in the stadium and program, and we are still paying the penalty to this day. It's not the fault of the fans, it's the fault of Pitt for repeatedly dropping the ball. The only way to correct this issue is consistency... for a period of at least 20 years. That doesn't mean having winning seasons every year, but it does mean making a commitment to the program by keeping coaches, listening to the fans, supporting the program, etc. Our issue with attendance has less to do with the size of the student body, size of the alumni base, the number of games won, the "cheap " fans, etc and more to do with administrative decisions made.
Pitt drew better in the late 70s and early 80s in comparison to other division one programs than we have at Heinz...National Champions and 11 eleven win seasons will do that... Not exactly sure what you mean by "in comparison". In comparison to schools with the same or slightly less levels of success on the field Pitt , as usual, drew much less.
 
The lowest attended game that I ever attended was the Nebraska flood game at Heinz. Only about 10K and over half were Nebraska fans. And there literally (the actual definition of the word literally) were only 10K there at most. I sat in the upper deck behind the Pitt bench. I remember counting less than 200 fans in the upper deck on the Nebraska side and that side had more fans than my side.
That game was surreal, the Point was flooded, entire docks of boats were floating by and smashing into trees and Walt Harris and Bill Callahan both seemed to be trying to lose the game on purpose.
 
We didn't even sell out our all games during national title hunts..

Also in 1970 (there is no census in 1976 obviously), the city had 520,000 people compared to 303,000 now. The metro area has shrunk over the same time frame from 2.8 million to 2.3 million.

Obviously it didn't help that we made so many bad decisions about coaches but mostly our reality is going to be our reality, our attendance is steady and fairy low. You want an administration smart and lucky enough to win despite this.

The population isn't a good argument, in my opinion. For one, Allegheny County's population remained fairly steady.Many people that 'left' the city still stayed close. But, most colleges are in towns with a small population, and people find their way back for games. That's because their university didn't completely drop the ball every few years.
 
The population isn't a good argument, in my opinion. For one, Allegheny County's population remained fairly steady.Many people that 'left' the city still stayed close. But, most colleges are in towns with a small population, and people find their way back for games. That's because their university didn't completely drop the ball every few years.

The metro area population matters to us because our fan base isn't that of a rural state school with a huge campus of football-crazed students and caravans of rural fans making a day of the game. The Steelers have the later cornered for us.
 
The metro area population matters to us because our fan base isn't that of a rural state school with a huge campus of football-crazed students and caravans of rural fans making a day of the game. The Steelers have the later cornered for us.

I don't agree. I think Pitt failed to properly cultivate their fans and alums (and students). There is a constant theme of blame. Blame the "cheap" fans. Blame the Steelers, Blame the population. Blame the size of the student body. Blame everything under the sun except where the primary blame should reside... which is on Pitt. We have gone 36 seasons without winning 10 more more regular season games. (And only one of those seasons saw 10 wins with a bowl victory.) Then we fired that coach and created another mess. Followed that up with another mess. Then saw a mess on top of that mess. There has to be high levels of incompetence to allow that to happen.
 
The lowest attended game that I ever attended was the Nebraska flood game at Heinz. Only about 10K and over half were Nebraska fans. And there literally (the actual definition of the word literally) were only 10K there at most. I sat in the upper deck behind the Pitt bench. I remember counting less than 200 fans in the upper deck on the Nebraska side and that side had more fans than my side.
there was a Halloween game in 96, BC I think, rumor allegations of BC throwing game btw but that game, there were very few people there. I watched it on tv, I was out of state, it looked bad.

the UVA game this year was as bad a crowd as I've ever seen in person..
 
I don't agree. I think Pitt failed to properly cultivate their fans and alums (and students). There is a constant theme of blame. Blame the "cheap" fans. Blame the Steelers, Blame the population. Blame the size of the student body. Blame everything under the sun except where the primary blame should reside... which is on Pitt. We have gone 36 seasons without winning 10 more more regular season games. (And only one of those seasons saw 10 wins with a bowl victory.) Then we fired that coach and created another mess. Followed that up with another mess. Then saw a mess on top of that mess. There has to be high levels of incompetence to allow that to happen.

If Pitt had a great record of hiring head coaches and then not firing them too easily, what would our attendance be? An extra 6,000 a game? I'm all for it. But it wouldn't be drastically that different.
 
The lowest attended game that I ever attended was the Nebraska flood game at Heinz. Only about 10K and over half were Nebraska fans. And there literally (the actual definition of the word literally) were only 10K there at most. I sat in the upper deck behind the Pitt bench. I remember counting less than 200 fans in the upper deck on the Nebraska side and that side had more fans than my side.

That was a surreal game indeed. The fans in seats didn't start out nearly as bad as it ended. The sun was brutal that game and my face got absolutely fried to add injury to insult of the painful loss. The entire game is on YouTube and you can see the crowd getting more and more scarce throughout the game with some great blimp shots of the flooding and run away boats.

Check out the shrinking crowd...
Pause 1st quarter at 35:14
Pause Harris Halftime speech at 1:15:43
Pause 3rd quarter at 1:36:20
Pause 4th quarter at 2:21:45

 
I think Delsardo gets pushed in the huddle by a teammate in that game before the last play, which was a debacle of an attempt. Awful memories all around!
 
I don't agree. I think Pitt failed to properly cultivate their fans and alums (and students). There is a constant theme of blame. Blame the "cheap" fans. Blame the Steelers, Blame the population. Blame the size of the student body. Blame everything under the sun except where the primary blame should reside... which is on Pitt. We have gone 36 seasons without winning 10 more more regular season games. (And only one of those seasons saw 10 wins with a bowl victory.) Then we fired that coach and created another mess. Followed that up with another mess. Then saw a mess on top of that mess. There has to be high levels of incompetence to allow that to happen.
dude, I was there in the 70's and early 80's...winning did little for attendance. the only difference was that gray bleachers showed much less than yellow seats.....urban school, lower attendance. Same mostly everywhere and only goes up a tad when winning. .usually better than average tv numbers though.
 
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That was a surreal game indeed. The fans in seats didn't start out nearly as bad as it ended. The sun was brutal that game and my face got absolutely fried to add injury to insult of the painful loss. The entire game is on YouTube and you can see the crowd getting more and more scarce throughout the game with some great blimp shots of the flooding and run away boats.

Check out the shrinking crowd...
Pause 1st quarter at 35:14
Pause Harris Halftime speech at 1:15:43
Pause 3rd quarter at 1:36:20
Pause 4th quarter at 2:21:45

that heat that day was brutal. I reluctantly admit I watched the 4th quarter, and a near comeback, in the comfy confines of Fatheads bar in south side.. yeah I know, im soft..
 
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dude, I was there in the 70's and early 80's...winning did little for attendance. the only difference was that gray bleachers showed much less than yellow seats.....urban school, lower attendance. Same mostly everywhere and only goes up a tad when winning. .usually better than average tv numbers though.

I have to disagree again. Pitt's winning led them to have higher attendance relative to the landscape compared to attendance now. There was a thread about this a couple of weeks ago with a good amount of supporting data. We simply failed to make the right decisions when things were going well, and unbelievably failed to make many of the right decisions over and over again since. Consistent attendance isn't just a result of winning big every year. Most teams can't do that. It's a result of the school supporting the program for a long period of time. Pitt has not done this. The results continue to show. You simply can't make the number of poor, poor decisions, and get caught in the number of clusters that Pitt has found itself in these past 30+ years, and expect good results from the customer.

It would be like if Samsung followed up their debacle with the phone catching fire, with another phone that caught fire, and then followed that up with a phone that caught fire, let their top engineers go to Apple and Google, replaced them with cheap alternatives, not upgrade their production facilities, move said production process to an Amazon facility, brought back a former top engineer who was no longer good at his job, etc, etc, etc and then blamed the customers for choosing a different product.
 
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I have to disagree again. Pitt's winning led them to have higher attendance relative to the landscape compared to attendance now. There was a thread about this a couple of weeks ago with a good amount of supporting data. We simply failed to make the right decisions when things were going well, and unbelievably failed to make many of the right decisions over and over again since. Consistent attendance isn't just a result of winning big every year. Most teams can't do that. It's a result of the school supporting the program for a long period of time. Pitt has not done this. The results continue to show.

You mean the data that showed Pitt's attendance before Jackie Sherril left was like an extra few thousand fans a game? Ok that would be great, but it wouldn't make Heinz field feel all that differently except when the ACC title is on the line or maybe when PSU or WVU is in town, which is "the same as it ever was".

In 1976, building towards a national title with maybe the most exciting player in Panthers history getting a Heisman trophy, here were some of our attendance numbers:
- 38,500 Temple
- 34,000 Louisville
- 42,000 Miami FL
- 50,000 Syracuse
- 45,000 Army
- 56,500 WVU (many of them Hoopies I'd assume)
- 50,250 (PSU, at three rivers instead of Pitt Stadium)

In 1980 as pre-season #3, the most talented roster in the nation, and with now several years of national relevance, how did we do in attendance? With only five home games to fill up?
- 44,000 BC
- 47,000 Temple
- 47,000 Maryland
- 55,000 WVU (so...less than four years ago)
- 47,000 Louisville (an improvement)

General football attendance has also declined the last several years across the country and I'm not sure at Pitt its declined any faster? Our drop seems about what you'd expect given football controversies, population decline, etc. -- and it's really not that different than from our modern golden era attendance.

We should all want our administration to stop making bizarre coaching decisions. Maybe for now we have. But the attendance uptick if Narduzzi has a very good run is likely in the four digits per game level.
 
You mean the data that showed Pitt's attendance before Jackie Sherril left was like an extra few thousand fans a game? Ok that would be great, but it wouldn't make Heinz field feel all that differently except when the ACC title is on the line or maybe when PSU or WVU is in town, which is "the same as it ever was".

In 1976, building towards a national title with maybe the most exciting player in Panthers history getting a Heisman trophy, here were some of our attendance numbers:
- 38,500 Temple
- 34,000 Louisville
- 42,000 Miami FL
- 50,000 Syracuse
- 45,000 Army
- 56,500 WVU (many of them Hoopies I'd assume)
- 50,250 (PSU, at three rivers instead of Pitt Stadium)

In 1980 as pre-season #3, the most talented roster in the nation, and with now several years of national relevance, how did we do in attendance? With only five home games to fill up?
- 44,000 BC
- 47,000 Temple
- 47,000 Maryland
- 55,000 WVU (so...less than four years ago)
- 47,000 Louisville (an improvement)

General football attendance has also declined the last several years across the country and I'm not sure at Pitt its declined any faster? Our drop seems about what you'd expect given football controversies, population decline, etc. -- and it's really not that different than from our modern golden era attendance.

We should all want our administration to stop making bizarre coaching decisions. Maybe for now we have. But the attendance uptick if Narduzzi has a very good run is likely in the four digits per game level.

This thread

It shows that Pitt's attendance from 76-81 was 8% higher vs. the national average (adjusted down from 30% after CrazyPaco saw it and asked him to remove certain programs from the numbers) compared to 1% higher at Heinz from 2001-2009. While other programs grew their attendance, Pitt allowed it to decline.
 
I have to disagree again. Pitt's winning led them to have higher attendance relative to the landscape compared to attendance now. There was a thread about this a couple of weeks ago with a good amount of supporting data. We simply failed to make the right decisions when things were going well, and unbelievably failed to make many of the right decisions over and over again since. Consistent attendance isn't just a result of winning big every year. Most teams can't do that. It's a result of the school supporting the program for a long period of time. Pitt has not done this. The results continue to show. You simply can't make the number of poor, poor decisions, and get caught in the number of clusters that Pitt has found itself in these past 30+ years, and expect good results from the customer.

It would be like if Samsung followed up their debacle with the phone catching fire, with another phone that caught fire, and then followed that up with a phone that caught fire, let their top engineers go to Apple and Google, replaced them with cheap alternatives, not upgrade their production facilities, move said production process to an Amazon facility, brought back a former top engineer who was no longer good at his job, etc, etc, etc and then blamed the customers for choosing a different product.
like I said, I was there...76 national championship followed by early 80's consistent 11 win teams...shchitty attendance. Other than winning, what the hell "decisions" were needed to put butts in the seats, free sodas maybe? If pitt has 11 win seasons for the next three years their totrals will mirror those of the early 80's. no more no less, nature of the city school beast....ask Miami. Plenty of empty seats in the Orange Bowl when they were winning national championships..
 
like I said, I was there...76 national championship followed by early 80's consistent 11 win teams...shchitty attendance. Other than winning, what the hell "decisions" were needed to put butts in the seats, free sodas maybe? If pitt has 11 win seasons for the next three years their totrals will mirror those of the early 80's. no more no less, nature of the city school beast....ask Miami. Plenty of empty seats in the Orange Bowl when they were winning national championships..

It was still better compared to the national average, and much higher if including the FBS level schools who were at the same level during those years. The main point is that it is a myth that Pitt Stadium had terrible attendance in the good years. At least not compared to the national averages. The attendance was ok until Pitt continually dropped the ball, then kicked fans in the nuts, threw them on the ground and kick them repeatedly.
 
Most empty stadium I ever experienced was Pitt at Temple, I think the year was 2000. Maybe 8,000 fans in Veterans stadium at max, and it cleared out before the end of the game and might have had a couple thousand by the end.

Capacity was 66,000.
I was at a Temple-Pitt game in the early 90's that had fewer than 5000 in attendance. On the following Monday, I saw Temple President Peter Liacouris (who I knew) and Pitt President, Dennis O'Connor in the rotunda of the PA Capitol Building. I walked over to speak with them and mentioned attending the game. Liacouris looked me and then to O'Connor and quipped, "So J----- was the other guy there!"
 
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