Steelers send next years
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I'd say a 1st is an overpay but given the way they draft the secondary, probably not.
Guy is a locker room cancer and went on record saying Roethlisberger sucks. Let someone else take on that problem.
BOLD move considering if they go 6-10, that’s a top ten pick in a year loaded with quarterback prospects. Seems like they’re doubling down on Rudolph.
Fitzpatrick would be a top ten pick in most drafts. We have him for four years now and he’s a proven NFL talent. And we can’t draft the defensive side of the ball very well (Artie burns, Sean Davis, bud Dupree, Jarvis Jones, etc).
If Rudolph proves to be a good starting QB, then it is a good trade. If Rudolph flops, then it is going to be a bad deal.
Davis an Edmunds both stink. They haven't been able to draft the position since Troy.
It just sucks that they took Edmunds so high given that no one else had him as a 1st rounder.
Yup...He was projected as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Bad reach on their part.
I didn't like the Bush pick either. Hope I'm wrong and he picks up his coverage ability, because I don't think he'll never be strong against the run. I know it's real early.
What stinks is they could’ve drafted Darius Leonard in the first round and still drafted Edmunds if they wanted to in the second.
If they really suck and give up a top 10 pick, then it’s questionable. But consider this...
They also get a 4th rounder in exchange for a 5th. That Miami 4th figures to be very high.
Minkah is 22 and under contract for 4 years. They basically just got a number 1 pick that is already somewhat proven. Plus they let Miami pay the signing bonus and the cap hit. The Steelers will get him at salary only which will be great for the cap.
Whatever happens with Ben, he counts a bunch against the cap the next couple years, even if he retires due to injury (due to the way his contract was structured). So this is potentially brilliant because it’s a top 10 talent with minimal cap consequences.
They also get a 4th rounder in exchange for a 5th. That Miami 4th figures to be very high.
Minkah is 22 and under contract for 4 years. They basically just got a number 1 pick that is already somewhat proven. Plus they let Miami pay the signing bonus and the cap hit. The Steelers will get him at salary only which will be great for the cap.
Whatever happens with Ben, he counts a bunch against the cap the next couple years, even if he retires due to injury (due to the way his contract was structured). So this is potentially brilliant because it’s a top 10 talent with minimal cap consequences.
If I'm Tomlin and I feel like I might be coaching for my job, I'd A) Want an impact player now, instead of waiting until next year and B) Want a player someone else drafted, since I can't draft a quality defensive back to save my life. So I guess I understand it from that perspective.
But, as much as anything, this feels like knee-jerk Tomlin revolting anyone who dare suggests this team enters rebuild mode. I know they were trying to get this done before Ben went down, but it seems like we weren't as adamant about it at that point (per Schefter), and I'm not sure it's the most prudent thing to do at this point, when we may have a high first-round pick and may need a quarterback. That said, it's not like this move is totally off the wall, either, so I don't hate it, per se. Safety and OLB are definitely high on the agenda next year. Maybe we can flip Davis for a team ice cream party and 7th-round pick considerations.
But, as much as anything, this feels like knee-jerk Tomlin revolting anyone who dare suggests this team enters rebuild mode. I know they were trying to get this done before Ben went down, but it seems like we weren't as adamant about it at that point (per Schefter), and I'm not sure it's the most prudent thing to do at this point, when we may have a high first-round pick and may need a quarterback. That said, it's not like this move is totally off the wall, either, so I don't hate it, per se. Safety and OLB are definitely high on the agenda next year. Maybe we can flip Davis for a team ice cream party and 7th-round pick considerations.
Per ESPN: The Steelers' 2020 pick has a 29 percent chance to be top-five and a 62% chance to be top-10, according to Football Power Index.
I guess they feel pretty strongly that Ben will be back and next year will still be “win now”. Maybe this will be a Bettis-like add. Rudolph playing the way he did Sunday had to have given them some confidence to make this trade. Given that they still probably wouldn’t have been bad enough to pick Tua or Herbert. Is anyone else a better bet than what they have? If they’re wrong, then those odds of a top pick will improve a lot in future years. Trevor Lawrence in 2021?
I guess they feel pretty strongly that Ben will be back and next year will still be “win now”. Maybe this will be a Bettis-like add. Rudolph playing the way he did Sunday had to have given them some confidence to make this trade. Given that they still probably wouldn’t have been bad enough to pick Tua or Herbert. Is anyone else a better bet than what they have? If they’re wrong, then those odds of a top pick will improve a lot in future years. Trevor Lawrence in 2021?
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I think the Steelers finish at least 8-8. Tough start but I see Rudolph becoming quite good quickly. He has all of the skills to do so.
Pretty much my thoughts. Yes it is a lot to give up, but you are essentially getting a Top 15 1st round pick in return with Fitzpatrick and you get him a year before 2020. He still has this year and then 3 more years at a very reasonable cap hit.
I don't love this trade, but I do like it.
I like the Steelers getting Miami's fourth-round pick, which might be the first pick in the round. So one could look at it like being a third-round compensatory pick.
He's another loose cannon sorta like an AB in training.
Fitzpatrick is really good can play CB or safety.
This will force Davis to the bench unless he is in on a sub package in long distance downs. Good move and one the Steelers do not normally make. The whole team wants out of Miami.
The club needs help on defense now. With or without Ben. If Rudolph can't get it done, they're screwed for the long term anyway.
To me, dumb move at this time. With Ben out, this season is pretty much shot, I don't expect much. So I do have some excitement for Mason Rudolph's 14 game audition, it gives us a real chance, to see what he's got, if he does great and say throws for 3000 yards and 20 TDs and they go between 7-9 to 9-7 or so, I'd feel like yes, he get's the first shot at being Ben's heir apparent, on the other hand, if he sucks and we end up with a Top 5-10 pick, I would of wanted that pick available to maybe go after a QB.
Won't really argue any of that because I see that point of view.
But I will counter and say that even Rudolph is a bust, which is certainly possible, the Steelers believe Ben will be back next year. Jake Delhomme had a similar issue and came back the following year to have his best season. I get Ben is 37 and not sure how old Delhomme was at the time so it is not totally apples to apples comparison.
But Fitzpatrick gives them a legit top of the line Defensive Back for rest of this season and next 3 after that for a really reasonable Contract. He is a Top 10 pick in draft essentially that they are getting a year early instead of waiting for 2020. And with their draft history in the secondary, I am ok with them getting a kid that has shown he can be really good already instead of them gambling on a pick.
Worst case scenario: Rudolph stinks, team goes 5-11, and the Steelers sent a top 5 pick for a guy who maybe doesn't have a true position or wants to play a position where we don't have a real need (boundary corner).
Best case scenario: Rudolph is amazing, Fitzpatrick fixes our problems at FS (goodbye Sean Davis) and defense is much improved, and team goes 10-4 ROS. The Steelers sent pick 18-20 for a guy they could never draft that late.
But then we have a QB controversy in 2020, and one of the two guys is a 38 year old diva that's allergic to film, with a bum elbow, and something like $55m in guaranteed money.
Best case scenario: Rudolph is amazing, Fitzpatrick fixes our problems at FS (goodbye Sean Davis) and defense is much improved, and team goes 10-4 ROS. The Steelers sent pick 18-20 for a guy they could never draft that late.
But then we have a QB controversy in 2020, and one of the two guys is a 38 year old diva that's allergic to film, with a bum elbow, and something like $55m in guaranteed money.
I think it’s a good move. Rudolph would really have to tank for them to finish with a high enough pick to get a franchise QB. There are many who feel that there are only two of those guys in the draft, and unless you are drafting in the top 5, you’re not getting them. And by doing this deal, it tells me that the Steelers are confident that they will have two healthy QB’s come august 2020. But that said, nothing this leadership team does makes me feel confident that their decision making was rational.
IF Rudooph plays really well, then how much of a return do you think we’d get for Ben if he fully recovers?
My hope is that if Rudolph is successful, Ben retires before the end of the season and cuts the drama off before it can start. Or that he quietly requests a trade in the off-season. My fear is that we head into next preseason with a rough situation akin to Favre and Rodgers (not saying Ben or Mason are at that caliber).
Im surprised to see so much disbelief in Rudolph. Based on 2 Pitt games, Id say hes going to be at least Ok. Doesnt have a cannon but seems to have great touch, pocket awareness and some savvy to be a starting QB in the NFL
Secondly, what is wrong with you people thinking they would draft QB anyway. And if its not top 5. Tua and Herbert are gone by 5. Hurts is likely in the teens if he keeps doing work like he has been doing. Then who??? Fromm? Dudes acting like Ben got his arm amputated or something. Smh
Secondly, what is wrong with you people thinking they would draft QB anyway. And if its not top 5. Tua and Herbert are gone by 5. Hurts is likely in the teens if he keeps doing work like he has been doing. Then who??? Fromm? Dudes acting like Ben got his arm amputated or something. Smh
It doesn’t matter honestly if they believe in mason or not .
The Stillers aren’t going to get right at qb with a draft pick next year .
On the other hand- the defensive secondary has been a bad for almost a decade .
So- taking steps with more proven commodities is far more important .
If Ben is done - it won’t matter much for next season to draft a qb.
They’ll sign some journeyman- thread water for a few seasons until they can target the next franchise qb.
I can’t imagine Ben walks from 40 million regardless of how Rudolph performs.
Thats just it. The Steelers WONT let him retire with all the dead money he would cause. No way he retires
Yes but he has to realize that the situation would be unstable at best. For him, the best option is that Rudolph sucks. Anything else and it doesn't end well unless he agrees to go elsewhere.
