Steelers vs Tampa Bay

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Rudolph signed a 4 year deal which means his contract is up the same time as Ben’s (unless the IPAs have killed my math skills). So again if they believe in him he ain’t going anywhere.

And what’s funny is that where he was drafted pissed off a lot of people. With the thought being they should be loading up as much as they could to try and win another with Ben.

I’m missing your point. I don’t say this condescending, I mean it. What’s the next step?

He will be up when Ben is. He will want the Steelers to make a commitment to him as a starter or let him go.

I think timing is off. What do you think? Dobbs is a type you can extend as a backup, I don’t see us having that luxury with him. I think it’s go with 100% or nothing.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I’m missing your point. I don’t say this condescending, I mean it. What’s the next step?

He will be up when Ben is. He will want the Steelers to make a commitment to him as a starter or let him go.

I think timing is off. What do you think?

If he’s up when Ben is, and they think he could be the guy, then isn’t the timing perfect?

The Steelers don’t need to do a friggin thing. Rudolph is under contract. So the Steelers have him under control. And Mason Rudolph isn’t in any position to make any demands. So he’ll have to play out his contract. If at any point they think he’s the guy, they can try to sign him accordingly. The Steelers hold all the cards right now so if they think he’s the guy there’s absolutely no reason to move him.

And I don’t know if he’s capable or not. I’m just playing the what if game.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

If he’s up when Ben is, and they think he could be the guy, then isn’t the timing perfect?

The Steelers don’t need to do a friggin thing. Rudolph is under contract. So the Steelers have him under control. And Mason Rudolph isn’t in any position to make any demands. So he’ll have to play out his contract. If at any point they think he’s the guy, they can try to sign him accordingly. The Steelers hold all the cards right now so if they think he’s the guy there’s absolutely no reason to move him.

And I don’t know if he’s capable or not. I’m just playing the what if game.

So in a nutshell, we got to keep Rudolph happy til 2022, hoping he’s cool with backup dutie for ‘19, ‘20 and ‘21?

I’m fine with it. Hope he is.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

If he’s up when Ben is, and they think he could be the guy, then isn’t the timing perfect?

The Steelers don’t need to do a friggin thing. Rudolph is under contract. So the Steelers have him under control. And Mason Rudolph isn’t in any position to make any demands. So he’ll have to play out his contract. If at any point they think he’s the guy, they can try to sign him accordingly. The Steelers hold all the cards right now so if they think he’s the guy there’s absolutely no reason to move him.

And I don’t know if he’s capable or not. I’m just playing the what if game.

All of the qb's I've seen on the sidelines... he's stands alone.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

So in a nutshell, we got to keep Rudolph happy til 2022, hoping he’s cool with backup dutie for ‘19, ‘20 and ‘21?

I’m fine with it. Hope he is.

Ok then. My question for you. What if he’s not happy? What’s he gonna do? Hold out? Pout? He’ll be laughed at. He’s done nothing. Zero. Now if Ben gets hurt could that change? Sure. He could come in and dazzle. But unless and until that happens - he’s nothing.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Ok then. My question for you. What if he’s not happy? What’s he gonna do? Hold out? Pout? He’ll be laughed at. He’s done nothing. Zero. Now if Ben gets hurt could that change? Sure. He could come in and dazzle. But unless and until that happens - he’s nothing.

I love the conversation and I have no idea.

I’d love if we can keep this guy on the back burner for 3 more seasons then give him the job in ‘22 after a huge new contract.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I love the conversation and I have no idea.

I’d love if we can keep this guy on the back burner for 3 more seasons then give him the job in ‘22 after a huge new contract.

And there’s this. Ben certainly has some miles. It’s possible he’ll just not have it in one of these next 3 years and be done. It could come quickly. And it only takes one time to hold on to the ball too long as he’s wont to do and he could get annihilated.

But there’s absolutely no reason to move Rudolph right now. He has absolutely no leverage.

 

[passedout]

We couldn’t get a first rd for bell or brown (arguably the best rob and wr in the game), we aren’t getting one for mason Rudolph.

Realistically speaking, no nfl team us giving up anything for an nfl 3rd string QB.

Right, we aren't ...

A high first rounder? Surely you jest.

Do you know what it takes to get an NFL team to part with a high first round draft pick (rhetorical question)?

I can’t see anyone on the Steelers roster that would command a high first rounder. Nevermind a largely unknown quantity.

I’d actually bet if they traded Rudolph they’d get a later pick than when he was drafted. Much later.

Right, more than likely we are NOT getting a 1st Rounder for him.. I think Rudolph has all the "stuff" to replace Ben if needed. QB is most valuable position on a team. When the starting QB goes down to injury, it can make or break a playoff caliber team's chance at making the playoffs, so a backup capable of sustained starts has high value. IMO they would NOT get a lesser value pick for him, Rudolph was considered 1st Round talent by a few teams.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Right, we aren't ...

Right, more than likely we are NOT getting a 1st Rounder for him.. I think Rudolph has all the "stuff" to replace Ben if needed. QB is most valuable position on a team. When the starting QB goes down to injury, it can make or break a playoff caliber team's chance at making the playoffs, so a backup capable of sustained starts has high value. IMO they would NOT get a lesser value pick for him, Rudolph was considered 1st Round talent by a few teams.

Mason Rudolph was picked R3P76, so he's a high-third guy. Typically, to get a:

-2nd round pick: won multiple games as a starter, starter potential (AJ McCarron, Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb, AJ Feely)
-1st round pick: previous experience as an established starter, high-starter/Pro Bowl ceiling (Carson Palmer, Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler, Drew Bledsoe)

Unless Mason gets some Ws as a starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers, he's not being traded for more than we paid for him. But if that happens, given Big Ben's age and physical condition, the Steelers will likely just keep him anyway. The Steelers like his ceiling and he appears to be even with Dobbs right now. So I don't think it's likely he's traded at all. It's likely Pittsburgh or bust for his career.

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

The Steelers just need to keep Rudolph happy this year. They can flip him at next year's draft when Kenny Football is eligible.

 

[str61166]

Well the "hometown" announcers made a point of going over how Winston torched Pitt in 2013 by going 25 of 27.

Total a$$clowns!

Mark Madden had Gerry Dulac on his show yesterday, and in the interview he mentioned how Louis Riddick beamed about Devin Bush's performance.

Dulac just responded right away with "Well you know I'm not the biggest fan of Louis Riddick, that goes back to his days at Pitt"

Any idea why? Didn't Dulac cover Pitt back then (and isn't he also a PSU guy)? Never really heard any bad things about Riddick, unless he may have been bad to the media when he was younger, which would seem odd considering he's seems to be pretty well-regarded at ESPN, where I feel a lot of people aren't too popular.

 

[ameoba defense]

Mason Rudolph was picked R3P76, so he's a high-third guy. Typically, to get a:

-2nd round pick: won multiple games as a starter, starter potential (AJ McCarron, Kevin Kolb, Donovan McNabb, AJ Feely)
-1st round pick: previous experience as an established starter, high-starter/Pro Bowl ceiling (Carson Palmer, Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler, Drew Bledsoe)

Unless Mason gets some Ws as a starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers, he's not being traded for more than we paid for him. But if that happens, given Big Ben's age and physical condition, the Steelers will likely just keep him anyway. The Steelers like his ceiling and he appears to be even with Dobbs right now. So I don't think it's likely he's traded at all. It's likely Pittsburgh or bust for his career.

You actually have McNabb on a level with AJ McCarron, AJ Feeley, and Kevin Kolb, and you have Bradford, Cutler, Bledsoe, and Palmer above him? Palmer is comparable, Bledsoe a bit less so. The rest aren't fit to shine McNabb's shoes.

 

[lilspainishflea]

You actually have McNabb on a level with AJ McCarron, AJ Feeley, and Kevin Kolb, and you have Bradford, Cutler, Bledsoe, and Palmer above him? Palmer is comparable, Bledsoe a bit less so. The rest aren't fit to shine McNabb's shoes.

Those were trades, not rankings of who was better all-time. And the context of those trades matters. Obviously, the Eagles were not going to trade an in-his-prime McNabb to a division rival. McNabb was 32 when he was traded and was clearly on the downside of his career. In fact, he didn't even start a full season for Washington and was pushed aside for Rex Grossman. But he was still a starter and it was thought he had a few more years in the tank. He was out of the NFL a year later.