Stillers vs Pats

[ameoba defense]

New England has great coaches and a great front office. The Steeler's firing Butler over Todd Haley illustrates the quality of our leadership.
Cause and Effect.

Ben didn't like Haley. Of course Haley is nothing special either, as we saw how much better Cleveland played after he was fired. Moncrief is awful, give Washington and the rookie most of the snaps. The Steelers free agent signings have been dreadful lately. Other than Haden, who basically fell into their lap, they haven't signed a decent free agent since DeAngelo Williams.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

New England has great coaches and a great front office. The Steeler's firing Butler over Todd Haley illustrates the quality of our leadership.
Cause and Effect.

Oh Haley deserved to be fired. In fact, the clown should have never been hired. Pretty telling in the coaching starved NFL, he is not coaching anywhere this year. The only reason, and remember it was ArtII who hired him, was because his dad was a long time coach here. Then you have Butler, who was Lebeau's caddy, he would never even smell a coordinator on any other NFL team (and that says a lot because there are so many poorly run franchises) and somehow he maintains his job.

The drafting and identifying of talent, especially on the defensive side has been horrid. That's on Colbert and Tomlin.

I remember during the 90's, Bob Smizik and his geriatric sect in the local media (which includes Ed Bouchette) derided the Penguins and their "country club" atmosphere, and the "FOM", Friends Of Mario. Meanwhile, still today I hear Bouchette tout "the Steelers Way" like it is some kind of holy shrine of greatness. Hey Ed, the "country club" franchise has 5 rings over the last 30 years compare with "the Steelers Way" two rings.

And that's just the thing. Finally the Steelers moved up to get Devin Bush. But they could have traded AB to New England for a 1st and a 3rd. Now he is at New England and the Steelers got a 3rd and a 5th. Brilliant!!! Because that is it, the Steelers and "the Steelers Way" might be okay to compete, with 30 other teams, but not New England. And the Steelers seem unwilling to change and do whatever it takes (remember that phrase to older Steelers fans?) to beat New England.

 

[happjack]

Not having a DT who gets double teamed like Casey Hampton used to really limits what the D can do.

 

[happjack]

Oh Haley deserved to be fired. In fact, the clown should have never been hired. Pretty telling in the coaching starved NFL, he is not coaching anywhere this year. The only reason, and remember it was ArtII who hired him, was because his dad was a long time coach here. Then you have Butler, who was Lebeau's caddy, he would never even smell a coordinator on any other NFL team (and that says a lot because there are so many poorly run franchises) and somehow he maintains his job.

That kind of hiring is why I don't think the Steelers will be a serious contender for years, you can't hire coaches because of who their fathers(Haley) or brothers(Bradley) were or stick to a defensive scheme that time has passed by and contend for a Super Bowl.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Oh Haley deserved to be fired. In fact, the clown should have never been hired. Pretty telling in the coaching starved NFL, he is not coaching anywhere this year. The only reason, and remember it was ArtII who hired him, was because his dad was a long time coach here. Then you have Butler, who was Lebeau's caddy, he would never even smell a coordinator on any other NFL team (and that says a lot because there are so many poorly run franchises) and somehow he maintains his job.

The drafting and identifying of talent, especially on the defensive side has been horrid. That's on Colbert and Tomlin.

I remember during the 90's, Bob Smizik and his geriatric sect in the local media (which includes Ed Bouchette) derided the Penguins and their "country club" atmosphere, and the "FOM", Friends Of Mario. Meanwhile, still today I hear Bouchette tout "the Steelers Way" like it is some kind of holy shrine of greatness. Hey Ed, the "country club" franchise has 5 rings over the last 30 years compare with "the Steelers Way" two rings.

And that's just the thing. Finally the Steelers moved up to get Devin Bush. But they could have traded AB to New England for a 1st and a 3rd. Now he is at New England and the Steelers got a 3rd and a 5th. Brilliant!!! Because that is it, the Steelers and "the Steelers Way" might be okay to compete, with 30 other teams, but not New England. And the Steelers seem unwilling to change and do whatever it takes (remember that phrase to older Steelers fans?) to beat New England.

In fairness
There is no way trading ab to New England for anything other than bill belichek would have been viewed favorably.

The pats don’t trade premium picks

 

[9nationalchampionships]

How in the heck do you get to a qb in less than 2 seconds? You don't! You guard the flats and push up the middle but few teams can do this and obviously the Stillers are not one team that can.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

In fairness
There is no way trading ab to New England for anything other than bill belichek would have been viewed favorably.

The pats don’t trade premium picks

Well yeah perception would have been bad. But it was widely reported last night that the Pats offered that package (1st and 3rd) to the Steelers for AB.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Well yeah perception would have been bad. But it was widely reported last night that the Pats offered that package (1st and 3rd) to the Steelers for AB.

Would be very out of character for them-
So doubt it.
If no other team was offering a 1st and 3rd- why would the patriots be different?

 

[McKee Place]

I said last year that as a fan I wished the Steelers could have found an (reasonable and acceptable) way to keep Brown in the fold.

Last night showed why. None of the receivers that they already had or brought in can provide what he did for them.

Now it could be perfectly true that more crap will develop yet this week, and he doesn't see the field for NE either. Anything can happen. He's a twisted case. For example... was the "helmet issue"actually ever solved?

But if he ends up playing and continuing to do well, it will underscore the gap left in the Steelers receiving core each week.

 

[NCanton Panther]

I said last year that as a fan I wished the Steelers could have found an (reasonable and acceptable) way to keep Brown in the fold.

Last night showed why. None of the receivers that they already had or brought in can provide what he did for them.

Now it could be perfectly true that more crap will develop yet this week, and he doesn't see the field for NE either. Anything can happen. He's a twisted case. For example... was the "helmet issue"actually ever solved?

But if he ends up playing and continuing to do well, it will underscore the gap left in the Steelers receiving core each week.

Yeah the helmet issue was solved - AB got an endorsement deal from the helmet manufacturer.

 

[RingDinger]

I said last year that as a fan I wished the Steelers could have found an (reasonable and acceptable) way to keep Brown in the fold.

Last night showed why. None of the receivers that they already had or brought in can provide what he did for them.

Now it could be perfectly true that more crap will develop yet this week, and he doesn't see the field for NE either. Anything can happen. He's a twisted case. For example... was the "helmet issue"actually ever solved?

But if he ends up playing and continuing to do well, it will underscore the gap left in the Steelers receiving core each week.

I don't think there is anything the Steelers could have done, because Brown gamed the system. He would have just kept going further and further until keeping him around became impossible. A lot of this mess was organic, but a lot was also fabricated toward the end.

I definitely do not think (from a comment above) we should have traded him to New England; I don't care if they were offering three firsts. Then we would have lost 40-3 last night, Brown would have had 145 yards receiving, and fans would be at Tomlin's front door with flaming torches, a battering ram, and pitchforks. Who could have reasonably anticipated his next game would be played for the Patriots when we traded him to Oakland? We do seem to have a weird amount of former players who want to stick it to the Steelers, though, so you have to think that something isn't right there.

But, yeah - JuJu is a great 1A/2-guy, but I'm not sure if he is good enough to consistently beat double teams and/or the opposing teams best corner. But thank goodness there's always Switzburgh!

 

[ameoba defense]

I don't think there is anything the Steelers could have done, because Brown gamed the system. He would have just kept going further and further until keeping him around became impossible. A lot of this mess was organic, but a lot was also fabricated toward the end.

I definitely do not think (from a comment above) we should have traded him to New England; I don't care if they were offering three firsts. Then we would have lost 40-3 last night, Brown would have had 145 yards receiving, and fans would be at Tomlin's front door with flaming torches, a battering ram, and pitchforks. Who could have reasonably anticipated his next game would be played for the Patriots when we traded him to Oakland? We do seem to have a weird amount of former players who want to stick it to the Steelers, though, so you have to think that something isn't right there.

But, yeah - JuJu is a great 1A/2-guy, but I'm not sure if he is good enough to consistently beat double teams and/or the opposing teams best corner. But thank goodness there's always Switzburgh!

Not only can teams double JuJu, they can put their 2 best guys on him because they don't have another receiver that can make them pay. Last year, JuJu made teams pay for doubling Brown. Moncrief certainly can't do that. If last night is what we can expect from Moncrief, then Washington and Johnson should be out there instead. At least they have upside.

 

[NCanton Panther]

Not only can teams double JuJu, they can put their 2 best guys on him because they don't have another receiver that can make them pay. Last year, JuJu made teams pay for doubling Brown. Moncrief certainly can't do that. If last night is what we can expect from Moncrief, then Washington and Johnson should be out there instead. At least they have upside.

Johnson may have potential but it’s going to take some time for him to develop to where he’s a significant threat. So far Washington doesn’t appear to offer much other than the occasional deep threat, ala Mike one-truck pony Wallace. It’s going to be a long uphill struggle relying on Moncrief as the #2 WR.