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Sun bowl should be listed as exhibition

Ego and bragging rights is the purpose for every sporting event and every fan who attends such events. That is the reason that the scoreboard was invented. What is your point?
It’s a meaningless exhibition and rational adults ascribe no meaning to the results.
 
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And last year 12-2 would have sounded a lot better than 11-3, not to mention jumping them up a number of places in the final rankings.

Yeah, it all sounds better, particularly in a few years when everyone’s looking back and making reference to records and rankings of past teams, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t really matter or impact much going forward.
Why do things TODAY need to have an impact "going forward"? When I was growing up in my Boomer World :) we wanted to win today, even if it didn't help for the future.
 
Why does it matter? How is your life impacted?
I had FUN inside my own head for that few minutes when the game ended, that's all I care about, it's nothing more than a TV Show to me, and a happy ending is nice. It doesn't have to mean anything more than that, it doesn't have to impact the future or anything else beyond the moment I turn off the TV.
 
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I had FUN inside my own head for that few minutes when the game ended, that's all I care about, it's nothing more than a TV Show to me, and a happy ending is nice. It doesn't have to mean anything more than that, it doesn't have to impact the future or anything else beyond the moment I turn off the TV.
Fun is a good thing but some don't like that word since their lives are miserable. H2P
 
There's a bowl game being played right now as I type this, on a Monday at the 3pm hour. It doesn't get more meaningless than that.
 
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9-4 greater than 8-5, so it matters. Otherwise, no game the entire season matters. Why follow college football at all?
Well I’m sure you know winning or losing your last game of the season, particularly in these more meaningless by the minute bowl games, is a lot different and a lot less significant than winning or losing a game during the course of the season, when you still haves hopes and goals for the remainder of the season.

Kind of like the last week of the NFL season for teams eliminated from playoff contention vs any number of weeks during the course would of the season when they still had those hopes.
 
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UCLA is probably, smartly, not announcing opt outs. Its actually kind of stupid to announce them. Why would you? It limits tickets sales and gives an advantage to the other team's preparation.

That said, unless its a NY6 bowl, these are all exhibition games. I would have no more interest in the game if everyone is playing. The season is over and this is just a fun bonus exhibition game
The two biggest players in our NY6 Bowl game last year opted out.
 
There's a bowl game being played right now as I type this, on a Monday at the 3pm hour. It doesn't get more meaningless than that.
Marshall leading UConn 21-0, middle of 2nd quarter, in Myrtle Beach. Dozens watching on ESPN. And plenty of empty seats in the 21K capacity stadium.
 
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It’s a meaningless exhibition and rational adults ascribe no meaning to the results.
What does the word exhibition mean to you in this context? Every game is an exhibition. These games certainly aren't meaningless to the players coaches and staff of the programs or the thousands that attend at great cost in time and expense or to the schools themselves or the networks that receive millions of dollars in promotional benefits. You folks keep using the words "exhibition" and "meaningless". I don't think you know what the meanings of those words are.
 
What does the word exhibition mean to you in this context? Every game is an exhibition. These games certainly aren't meaningless to the players coaches and staff of the programs or the thousands that attend at great cost in time and expense or to the schools themselves or the networks that receive millions of dollars in promotional benefits. You folks keep using the words "exhibition" and "meaningless". I don't think you know what the meanings of those words are.
I contend they are meaningless to the players as so many opt out. It is funny, because if you really know some players, and especially at high levels, you realize that the players don't have that same animosity and even care about "rivalries" and things like that. They think fans hatred of each other who never stepped on the field is funny.
 
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9-4 greater than 8-5, so it matters. Otherwise, no game the entire season matters. Why follow college football at all?
They tell us it's all meaningless unless you win the championship. so, I guess you can cancel all the games that don't include Bama, Georgia and tOSU for the rest of history.
 
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I contend they are meaningless to the players as so many opt out. It is funny, because if you really know some players, and especially at high levels, you realize that the players don't have that same animosity and even care about "rivalries" and things like that. They think fans hatred of each other who never stepped on the field is funny.
I personally know many college players and even a couple who played pro sports as well. None of what you just typed is accurate. Players get caught up in rivalry every bit as much as fans do.

A handful of kids with other priorities will opt out. Many more will expose themselves to injury and put in hours of exhausting mental and physical prep in order to be able to compete in these games.
 
If the game was meaningful to any degree, so many players wouldn't be opting out. That answers the question right there. They don't care and don't think it matters to play it now.

I'm of the school that says that the results of these games, other than the CFP, should not count in your win or loss totals at all. It is, after all, a true exhibition for entertainment only. The results aren't relevant when so many players, especially the starters who got us here, aren't even playing.
 
They aren’t exhibitions. They are really as meaningful as any regular season game when it comes to W-L and rankings.

They aren’t exhibitions until the NCAA rules them as such (which they should do).
The NCAA doesn't have any say so. but if they didn't count on the record, most likely fewer people would watch or attend.
 
Well I’m sure you know winning or losing your last game of the season, particularly in these more meaningless by the minute bowl games, is a lot different and a lot less significant than winning or losing a game during the course of the season, when you still haves hopes and goals for the remainder of the season.

Kind of like the last week of the NFL season for teams eliminated from playoff contention vs any number of weeks during the course would of the season when they still had those hopes.
Hopes and goals were over after the NC loss. It didn't mean the remaining games were meaningless.

I see plenty of NFL teams that are eliminated from the playoffs continuing to play hard every year. Players at high levels are the ultimate competitors. When they give up during a game or a season that's not understandable, it's a problem.
 
If the game was meaningful to any degree, so many players wouldn't be opting out. That answers the question right there. They don't care and don't think it matters to play it now.

I'm of the school that says that the results of these games, other than the CFP, should not count in your win or loss totals at all. It is, after all, a true exhibition for entertainment only. The results aren't relevant when so many players, especially the starters who got us here, aren't even playing.
Players opting out are doing so for financial reasons. They are players who are done playing at that school and moving on. So it's not that simple as saying they don't care. They simply have other priorities.
 
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If they do that, people won't watch.

I can’t imagine it would affect viewership that much. I watched a whole bunch of meaningless bowl games this weekend and at least one of them didn’t even have a winning record (Rice).

I wouldn’t mind if there were more bowls, to be honest. Being able to turn on the TV and almost be guaranteed to see some meaningless bowl is a beautiful thing.
 
I personally know many college players and even a couple who played pro sports as well. None of what you just typed is accurate. Players get caught up in rivalry every bit as much as fans do.

A handful of kids with other priorities will opt out. Many more will expose themselves to injury and put in hours of exhausting mental and physical prep in order to be able to compete in these games.
I personally know more so you are wrong.
 
Players opting out are doing so for financial reasons. They are players who are done playing at that school and moving on. So it's not that simple as saying they don't care. They simply have other priorities.

That is the rumor.

I beg to differ. I think if you are a marginal draft prospect, as many of our opt outs are, you should play to get more tape, more eyes on you, more chances at a job interview. If you are Kenny Pickett, of course, opt out, you will be a millionaire. If you are a first team AA, sure opt out. If you are Gabe Huoy or Hill... I dont get it, You need more chances to turn heads. We have seen Ford and Twyman before, both were tremendous (well Ford less so) and both fell mightily.

It is surprising. But, also, in today's college football, it isnt. Much less enjoyable entertainment now a days
 
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Thus is a freaking joke. Cancey out alexander out. Hill out dennis out. Freaking slovis gone . This lineup is a shadow of the team that crushed the U and if we lose you jackasses will be gloating about duzz being mediocre. Two words. Bite me! Ps i am not blaming the players so forget that angle
If the game counts in the win or loss column and is considered when ranking teams at the end of Bowl season, then it’s not an exhibition game….
 
Fun is a good thing but some don't like that word since their lives are miserable. H2P
I hope that isn’t a reference to me. I’ll have fun whether Pitt wins or loses. I enjoy life and my enjoyment isn’t dependent on the performance of a bunch of young adults.
 
UCLA is probably, smartly, not announcing opt outs. Its actually kind of stupid to announce them. Why would you? It limits tickets sales and gives an advantage to the other team's preparation.

That said, unless its a NY6 bowl, these are all exhibition games. I would have no more interest in the game if everyone is playing. The season is over and this is just a fun bonus exhibition game
I don’t think they’ll need any help limiting ticket sales. Neither will Pitt, although I’ll bet Pitt travels better to this game than UCLA.
 
9-4 greater than 8-5, so it matters. Otherwise, no game the entire season matters. Why follow college football at all?
Championships matter. Unless it’s meaningful for a championship, 9 vs 8 wins is not important. College football is entertainment. I couldn’t care less who wins games when Pitt isn’t playing.
 
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What does the word exhibition mean to you in this context? Every game is an exhibition. These games certainly aren't meaningless to the players coaches and staff of the programs or the thousands that attend at great cost in time and expense or to the schools themselves or the networks that receive millions of dollars in promotional benefits. You folks keep using the words "exhibition" and "meaningless". I don't think you know what the meanings of those words are.
Games that matter for championships are not exhibitions. Participants play for the competition so of course they aren’t exhibitions to them. I’m talking from a viewer perspective. These games are meaningless beyond their entertainment value.
 
They tell us it's all meaningless unless you win the championship. so, I guess you can cancel all the games that don't include Bama, Georgia and tOSU for the rest of history.
Division and league championships also matter.
 
Championships matter. Unless it’s meaningful for a championship, 9 vs 8 wins is not important. College football is entertainment. I couldn’t care less who wins games when Pitt isn’t playing.

Like you said NC, it's nice entertainment. If I'm not doing anything else and bored out of my mind, I might turn on one of these games to pass a half hour or so. Including the Sun Bowl. I doubt I'll even watch the Sun Bowl since I'll be at the Pitt-UNC hoops game, which will just be close to ending when the Sun Bowl begins. Then we have plans with friends to get together and dinner later. So there's not much time to watch an exhibition football game.
 
That is the rumor.

I beg to differ. I think if you are a marginal draft prospect, as many of our opt outs are, you should play to get more tape, more eyes on you, more chances at a job interview. If you are Kenny Pickett, of course, opt out, you will be a millionaire. If you are a first team AA, sure opt out. If you are Gabe Huoy or Hill... I dont get it, You need more chances to turn heads. We have seen Ford and Twyman before, both were tremendous (well Ford less so) and both fell mightily.

It is surprising. But, also, in today's college football, it isnt. Much less enjoyable entertainment now a days
It’s more than rumors. The players themselves say they prepping for the combine. Their combine performance will be much more meaningful to their draft prospects than playing 1 more game after 4 or more years of playing.
 
How about the bowl sponsors offer up prize money? But how much would it take?
How about the school or play for pay money buying insurance coverage to cover injury events. Payment based on loss of one year potential NFL lost pay with a rider for significant injury resulting in permanent injury. Say 1,000,000 for “temporary” injury and 20,000,000 for “ permanent” injury. Alternative is discontinuation of bowl games not involved in playoffs, soon to be expanded.
 
Hopes and goals were over after the NC loss. It didn't mean the remaining games were meaningless.

I see plenty of NFL teams that are eliminated from the playoffs continuing to play hard every year. Players at high levels are the ultimate competitors. When they give up during a game or a season that's not understandable, it's a problem.
You can dream on all you want if you really want to believe these bowl games are anywhere near as meaningful as games during the season when everyone is still playing for something. Same with last week vs during season NFL games.
 
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Games that matter for championships are not exhibitions. Participants play for the competition so of course they aren’t exhibitions to them. I’m talking from a viewer perspective. These games are meaningless beyond their entertainment value.
An exhibition is a display of objects, animals, fashions, skills, etc. A football game is a display of football skill. It matters not whether the game is a spring game, an NCAA championship or a practice, or whether participants are paid, rewarded in some way or admission is charged.
 
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