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Sun bowl should be listed as exhibition

You can dream on all you want if you really want to believe these bowl games are anywhere near as meaningful as games during the season when everyone is still playing for something. Same with last week vs during season NFL games.
You're moving the goalposts. Are they meaningless or mean less than games earlier in the season? There's a distinction here which you've obviously realized, but don't want to admit.

I don't see anyone arguing they're as meaningful as a conference game when you're still playing for a championship. People are saying they still mean something because it's part of your record.
 
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I contend they are meaningless to the players as so many opt out. It is funny, because if you really know some players, and especially at high levels, you realize that the players don't have that same animosity and even care about "rivalries" and things like that. They think fans hatred of each other who never stepped on the field is funny.
Nope…Ohio State-Michigan week…I’m betting you never knew any players 1 thru 85 on either team…any year…
 
You're moving the goalposts. Are they meaningless or mean less than games earlier in the season? There's a distinction here which you've obviously realized, but don't want to admit.

I don't see anyone arguing they're as meaningful as a conference game when you're still playing for a championship. People are saying they still mean something because it's part of your record.
You’re too funny, I didn’t change the goal post even a little. You made the illogical comment that these last bowl games of the season mean as much as any other game during the season and I just called you out for the stupid comment and gave you the practical reason why. And then you moved the goalposts with your comeback.
 
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You’re too funny, I didn’t change the goal post even a little. You made the illogical comment that these last bowl games of the season mean as much as any other game during the season and I just called you out for the stupid comment and gave you the practical reason why. And then you moved the goalposts with your comeback.
Now you're just flat out lying and full of sh!t. That, or you have the reading comprehension of my shoe. Maybe you should read again, slower.

Do you know the definition of meaningless? Try Google if you've forgotten.
 
Thus is a freaking joke. Cancey out alexander out. Hill out dennis out. Freaking slovis gone . This lineup is a shadow of the team that crushed the U and if we lose you jackasses will be gloating about duzz being mediocre. Two words. Bite me! Ps i am not blaming the players so forget that angle
Then don’t watch. Don’t go. Don’t waste your time posting about it. No one is making you watch. I bet Gone With the Wind will be playing that day so you can watch people who have been dead for ages play parts where you know how everything turns out. Hell, the dialogue hasn’t changed either.
Me? I’ll be there.
 
If the game was meaningful to any degree, so many players wouldn't be opting out. That answers the question right there. They don't care and don't think it matters to play it now.

I'm of the school that says that the results of these games, other than the CFP, should not count in your win or loss totals at all. It is, after all, a true exhibition for entertainment only. The results aren't relevant when so many players, especially the starters who got us here, aren't even playing.
Not true. Players are opting out because they have decided that their personal interests (eg prepping for the draft, avoiding injury, etc) outweighs the benefits to them of playing in the game. The players who are going to participate will play hard and will try to win. Once these guys step on the field, the game is meaningful even if you don't think so.
 
You're moving the goalposts. Are they meaningless or mean less than games earlier in the season? There's a distinction here which you've obviously realized, but don't want to admit.

I don't see anyone arguing they're as meaningful as a conference game when you're still playing for a championship. People are saying they still mean something because it's part of your record.
‘9-4 greater than 8-5, so it matters. Otherwise, no game the entire season matters. Why follow college football at all?’

Your post is above that I replied to. My reading comprehension says you’re saying in the above that last game of the season is just as meaningful as any during the season. At least that’s what I get out of you saying no game the entire season matters. Couldn’t disagree with that more.
 
Marshall leading UConn 21-0, middle of 2nd quarter, in Myrtle Beach. Dozens watching on ESPN. And plenty of empty seats in the 21K capacity stadium.

918,000 people watched the Myrtle Beach Bowl last year. That's the problem. We can complain all we want but Americans simply cannot stop watching bowl games. Its an obsession. Probably 2 million will watch the Sun Bowl.
 
‘9-4 greater than 8-5, so it matters. Otherwise, no game the entire season matters. Why follow college football at all?’

Your post is above that I replied to. My reading comprehension says you’re saying in the above that last game of the season is just as meaningful as any during the season. At least that’s what I get out of you saying no game the entire season matters. Couldn’t disagree with that more.
The game counts towards your record, it's not meaningless. Every game that counts towards your record matters. Games carry different importance. OOC matter less than conference. Certain conference games matter more than others. UNC loss cost them the Coastal.

It may be a meaningless game to you, but it's not to others. I guess half this season was meaningless to you. That's fine, don't watch.
 
918,000 people watched the Myrtle Beach Bowl last year. That's the problem. We can complain all we want but Americans simply cannot stop watching bowl games. Its an obsession. Probably 2 million will watch the Sun Bowl.
Sun bowl will be closer to $3m people. Central Mich vs. Wash St had 2.85m.
 
The game counts towards your record, it's not meaningless. Every game that counts towards your record matters. Games carry different importance. OOC matter less than conference. Certain conference games matter more than others. UNC loss cost them the Coastal.

It may be a meaningless game to you, but it's not to others. I guess half this season was meaningless to you. That's fine, don't watch.
So now you’re moving from no game the entire season matters if the last game doesn’t matter to finally admitting the games have varying levels of importance. And you were trying to say I was moving the goalposts. Mine have been consistent, your goalposts all over the map.
 
So now you’re moving from no game the entire season matters if the last game doesn’t matter to finally admitting the games have varying levels of importance. And you were trying to say I was moving the goalposts. Mine have been consistent, your goalposts all over the map.
LOL, are you two years old? No need to rehash, it's all in the thread chief.

You sure spend a lot of time talking about a meaningless game.
 
Some people forget that the gambling industry in the US is simply huge when it comes to football. So while the games may be watered down with opt-outs, the gamblers don't care. They are addicted to gambling on these games. Many people in the US play fantasy football, including women. They also participate in college football bowl pools. The gambling keeps people's eyes on these games. So regardless of the game quality, there is a market for even what most would claim a meaningless game. That is a big reason why I don't think these numerous bowl games will disappear anytime soon.
 
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Some people forget that the gambling industry in the US is simply huge when it comes to football. So while the games may be watered down with opt-outs, the gamblers don't care. They are addicted to gambling on these games. Many people in the US play fantasy football, including women. They also participate in college football bowl pools. The gambling keeps people's eyes on these games. So regardless of the game quality, there is a market for even what most would claim a meaningless game. That is a big reason why I don't think these numerous bowl games will disappear anytime soon.
Gambling is the force in all major sports that drives the bus. Great post, spot on! H2P!
 
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Bowl games matter to...
1. Gamblers
2. Coaching staff's that want more practices.
3. Players who enjoy all the extra freebies and maybe get to step in and try to earn a spot for next year.
4. Alumni who like to take trips and party.
5. Fans of rivals who think their school winning matters but your school winning doesn't.
6. Schools that haven't gone to a bowl in a long time.
7. Bowl committee people.

By the way, bowl games were traditionally considered exhibition games. They got more important at some point and that's fine. Winning nine games is a great look for your program but it's way better if they come before December starts.
 
918,000 people watched the Myrtle Beach Bowl last year. That's the problem. We can complain all we want but Americans simply cannot stop watching bowl games. Its an obsession. Probably 2 million will watch the Sun Bowl.
What is the problem?

Televised football games are entertainment and people want to be entertained. Its a pretty simple concept.
 
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The game counts towards your record, it's not meaningless. Every game that counts towards your record matters. Games carry different importance. OOC matter less than conference. Certain conference games matter more than others. UNC loss cost them the Coastal.

It may be a meaningless game to you, but it's not to others. I guess half this season was meaningless to you. That's fine, don't watch.
Again with the "record" nonsense. In 2 years, the number of people who will care whether Pitt won 8 or 9 games will number in the double digits. The rest of the world doesn't care.
 
What is the problem?

Televised football games are entertainment and people want to be entertained. Its a pretty simple concept.
lol, good question. i dont see the travesty here. people sitting at home, off from work, with nothing else to do from Dec 26th to Jan 2nd so they watch college football. oh no..
 
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So only the games of maybe 6-7 teams matter every year and 95% of all games might as well be cancelled.
Really? There are only 6-7 divisions in college and only 1 school has the chance to those divisions? Somebody missed at least 1 point.
 
Again with the "record" nonsense. In 2 years, the number of people who will care whether Pitt won 8 or 9 games will number in the double digits. The rest of the world doesn't care.
The record is nonsense. Ok, thanks for enlightening me.
 
Really? There are only 6-7 divisions in college and only 1 school has the chance to those divisions? Somebody missed at least 1 point.
The people against playoff expansion argue that even if you let AQ conference champs in from lesser leagues it's a waste because "they can never win anyways" so yeah, they are saying only a tiny number should ever be considered.
 
The people against playoff expansion argue that even if you let AQ conference champs in from lesser leagues it's a waste because "they can never win anyways" so yeah, they are saying only a tiny number should ever be considered.

Many teams are playing meaningful games in pursuit of their conference's championship. He never limited it to only the NC championship pursuit.
 
It’s more than rumors. The players themselves say they prepping for the combine. Their combine performance will be much more meaningful to their draft prospects than playing 1 more game after 4 or more years of playing.
i meant that is the rumor, meaning if they even get drafted.

I dont even think most of them would be invited to the combine, do you?

I say this every year, and mostly every year I am right, but constantly these kids get bad info, and that is the reason for it.

I still think playing a game when youre the only game on, is far more beneficial than sitting it out. Why not sit out 3 regular season games and only play in the bowl game then? The games still count, still viewed, still counts for stats. Silly to think pro teams dont use every game and stats to evaluate players. Especially considering the combine results most likely will be what you think they are outside of a few.

Phil Campbell, Lucas Krull, Petrishen, Weah, and the "almost unreal showing" of Damarri Mathis didnt push any of their draft stock higher. UNless someone jumps out like Aaron Donald did, and that doesnt happen often, the combine is important, but mostly only if you screw it up
 
The game counts towards your record, it's not meaningless. Every game that counts towards your record matters. Games carry different importance. OOC matter less than conference. Certain conference games matter more than others. UNC loss cost them the Coastal.

It may be a meaningless game to you, but it's not to others. I guess half this season was meaningless to you. That's fine, don't watch.

Not only does it count towards your record, the final rankings are affected by it since they come out after the bowl. As long as that is the case, the bowls matter which is a shame since the players don't share this attitude any more.

Really need to look at this. Heck the NFL finally realized the pro-bowl was a joke. Need to do something, maybe pay the players for participating, and pay the winning team more? Or do the rankings after championship Saturday then you can admit these games are just exhibitions. But in that case it will slowly turn into the pro bowl of college and really be bad football.
 
UCLA is probably, smartly, not announcing opt outs. Its actually kind of stupid to announce them. Why would you? It limits tickets sales and gives an advantage to the other team's preparation.

That said, unless its a NY6 bowl, these are all exhibition games. I would have no more interest in the game if everyone is playing. The season is over and this is just a fun bonus exhibition game
Even the NY6 games are exhibitions. The only games that matter are the 2 semi-finals and the final game.
 
Don’t forget about the immigration issue that El Paso is facing from Juarez? I think I am going to pass on going to this bowl game after giving it some thought.
 
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Not only does it count towards your record, the final rankings are affected by it since they come out after the bowl. As long as that is the case, the bowls matter which is a shame since the players don't share this attitude any more.

Really need to look at this. Heck the NFL finally realized the pro-bowl was a joke. Need to do something, maybe pay the players for participating, and pay the winning team more? Or do the rankings after championship Saturday then you can admit these games are just exhibitions. But in that case it will slowly turn into the pro bowl of college and really be bad football.
The best analogy yet is to the pro bowl. Yeah these bowl games are teetering on becoming flag football pro bowl fiascos
 
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Not true. Players are opting out because they have decided that their personal interests (eg prepping for the draft, avoiding injury, etc) outweighs the benefits to them of playing in the game. The players who are going to participate will play hard and will try to win. Once these guys step on the field, the game is meaningful even if you don't think so.

I don't know and you don't know how meaningful these exhibition games are to the players. My opinion is that they shouldn't count toward the record and should be just purely for exhibition and having fun for the team as a reward for a good season. But that's just my opinion. I know no one in authority is listening to me. I just know I won't be watching unless I'm completely bored and have nothing else to do. That never happens much.
 
Don’t forget about the immigration issue that El Paso is facing from Juarez? I think I am going to pass on going to this bowl game after giving it some thought.
What? You scared of those fentanyl mules?
 
The people against playoff expansion argue that even if you let AQ conference champs in from lesser leagues it's a waste because "they can never win anyways" so yeah, they are saying only a tiny number should ever be considered.
And I'm saying that any championship matters, not just the natty.
 
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