Syracuse Game @ the Pete & Other Dribbles ...

[DT_PITT]

** Midway through the first half, on the Pete scoreboard the always great EJ Borghetti narrated a retrospective segment about the famous 2011 Syracuse game when the Panthers started off 19-0, followed by the infamous 17-0 Cuse Counter.

** While watching, I was also reminded of the 2005 Syracuse game where the Panthers went down 24-5, before climbing back to a 5 point halftime deficit, then pulling away for a 7 point victory.

** At the same time, the Panthers, of course, were stuck in their own 22-6 first half deficit. What is it with these two former Big East foes?

** In all of these cases, we are reminded why College Basketball games are 40 minutes. In today’s case, thank goodness!

** Most importantly, the Panthers responded in the second half with their best 20 minutes of basketball in quite some time. Do we have to hark all the way back to the second 20 minutes in Columbus?

** At halftime, I remarked to Panther Lair Commander Peak that how the Panthers came out early in the second half might be one of the most defining moments of Coach Capel’s tenure as the Panther Head Coach.

** When Syracuse called timeout with the score tied at the 13 minute mark, I turned around and said something along the lines of “that will do!”

** From that point on, the Panthers pulled away sufficiently and convincingly, sending the smallish Panther crowd, and even smallerish Oakland Zoo, home happy enough knowing that the road to the NCAA tournament remains treacherous, but open.

** Perhaps you are one who is hesitant to give Capel credit for tonight’s turnaround, and this is certainly understandable. After all, these incredibly poor starts aren’t just a trend but a trait. Somehow, this feels that there is something wrong with his approach.

** What one can say for sure about the Panthers in the second half is that to a man, the whole team played with fire and pride, and battled as hard as we’ve seen since 2024.

** Fortunately, the Cuse was poor enough for the Panthers to get back on track. But let’s also give the credit to the players who deserve it most.

** The players deserve it most because they busted their tails on the defensive end and played as hard as we've seen this season, especially in the paint.

** At the top of my deserve it most list tonight is Guillermo Diaz Graham. GDG brought as much battle to the floor as we’ve ever seen from him as stood toe to toe with his foe who outweighs him by as much as 100 pounds. Maybe more.

** In short, we got to see the 20-20 minute mix at the five spot that some of us have suggested is best for this group.

** Beyond that, this is further evidence to me that GDG is a far better five than a four, as much as I dislike these lessons being learned in the second half of February. But I digress.

** Tonight's other MVP is the gentleman who, regardless of where this season ends up, deserves our deepest respect for giving the Panthers a fine senior season.

** Zack has always brought 110% energy to the game since his first days as a Panther. But his work on his 3 point shot in the off season is evident as he’s once again flirting with 40% from deep.

** We’ve all lamented Jaland’s troubles on the offensive end, but we really need to give him credit for playing much more within himself instead of trying to do too much himself. And after shaking off early struggles, the same can be said for Ish.

** This game gave me the impression that Beebah is a better compliment to Ish and Jaland than what was offered by Damian Dunn since his return.

** Yet, where Mr. Cummings has made his biggest strides lately have been on the defensive end, and over the last few games, he’s been switching and handling ball screens much more effectively.

** It also nice that he’s scored in double figures in his last three.

** In this contest, it was completely appropriate to give Beebah 30 minutes while offering 11 to Amsal. I’m all in favor of giving Amsal longer looks, and there will be games and moments where he will help in greater amounts. But even from early on today, it was clear to me that this contest was not one of those times.

** Previously, I mentioned the “smallerish,” Oakland Zoo. Thankfully, they were joined by none other than Carl Krauser, who I should mention scored 19 points and tossed 9 assists to lead the Panthers back from the 24-5 deficit against the Cuse in 2005.

** From the looks of it, Carl brought enough fan energy himself to make up for a couple hundred of lacking students.

** In Carl’s last three seasons, he led the Panthers to an impressive 5-0 record against the Irish, back in the days of Chris Thomas, Chris Quinn and Torin Francis.

** Maybe Capel should buy a ticket for Carl to sit behind the bench in South Bend in our upcoming contest. He’d be a good reminder that the Panthers will need to play with fire and pride for a whole 40 minutes against the Irish, or they will find themselves facing a Road Closed sign around 4:30 on Saturday.

 

[Protes]

Dribbles are spot on. Maybe we need to start pretending we are down 10 at tip-off.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

** Midway through the first half, on the Pete scoreboard the always great EJ Borghetti narrated a retrospective segment about the famous 2011 Syracuse game when the Panthers started off 19-0, followed by the infamous 17-0 Cuse Counter.

** While watching, I was also reminded of the 2005 Syracuse game where the Panthers went down 24-5, before climbing back to a 5 point halftime deficit, then pulling away for a 7 point victory.

** While we were watching this, the Panthers, of course, were stuck in their own 22-6 first half deficit. What is it with these two former Big East foes?

** In all of these cases, we are reminded why College Basketball games are 40 minutes. In today’s case, thank goodness of course.

** Most importantly, the Panthers responded in the second half with their best 20 minutes of basketball in quite some time. Do we have to hark all the way back to the second 20 minutes in Columbus?

** At halftime, I remarked to Panther Lair Commander Peak that how the Panthers came out early in the second half might be one of the most defining moments of Coach Capel’s tenure as the Panther Head Coach.

** When Syracuse called timeout with the score tied at the 13 minute mark, I turned around and said something along the lines of “that will do!”

** From that point on, the Panthers pulled away sufficiently and convincingly, sending the smallish Panther crowd, and even smallerish Oakland Zoo, home happy enough knowing that the road to the NCAA tournament remains treacherous, but open.

** Perhaps you are one who is hesitant to give Capel credit for tonight’s turnaround, and this is certainly understandable. After all, these incredibly poor starts aren’t just a trend but a trait. Somehow, this feels that there is something wrong with his approach.

** What one can say for sure about the Panthers in the second half is that to a man, the whole team played with fire and pride, and battled as hard as we’ve seen since 2024.

** Fortunately, the Cuse was poor enough for the Panthers to get back on track. But let’s also give the credit to the players who deserve it most.

** The players deserve it most because they busted their tails on the defensive end and played as hard as we've seen this season, especially in the paint.

** At the top of my deserve it most list tonight is Guillermo Diaz Graham. GDG brought as much battle to the floor as we’ve ever seen from him as stood toe to toe with his foe who outweighs him by as much as 100 pounds. Maybe more.

** In short, we got to see the 20-20 minute mix at the five spot that some of us have suggested is best for this group.

** Beyond that, this is further evidence to me that GDG is a far better five than a four, as much as I dislike these lessons being learned in the second half of February. But I digress.

** Tonight's other MVP is the gentleman who, regardless of where this season ends up, deserves our deepest respect for giving the Panthers a fine senior season.

** Zach has always brought 110% energy to the game since his first days as a Panther. But his work on his 3 point shot in the off season is evident as he’s once again flirting with 40% from deep.

** We’ve all lamented Jaland’s troubles on the offensive end, but we really need to give him credit for playing much more within himself instead of trying to do too much himself. And after shaking off early struggles, the same can be said for Ish.

** This game gave me the impression that Beebah is a better compliment to Ish and Jaland than what was offered by Damian Dunn since his return.

** Yet, where Mr. Cummings has made his biggest strides lately have been on the defensive end, and over the last few games, he’s been switching and handling ball screens much more effectively.

** It also nice that he’s scored in double figures in his last three.

** In this contest, it was completely appropriate to give Beebah 30 minutes while offering 11 to Amsal. I’m all in favor of giving Amsal longer looks, and there will be games and moments where he will help in greater amounts. But even from early on today, it was clear to me that this contest was not one of those times.

** Previously, I mentioned the “smallerish,” Oakland Zoo. Thankfully, they were joined by none other than Carl Krauser, who I should mention scored 19 points and tossed 9 assists to lead the Panthers back from the 24-5 deficit against the Cuse in 2005.

** From the looks of it, Carl brought enough fan energy himself to make up for a couple hundred of lacking students.

** In Carl’s last three seasons, he led the Panthers to an impressive 5-0 record against the Irish, back in the days of Chris Thomas, Chris Quinn and Torin Francis.

** Maybe Capel should buy a ticket for Carl to sit behind the bench in South Bend in our upcoming contest. He’d be a good reminder that the Panthers will need to play with fire and pride for a whole 40 minutes against the Irish, or they will find themselves facing a Road Closed sign around 4:30 on Saturday.

Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined Pitt and Syracuse playing in front of around 4000 fans, a half-empty Zoo, and only about 10 visiting Syracuse fans (who used to travel pretty well). Syracuse has fallen on harder times but Pitt, as mediocre as we are, deserve better crowd support. I'd like to see the real, actual attendance numbers for this team compared to 0-19 because they can't be much different. Pitt fans came back a little bit the last 2 years but now they are done again. Tickets were going for $1 on Stubhub. WPIAL Playoff tickets tonight were $10. Definitely the smallest Pitt/Syr crowd and Pitt/Syr Zoo crowd.

A win is a win. Survive and advance, I guess but the 3 point defense is the worst I've ever seen. I get that everyone still plays help defense but isn't that antiquated? They don't do that in the NBA because everyone shoots too well. College kids don't shoot it as well but against Pitt they do....because our rotations are too slow. So why even help? Well, I know why? We are afraid of giving up easy 2s, especially because we have no rim protection. But, man, I'd much rather see teams beat us on 2s.

Not sure what else to say about the game. We won. So there's that. We live to fight another day. But if we keep defending like this, midnight will be here relatively shortly.

Oh, one other thing, a few RMU players were there, including Alvaro Folguieras, who is 19th in the nation in rebounding. He's also their leading scorer on a team who may make the NCAAT. He has to be priority #1 in the portal.

 

[Chairman Moe]

DT_PITT said:

** Perhaps you are one who is hesitant to give Capel credit for tonight’s turnaround, and this is certainly understandable. After all, these incredibly poor starts aren’t just a trend but a trait. Somehow, this feels that there is something wrong with his approach"

Not speaking to the trait of being down double digits in nearly every first half this year, but one thing I've noticed is that Pitt always seems to score better in the second half @ the Pete. Is it that they are playing in front of their bench? Is the lighting better on that end of the court? Is the rim on that basket a little bit looser? I'm sure the statistics will confirm it. Anyone want to do the research to prove me wrong (or correct)?

Just seems weird, that's all ... anyway, as I mentioned to another Pitt fan off line last night, it's more fun to be critical of a bad win than a bad loss

There's still a glimmer of hope for the post-season but I think it's in the NIT unfortunately

And DT: next time you see Peak please tell him never to go on Mark Packer's show again. He visited when the FB team was 7-0 and when the BB team was 12-2. I'd hate to call the moderator of this board a jinx, but ...

H2P!

 

[CrazyPaco]

Was this the worst attended Pitt vs Syracuse game ever? Sort of sad.

 

[pittbb80]

Question is why does this team come out so uninspired and flat just about every game

Today GDGs play was a Microcoim of the team. He looked totally lost for most of the first half. Then it look like someone flipped a switch and he played some of the most physical aggressive defense he’s played since coming to pitt

I don’t know if it’s the shooting that impacts their energy level or their energy level on defense that impacts their shooting. But I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they couldn’t hit the ocean for most of the first half. Then they stared dropping threes and the defensive picked up at the same time

I think the later is the key for this team. Somehow they need to bring it on the other end of the floor ALL game and trust that their shots will eventually fall

 

[tylersmyth]

What does Carl Krauser do for a living?

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

Winning is definitely better than losing. This season as a whole is a head scratcher but any win is a good win.

When Dunn got hurt, I think we were all curious to see how beebah would do with more minutes and so far it has been encouraging.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

Also, one other thing. I don’t know what will happen with college sports but no matter what, I hope Pitt and the cuse play each other every year no matter what. They aren’t our biggest rival and I don’t stir up anger in my stomach like wvu or psu or even Louisville in volleyball, but something feels right about playing the cuse.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Also, one other thing. I don’t know what will happen with college sports but no matter what, I hope Pitt and the cuse play each other every year no matter what. They aren’t our biggest rival and I don’t stir up anger in my stomach like wvu or psu or even Louisville in volleyball, but something feels right about playing the cuse.

Pitt Bb hasn’t been the same since leaving The BIG EAST !

The Pete is a beautiful facility , but it’s really too big . An 8000 seat arena would’ve been perfect . I went to a lot of great games at The Field House where it was 2/3 full . At capacity the place really rocked , much more so than the Pete . The only way to fill the Pete on a consistent basis is if Pitt is a top 10 team every year .

Why does Pitt shoot so poorly to start the game , it can’t be pressure because trailing by double digits early certainly ramps up the pressure not decrease it !

Cummings D is getting better , now he just needs to hit his 3’s . He really needs to hit the weight room this off season .

Bottom line …a much needed good win .

 

[Tvax1]

not sure I'd say Zack gave 110% always last year

everything this year say he sure did with his off-season work and in games this year


all I need to know is that JC and Pitt focus on defensive effort and execution in the remaining games first halves and the tine sliver of possibility has a chance

 

[JD1976]

What does Carl Krauser do for a living?

I’m not sure but I was in line at a football game and started up a conversation with a guy and the topic was Carl Krauser for some reason. He said that he is friends with Carl, but that “Carl isn’t a very good guy.” I think he was referring to his family/children situation mostly, but nonetheless he sure did provide some fun basketball memories back in the mid 2000s.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Pitt Bb hasn’t been the same since leaving The BIG EAST !

The Pete is a beautiful facility , but it’s really too big . An 8000 seat arena would’ve been perfect . I went to a lot of great games at The Field House where it was 2/3 full . At capacity the place really rocked , much more so than the Pete . The only way to fill the Pete on a consistent basis is if Pitt is a top 10 team every year .

Why does Pitt shoot so poorly to start the game , it can’t be pressure because trailing by double digits early certainly ramps up the pressure not decrease it !

Cummings D is getting better , now he just needs to hit his 3’s . He really needs to hit the weight room this off season .

Bottom line …a much needed good win .

They need to close the upper deck like they do for the women. Penn State does it. Texas does it. The Pete is too big and fans are never coming back unless we are a legit NC contender and that may never happen again. Texas didn't even open their upper deck for Kentucky last weekend.

If we didn't build that stupid volleyball arena, I thought we should build a smaller 8000-9000 seat arena somewhere else on campus (Syria Mosque?) and built a football stadium on the Pete site. Pitt has a major basketball attendance issue. We may be frustrated with this team but in the grand scheme of things, it's a team worthy of more than 4000-5000 fans per ACC games and 2000-3000 fans per game for OOC games. We probably aren't out-drawing New Castle.

 

[BreakingPitt]

Krauser is the man, i don't know what it is with this generation of kids.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Question is why does this team come out so uninspired and flat just about every game

Today GDGs play was a Microcoim of the team. He looked totally lost for most of the first half. Then it look like someone flipped a switch and he played some of the most physical aggressive defense he’s played since coming to pitt

I don’t know if it’s the shooting that impacts their energy level or their energy level on defense that impacts their shooting. But I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they couldn’t hit the ocean for most of the first half. Then they stared dropping threes and the defensive picked up at the same time

I think the later is the key for this team. Somehow they need to bring it on the other end of the floor ALL game and trust that their shots will eventually fall

Not just GDG, but mostly everyone on the team played much more aggressively in the second half, particularly from about the 9:00 mark. As soon as the defense picked up and we went after rebounds, the offense clicked. The zone helped. Cummings did a fine job last night. Zack, Jaland, they all played better on defense and rebounded much better from midway in the second half.

 

[FIVE4PITT]

The seating capacity is fine just have to win consistently. The Pete is a beautiful arena. It's the same in football have winning teams and the attendance goes up. It the bb team kept winning the Pete be rocking.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The seating capacity is fine just have to win consistently. The Pete is a beautiful arena. It's the same in football have winning teams and the attendance goes up. It the bb team kept winning the Pete be rocking.

It's not just "winning" that will fill the Pete and Acrisure, it's "extreme winning." If we arent a National Championship contender consistently, we won't sell out either venue consistently. You cant be playing in buildings that are so big that only in the event you have a team with a NC chance or you play PSU, WVU, or a blue blood is when you can fill it.

We have had 3 straight bubble teams, roughly equivalent to an 8-4 football teams. Those aren't great teams but they are good enough to be playing in buildings that are mostly full. They shouldn't be playing in buildings that are 1/2 to 2/3 empty.

 

[DT_PITT]

DT_PITT said:

** Perhaps you are one who is hesitant to give Capel credit for tonight’s turnaround, and this is certainly understandable. After all, these incredibly poor starts aren’t just a trend but a trait. Somehow, this feels that there is something wrong with his approach"

Not speaking to the trait of being down double digits in nearly every first half this year, but one thing I've noticed is that Pitt always seems to score better in the second half @ the Pete. Is it that they are playing in front of their bench? Is the lighting better on that end of the court? Is the rim on that basket a little bit looser? I'm sure the statistics will confirm it. Anyone want to do the research to prove me wrong (or correct)?

Just seems weird, that's all ... anyway, as I mentioned to another Pitt fan off line last night, it's more fun to be critical of a bad win than a bad loss

There's still a glimmer of hope for the post-season but I think it's in the NIT unfortunately

And DT: next time you see Peak please tell him never to go on Mark Packer's show again. He visited when the FB team was 7-0 and when the BB team was 12-2. I'd hate to call the moderator of this board a jinx, but ...

H2P!

Haha--I'll let him know!

 

[bobfree]

How about that halftime basketball!

 

[Chairman Moe]

Question is why does this team come out so uninspired and flat just about every game

I don’t know if it’s the shooting that impacts their energy level or their energy level on defense that impacts their shooting. But I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they couldn’t hit the ocean for most of the first half. Then they stared dropping threes and the defensive picked up at the same time

It's definitely the shooting that impacts their energy on defense, IMO. This team is horrible when it comes to transition defense vs being able to set up their defense after a made shot/free throw. As I looked back on the beginning of last night's game, the 22-6 deficit was caused a lot by the missed shots/turnovers, and this manifested itself into a huge defensive funk

 

[PittPharm2002]

Pitt Bb hasn’t been the same since leaving The BIG EAST !

The Pete is a beautiful facility , but it’s really too big . An 8000 seat arena would’ve been perfect . I went to a lot of great games at The Field House where it was 2/3 full . At capacity the place really rocked , much more so than the Pete . The only way to fill the Pete on a consistent basis is if Pitt is a top 10 team every year .

Why does Pitt shoot so poorly to start the game , it can’t be pressure because trailing by double digits early certainly ramps up the pressure not decrease it !

Cummings D is getting better , now he just needs to hit his 3’s . He really needs to hit the weight room this off season .

Bottom line …a much needed good win .

Cummings far more effectively used his long arms to deflect and pester on defense, while keeping in front of his man .

It was a very welcome improvement!

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

An 8000 seat arena would be the third smallest in the ACC. We've averaged 9342 for ACC home games in the Capel era.

"Pitt, NC State, North Carolina, Syracuse and Virginia are the only teams to clear 10,000 fans or more during ACC play. The Panthers fill 83.3% of their venue's listed capacity per contest, the highest rate of any ACC home arena that draws more than 10,000 fans per night."

Pitt Among ACC Leaders in Home Attendance

The Pitt Panthers are averaging the fifth most fans at home in ACC play.

www.si.com

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

We've averaged 9342 for ACC home games in the Capel era.

I can't tell if you are being serious or not.

 

[Islanderpanther]

Pitt Bb hasn’t been the same since leaving The BIG EAST !

The Pete is a beautiful facility , but it’s really too big . An 8000 seat arena would’ve been perfect . I went to a lot of great games at The Field House where it was 2/3 full . At capacity the place really rocked , much more so than the Pete . The only way to fill the Pete on a consistent basis is if Pitt is a top 10 team every year .

Why does Pitt shoot so poorly to start the game , it can’t be pressure because trailing by double digits early certainly ramps up the pressure not decrease it !

Cummings D is getting better , now he just needs to hit his 3’s . He really needs to hit the weight room this off season .

Bottom line …a much needed good win .

It’s not too big….if Pitt were playing consistently well, they would draw more than 8k. You don’t build a facility based on likely crowds if your team stinks.

 

[JS School]

Question is why does this team come out so uninspired and flat just about every game

Today GDGs play was a Microcoim of the team. He looked totally lost for most of the first half. Then it look like someone flipped a switch and he played some of the most physical aggressive defense he’s played since coming to pitt

I don’t know if it’s the shooting that impacts their energy level or their energy level on defense that impacts their shooting. But I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they couldn’t hit the ocean for most of the first half. Then they stared dropping threes and the defensive picked up at the same time

I think the later is the key for this team. Somehow they need to bring it on the other end of the floor ALL game and trust that their shots will eventually fall

I don't think this team wants to win unless it's a dramatic come from behind victory. Maybe they just get a kick out of reading the Pantherlair game thread afterwards.

 

[JS School]

Was this the worst attended Pitt vs Syracuse game ever? Sort of sad.

The crowd was slightly better than I expected.

I go to practically every game, but after walking around for a while outside yesterday, it crossed my mind that watching from my couch with a blanket and glass of scotch wasn't the worst idea I've ever had.

I'm glad I changed my mind, though.

 

[Tvax1]

where's the thread that said they were warned about the language? with games like yesterday I can't consider attending

others likely are unable to suppress their similar jeering

 

[HailToPitt1985]

where's the thread that said they were warned about the language? with games like yesterday I can't consider attending

others likely are unable to suppress their similar jeering

Where was the obscene language and jeering? I was at the game and never noticed anything. But I'm not down on the floor either, so I wouldn't hear what the Zoo was saying.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I can't tell if you are being serious or not.

Yes because those are tickets sold. If you had an 8000 person arena and sold 7000, only 5000 would show up which would be even worse. The Pete is a very good size, especially for when we are winning (or playing WVU, Duke, Unc.)

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yes because those are tickets sold. If you had an 8000 person arena and sold 7000, only 5000 would show up which would be even worse. The Pete is a very good size, especially for when we are winning (or playing WVU, Duke, Unc.)

Let me let you in on a little secret. No they're not. It's a 100% made-up number pulled out of thin air. Football too. Everyone does this. Not just Pitt. Remember the investigative report on Kentucky football attendance?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

No and I don't care to. My point is there are a certain amount of people (like many in my row) who are fellow season ticket holders and don't show up to a lot of games. If you had a bizarrely smaller than Boston College sized basketball arena, these empty seats would be an even bigger problem as a percentage of the arena in addition to taking away from our cap for big time games or when we're good.

 

[Richard A]

Let me let you in on a little secret. No they're not. It's a 100% made-up number pulled out of thin air. Football too. Everyone does this. Not just Pitt. Remember the investigative report on Kentucky football attendance?

In hockey and baseball they go by tickets sold. That’s what they announce as the attendance. Then they do an actual count based on the turnstile count. In the NFL they do an actual count and the no shows. I’m sure Pitt football goes by tickets sold. I’ve been at Pitt games that attendance announced is not the actual attendance. I’m sure all of you have probably said “it looked more like 35k” than the announced attendance as 45k.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No and I don't care to. My point is there are a certain amount of people (like many in my row) who are fellow season ticket holders and don't show up to a lot of games. If you had a bizarrely smaller than Boston College sized basketball arena, these empty seats would be an even bigger problem as a percentage of the arena in addition to taking away from our cap for big time games or when we're good.

You build an arena you can consistently fill during normal times not in the hopes you become Duke for a decade, as we did. The compromise is to due what Texas did and build one without the intention of using the upper deck so they make it look so good that you don't even know there is an upper deck. It is ridiculously stupid that Pitt uses all available seating for football and basketball. And it's driving ticket prices down so far, that I have to give up my season tickets. Tickets were listed at $1 yesterday in the upper deck. Attendance is a major problem. Something needs done beyond just becoming a Top 10 program overnight. I get the WVU emails and they are selling out when they are just a little bit better than a bubble team.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

You build an arena you can consistently fill during normal times not in the hopes you become Duke for a decade, as we did. The compromise is to due what Texas did and build one without the intention of using the upper deck so they make it look so good that you don't even know there is an upper deck. It is ridiculously stupid that Pitt uses all available seating for football and basketball. And it's driving ticket prices down so far, that I have to give up my season tickets. Tickets were listed at $1 yesterday in the upper deck. Attendance is a major problem. Something needs done beyond just becoming a Top 10 program overnight. I get the WVU emails and they are selling out when they are just a little bit better than a bubble team.

Our basketball arena is smaller than that of like Dayton, Boise State, Ohio, Cleveland State. It's an entirely reasonable and very nice facility that fills up pretty well even in a good year, not just an elite one.

Acisure is not a good size for Pitt football generally but it's been debated to death.

 

[Jersey Al64]

I’m not sure but I was in line at a football game and started up a conversation with a guy and the topic was Carl Krauser for some reason. He said that he is friends with Carl, but that “Carl isn’t a very good guy.” I think he was referring to his family/children situation mostly, but nonetheless he sure did provide some fun basketball memories back in the mid 2000s.

My son always jokes about If Krauser is still playing. Does the same thing with Palko for football.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I’m sure Pitt football goes by tickets sold.

No, they don't. Ostensibly they go by tickets distributed, meaning that if they give away 1,000 tickets and none of those people show up they still count in the attendance. But the reality is that they are just making things up as they go. Like many other people do.

 

[Richard A]

No, they don't. Ostensibly they go by tickets distributed, meaning that if they give away 1,000 tickets and none of those people show up they still count in the attendance. But the reality is that they are just making things up as they go. Like many other

No, they don't. Ostensibly they go by tickets distributed, meaning that if they give away 1,000 tickets and none of those people show up they still count in the attendance. But the reality is that they are just making things up as they go. Like many other people do.

I know that it’s all part of tickets sold whether or not if it’s giveaways or actual tickets sold. It’s all grouped together. The announced attendance is not the actual turnstile count. They can announce 45k but only 35k came through the turnstile.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I know that it’s all part of tickets sold whether or not if it’s giveaways or actual tickets sold. It’s all grouped together. The announced attendance is not the actual turnstile count. They can announce 45k but only 35k came through the turnstile.

At Pitt they can announce 45k when only 20K came through the turnstile.

And not only can they do they, they almost certainly have done that.

 

[Richard A]

At Pitt they can announce 45k when only 20K came through the turnstile.

And not only can they do they, they almost certainly have done that.

In my years of going to the football games at both Pitt Stadium and Heinz/Acusure there was so many times when the announced crowd was no where close to how many people were actually there. MLB stated many years ago that they stopped doing actual turnstile attendance but announced the tickets sold. Ever watch a Pirate game in September and the announced crowd is 12k but when they show the stands it looks like about 3k.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

MLB stated many years ago that they stopped doing actual turnstile attendance but announced the tickets sold. Ever watch a Pirate game in September and the announced crowd is 12k but when they show the stands it looks like about 3k.

Years ago the National League used to announce two numbers, the number of tickets distributed and the actual turnstile count. They stopped doing that for two reasons. First, the American League only announced the tickets distributed number, and the NL owners thought it made them look bad to announce the lower number. And the visiting teams actually get a cut of the gate, and that cut was based on the total number of tickets, not the number of people through the turnstile, so they decided it was easier/less confusing just to announce that one number.