DJB you do realize that when you say Psu isn't very good that really you'd saying Pitt isn't very good either.You were anywhere from 4 to 9 1/2 point favorites right?In front of the biggest crowd ever at a Pitt game and you won by 3 points.If a very catchable ball was caught with less than two minutes to go you probably lose but Psu is terrible?You have 3 NFL offensive lineman,the Acc player of the year,two Acc freshman of the year plus the best coach in the Acc and you won by 3.Every game I ever won I bragged up the other team the best I could but you Pitters are just different I guess?Congrats on a "Good" win,believe me they"re all good.Enjoy the victory!
That wasn't a good team we beat
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Penn St is a pretty good team, as is Pitt.
That's part of the problem, these teams have for the most part been "pretty good" for the past 20 years.
Pitt fans realize this and hope for better days, but most PSU fans seem to still believe that they are something more. They're not.
That's part of the problem, these teams have for the most part been "pretty good" for the past 20 years.
Pitt fans realize this and hope for better days, but most PSU fans seem to still believe that they are something more. They're not.
Gotta love the first half play calling by Canada, though. Second half was a bit puzzling, though. Pitt got away from what PSU could not stop: The jet sweep (with Henderson and Whitehead).
Some stupid and costly penalties (glad to see Narduzzi pointed this out after the game) which stopped drives on offense and ended up helping PSU get back in the game.
It was a bit concerning to see how open some of the PSU receivers were in the second half. Either some of Pitt's DBs are just too slow or they were simply out of position. Either way, this needs to be corrected or Pitt could be in a world of trouble against a great passing team.
Peterman looked good with his decision making (particularly in the first half) but he is going to need to show he can throw accurately down field more often.
Overall, The team played with a lot of heart. The DL did a nice job and the OL looked pretty solid. Conner is looking closer to his old self. The other RBs are looking pretty good. Orndoff was solid, though it'd be great to see the ball thrown to him a bit more. Adding a few more carries for Whitehead on offense could only help. Maybe 4-5, so Pitt takes gets a little more from of its best athlete, without tiring him out to much for defense.
Happy about a good win and a great start with the offense and defense.
Peterman is going to need to show he can throw the ball accurately down field more often and that he can finish games strong. He did do a lot of little things well earlier in the game that helped his team build a big lead. That was promising.
After seeing some of the impressive plays by both squads yesterday, I came out of the game thinking Pitt may win 9+ games this season. I also thought PSU showed awesome resolve and fight and made some impressive plays. I see PSU winning 8+ games this year too. I like their QB and Barkley's a beast. In my view, they look much improved offensively. The best they've looked since McGloin had a nice year there.
I couldn't disagree more with the OP. PSU is a very solid squad that will not only make a bowl but will likely play in a decent bowl. They won't beat tOSU or Michigan. BUT, I could see them upending both Sparty and Iowa though.
Both teams are growing and have yet to jell. That game alone provided a lot of growing for both of them.
I couldn't disagree more with the OP. PSU is a very solid squad that will not only make a bowl but will likely play in a decent bowl. They won't beat tOSU or Michigan. BUT, I could see them upending both Sparty and Iowa though.
Both teams are growing and have yet to jell. That game alone provided a lot of growing for both of them.
I didn't think PSU was very good either, but I've changed my mind on that. That was a damn good team. I think they more proved my point that Hackenberg really just was that bad. Pretty good team, but yeah Franklin is still a pretty lousy coach. Regardless, one of the best games I've ever seen.
I don't see them winning 8 games. They have MI. MI st, OSU and Iowa yet. Those are going to be tough games. They are weak on the OL, DL and LB. Thats not a good thing against those 4 teams. I think it would be a success to be 1-3 vs those teams(that wouldn't be a bad record for a lot of teams against those 4) to win 8 they would have to go 1-3 then win every other game. Now the rest of the teams aren't great but I don't see them winning more than 7. Pitt was their shot at 8.
Call it whatever you want, it was the most important win for the Pitt program in a long time.
Judge them by where they are in November.
Agree. That said, three of those four are at home. I don't see them beating tOSU or UM. But, I do think they'll at least split with Sparty and Iowa (both games at Beaver Stadium).
Agree that Barkley is a stud. I don't think the scheme PSU is using is very helpful to him though. With the read option it's like he is always practically standing still when the ball is handed to him. I was fine with that yesterday. 
Barkley has size and speed, but I did expect him to be a bit more elusive. Still, I'd say he's better than the Pitt backs. I like Conner and Ollison, but I see them as strictly power backs -- they lack the lateral quickness to make people miss.
Go Pitt.
Barkley has size and speed, but I did expect him to be a bit more elusive. Still, I'd say he's better than the Pitt backs. I like Conner and Ollison, but I see them as strictly power backs -- they lack the lateral quickness to make people miss.
Go Pitt.
Agree, Majors. That said, I expect PSU's offense will continue to evolve as the season progresses. Only their second game with the new scheme/coordinator. In saying that, I say the same applies to the Pitt offense as well.
I agree & disagree about Hack & Franklin. I think Franklin is a quality coach. I think Hack obviously has a golden arm, but Hack & Franklin/PSU was a bad marriage set up for failure. There is no system that can make a QB that is as immobile as Hack look good behind an OL that was as putrid as PSU's has been the last couple of seasons. I'll say this for Franklin, I saw something 2 games into the McSorely era that I never saw in JF's first two years at PSU, and that is an actual offensive identity. Time will tell if Hack has what it takes upstairs to succeed at the next level. I don't think its fair to judge by what we saw of him in college.
I think it was a great team with two rivals that wanted it very badly. I'm not completely sold on how good either team is. I think we have to see how the season plays out first. Pitt has a great opportunity in these next two games.
TD_6082, post: 1575107, member: 510"]I agree & disagree about Hack & Franklin. I think Franklin is a quality coach. I think Hack obviously has a golden arm, but Hack & Franklin/PSU was a bad marriage set up for failure.
Fair enough!
There is no system that can make a QB that is as immobile as Hack look good behind an OL that was as putrid as PSU's has been the last couple of seasons.
OK, acceptable comment as well.
I'll say this for Franklin, I saw something 2 games into the McSorely era that I never saw in JF's first two years at PSU, and that is an actual offensive identity.
I feel they had that last year too, but Franklin couldn't perfect it!
Time will tell if Hack has what it takes upstairs to succeed at the next level. I don't think its fair to judge by what we saw of him in college.
Agree!
I think it was a great team with two rivals that wanted it very badly. I'm not completely sold on how good either team is. I think we have to see how the season plays out first. Pitt has a great opportunity in these next two games.
Fair enough again!
So how many Games does Franklin win this year with PSU New Offense ID?
I have Coach Pat & Staff going 11-3, or 10-4! Losing only to Clemson, Miami, ACC Atlantic Champ and possible Bowl Game!
Fair enough!
There is no system that can make a QB that is as immobile as Hack look good behind an OL that was as putrid as PSU's has been the last couple of seasons.
OK, acceptable comment as well.
I'll say this for Franklin, I saw something 2 games into the McSorely era that I never saw in JF's first two years at PSU, and that is an actual offensive identity.
I feel they had that last year too, but Franklin couldn't perfect it!
Time will tell if Hack has what it takes upstairs to succeed at the next level. I don't think its fair to judge by what we saw of him in college.
Agree!
I think it was a great team with two rivals that wanted it very badly. I'm not completely sold on how good either team is. I think we have to see how the season plays out first. Pitt has a great opportunity in these next two games.
Fair enough again!
So how many Games does Franklin win this year with PSU New Offense ID?
I have Coach Pat & Staff going 11-3, or 10-4! Losing only to Clemson, Miami, ACC Atlantic Champ and possible Bowl Game!
I was very complimentary about Barkley to the few PSU fans around me. He is a stud, he kept them in the game. He has a second gear, but im not sure who i would compare him to if he were a Panther...
Obviously you do not! Wait and see over the next 4-5 games to see what both Pitt and PSU does!
I don't know Capt. As I said, I'm sold on either team. Both teams have some serious issues. Obviously, neither the pollsters nor Vegas were impressed with either team yesterday. We will just have to see how things play out. The next two are big and games we need to win for it to be a special season.
I was looking at PSU's roster earlier and I think they only have 12 seniors in this class. I think Michigan & tOSU will beat the Nits easily. They should be competitive in the rest of their games and win somewhere between 6 & 8 games.
I was looking at PSU's roster earlier and I think they only have 12 seniors in this class. I think Michigan & tOSU will beat the Nits easily. They should be competitive in the rest of their games and win somewhere between 6 & 8 games.
Well, I see the opposite on Pitt getting better under Narduzzi and of course I could be wrong?
So, PSU is at
Kent State 1-0
Pitt 1-1
Temple Toss Up Win 2-1
Michigan LOST 2-2
Minnesota Toss Up 3-2 or 2-3
Maryland Toss Up 4-2 or 3-3 or 2-4
OFF TWO WEEKS
Then by games 6 to 8 they should be pretty good if you are correct with that ID....that will leave
OSU, Lost 4-3, 3-4, 2-5
Purdue, Win 5-3, 4-4, 3-5
Iowa, Lost 5-4, 4-5, 3-6
Indiana, Toss Up Win 6-4, 5-5, 4-6
Rutgers, Toss Up Win 7-4, 6-5, 5-6
MSU Lost 8-4, 7-5, 6-6
McSorley should be improving every game and so should Sanders and the OL and Defense!
Here is what Dave Jones says about Penn State for 2016:
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Well, folks, get ready to join the trend. On college football's freeway, Penn State appears poised to swerve from grandpa row clear across to the passing lane in one season. It's entirely plausible that yesterday's 42-39 pinball match with Pitt will become the new normal. And that's not normal. Not at this school. Know how many other times Penn State has scored 39 and lost? Never. It's never happened before, not once, all the way back to 1890........
I think Penn State is in the process of becoming Indiana, at least for this season. Same sort of offense; same sort of defense. Who would have believed that even last year? Get your mind around it, Penn State fans. It will take some getting used to. But, like it or not, modern college football has finally arrived at this port. A little late, but with emphasis.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo..._penn_state_scored_39.html#incart_river_index
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Captain, what kind of identity did you see in PSU's offense last year. I thought it was a trainwreck from day 1 through the entire season.
I had no clue really and why I posted over and over all kinds of Website Predictions on Moorhead Offense so others could clue me in and decided not to put any money on the game.
I was very worried that Pitt Defense could not handle Moorhead's Godwin, Hamilton, Barkley, and Sanders? Also, saw much Confidence on McSorely Face during part of the Kent State game.
I was also clueless how Matt Canada would handle New OC with Peterman but very confident Pitt's OL, TE, and RB would come through!
Additionally, I was very worried PSU LBs and DBs would be much better but PSU DLs was weak and young? But my major concern was Pitt Special teams Kicker missing 2 kicks in Nova Game and PSU Kicker making his last 10 of 10?.
My earlier Pre-season Prediction was Penn State 29 Pitt 27 but then I went to WASH. DC with a PSU Lawyer friend that told me many things he saw up close as Big Booster. (At Voice of America that was founded by Roosevelt in 1942, and run by Actor Housman as it first Director.) I mention I like McSorely. He said, something to me. He said he saw Trace's Hands and they are small, his Arm is not that strong for deep passes, and he won't be able to take many hits and is slow on the run???? This is from a very successful PSU Grad that loves PSU! I changed my Prediction Right There and when i got back to the Office. My PSU long Ears are bigger than Mountaineers!
I read more on Franklin Preparation, and started to feel the Narduzzi Bushwhacking Arrogance & Ignorance Trap Set for Big Talking Jimmy and Pitt to win by 8....35-27 to quit call a great Bookie that lives in Youngstown!
So, I put most of my Confidence in Pitt Coaching Staff is longer coaching Pitt Players together by all coaches after one year versus 4 New PSU Coaches joining Franklin in DC Pry, OC Moorhead, OLC Limegrover, and DBC Banks?
I also knew that Coach Pat & Staff Narduzzi would out coach Franklin & Staff arrogance and was right on that and still think Narduzzi is here to stay at Pitt and Franklin will flame out at Penn State. I was quite surprised how good OC Canada did too because I had no clue after watching the Nova Game? But I Knew Nova was better than Kent State too!
I still see confidence in Moorhead Quiet Thinking Offense, but PSU Defense is now in shambles and reminds me of all Miami Dolphins Great Marino Teams that can score fast but Defense gets tired?
I also think if anything happens to Godwin or Hamilton, the Moorhead Offense will be offset fast and could fall apart and the play calling was not that good as Pitt Offense even without Wideouts and fewer passes.
I see Pitt offense actually getting better and better making steady progress so long as Peterman is safe with no injuries? The Wideouts will break out this week is my Prediction. Orndoff is a Big Weapon too, much Like Health Miller was to Big Ben.
Narduzzi & Canada are brilliant together and are having so much Fun and Passion with team.
It is not work to them they are loose as a goose and the Player's love them and love playing together and in the film rooms every night! Narduzzi is like another Dantonio, Lombardi, Gagliardi, and Paterno, and few will outwork him.
Franklin is uptight, confused, and just realizes he is in over his Head and just hands his team off to his OC & DC in hopes Moorhead Offense makes him Wins again? He is a Great Recruiter but not a complete Head Coach for a Top 25 Program as Powerful as Penn State going up against Powerful Programs with Great Elite Coaches in MSU, OSU, and Michigan.
Penn State in Helter Skelter Mode Game to Game? McSorely may not finish the season the OL is better under Moorhead's System with McSorley but a work in progress all season long as they have to adapt to many more Big Ten great coaches at Iowa, UM, MSU, and OSU and i include Ash & Durkin in there?
Penn State may lose many Players to injuries in Moorhead Spread too. Godwin and Hamilton were hit hard and often came up tipsy? Barkley got 5 TDs but rushed under 100 yards and McSorely dropped and fumbled? Even Godwin and Hamilton did not look that great and weer under used?
If that is the PSU Offensive ID you were surprised to see so be it, but because you were surprised you may have Rose Color Glasses going back to when PSU Uniforms were Pink & Black losing after scoring 39 Points?
Additionally, McSorely & Franklin may lose many Juniors to the NFL Draft like Godwin and Hamilton and that will put PSU in the same position as Pitt is now without Boyd but in 2017?
This is why I think Franklin is in trouble and once again my PSU Lawyer Friend says Former PSU Players don't feel Franklin is a complete Head Coach either?
So you or me will know more after the Temple Game and if you feel Franklin has a great Offensive ID he should be 9-3 or 8-4 this year and we shall see? I admit when I am wrong, no shame in learning without it?
Always enjoy posting with you BTW here is my take on PITT Season now:
PITT REST OF SEASON LINK:
https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-rest-of-season-after-seeing-first-two-games.95489/
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You're joking, right? That was one of the best, most relevant Pitt games in years, an instant classic that will never be forgotten.
OK State lost to Central Michigan, wow.
Most of those kids are 4-5* recruits, so talent wise they have ability. I see Wartman-White shake off blocks and make a stop like he's Poszlusny, then the next play he's overpursuing and completely out of his lane. It really is a coaching thing.
In answer to your questions (just an honest answer)
1-Our DB's are the strength of our defense. If I was Pitt, I'd have ran the ball all day too.
2-Pitt was selling out to stop Barkley, and you have a good DL on top of that to make things even tougher for him. That opened up the passing game.
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LuvDaLions, post: 1576073, member: 12696"]In answer to your questions (just an honest answer)
1-Our DB's are the strength of our defense. If I was Pitt, I'd have ran the ball all day too.
Thanks for that Info, I think you miss DC Shoop too, don't you think? he is a terrific Dc in waiting as i can see? How Many DBs will be leaving PSU fin 2017 for the NFL!
I know Pitt lost Ford its best Wideout early!
2-Pitt was selling out to stop Barkley, and you have a good DL on top of that to make things even tougher for him. That opened up the passing game.
Agree, plus they could contain McSorley and chased him down a number of time. Pitt is still rebuilding its Defense in Progress.
Do you know how many juniors and seniors you can lose next year?
Great University and pleasure and privilege to play Penn State again, and post anytime on FB. Good luck the rest of the season!
1-Our DB's are the strength of our defense. If I was Pitt, I'd have ran the ball all day too.
Thanks for that Info, I think you miss DC Shoop too, don't you think? he is a terrific Dc in waiting as i can see? How Many DBs will be leaving PSU fin 2017 for the NFL!
I know Pitt lost Ford its best Wideout early!
2-Pitt was selling out to stop Barkley, and you have a good DL on top of that to make things even tougher for him. That opened up the passing game.
Agree, plus they could contain McSorley and chased him down a number of time. Pitt is still rebuilding its Defense in Progress.
Do you know how many juniors and seniors you can lose next year?
Great University and pleasure and privilege to play Penn State again, and post anytime on FB. Good luck the rest of the season!
In defense of Wartman White, he played outside two seasons ago. Moved to middle last year, but had season ending injury in first half of opener. Moved back to outside for this season, then back to middle for Pitt game when Cabinda got hurt vs Kent State. I thought he played well for the most part, but ran himself out of the play on TD shuttle pass to Conner.
What about some Juniors like Godwin & Hamilton going into the NFL Draft? Pitt really is rebuilding its Wideouts after losing Boyd that way? I saw many Juniors on the Roster? There seems to be gaps from Franklin's selective recruiting too in his first year?
Great Info again and keep posting to share to learn on the Lair. The remainder of the season for Penn State & Pitt challenges now remains to be seen. The close score has united many Alumni & Fans to keep playing and looking forward to a better game next year at Beaver Stadium.
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Good luck!
Great Info again and keep posting to share to learn on the Lair. The remainder of the season for Penn State & Pitt challenges now remains to be seen. The close score has united many Alumni & Fans to keep playing and looking forward to a better game next year at Beaver Stadium.
Great Game, Great Comments & Greater Futures fr returns to Top 25 Winning and Championship Participation together since no downside playing as OOC Games now!
Good luck!
I honestly dont know why anyone thinks strength of team is the major concern for rival games.
It really doesnt matter if PSU was awesome or awful... we wouldnt have seen much of a difference. Unless there is some ungodly turnover rate, these games will be good.
Bottom line is we won. We arent a team for the ages, have holes all over the place and played a very good game. WVU was so much better than our team during the 13-9 game. Sometime will wins out, thats that.
By the way... the notion that Pitt was selling out to beat Barkley and that is why the pass option was there...
A Narduzzi team is built on running the ball and stopping the run. He has said that in the past, and will say it in the future. We will always stop the run first (OK, made not this coming week). I didnt see us doing anything special to stop Barkley, did anyone else? Very little run blitzing, very little safety blitzes. If anything, much less than against Villanova
It really doesnt matter if PSU was awesome or awful... we wouldnt have seen much of a difference. Unless there is some ungodly turnover rate, these games will be good.
Bottom line is we won. We arent a team for the ages, have holes all over the place and played a very good game. WVU was so much better than our team during the 13-9 game. Sometime will wins out, thats that.
By the way... the notion that Pitt was selling out to beat Barkley and that is why the pass option was there...
A Narduzzi team is built on running the ball and stopping the run. He has said that in the past, and will say it in the future. We will always stop the run first (OK, made not this coming week). I didnt see us doing anything special to stop Barkley, did anyone else? Very little run blitzing, very little safety blitzes. If anything, much less than against Villanova
Good it will make Coach Pat & Staff and Pitt team a tougher test! I want Pitt playing the Best and beating the Best and when those Teams should be at their Best!
I see no fear in Coach Pat Eyes when talking to the Media on the upcoming Game, and I think he wants to have more Fun to meet that challenge!
"President Stache, post: 1577244, member: 27950"]I honestly dont know why anyone thinks strength of team is the major concern for rival games.
It really doesnt matter if PSU was awesome or awful... we wouldnt have seen much of a difference. Unless there is some ungodly turnover rate, these games will be good.
Exactly right, Rival Games are more unpredictable than any other Games. Bookies won't tell you that but they know it!
Bottom line is we won. We arent a team for the ages, have holes all over the place and played a very good game. WVU was so much better than our team during the 13-9 game. Sometime will wins out, thats that.
Spot on!
By the way... the notion that Pitt was selling out to beat Barkley and that is why the pass option was there...A Narduzzi team is built on running the ball and stopping the run. He has said that in the past, and will say it in the future. We will always stop the run first (OK, made not this coming week). I didnt see us doing anything special to stop Barkley, did anyone else? Very little run blitzing, very little safety blitzes. If anything, much less than against Villanova.
The facts are so far in Pitt's Narduzzi Era of Football, Pitt has won some Games on Defense, and lost some too, and Pitt has won some on Offense Bold Play Calling, and is still building up both Units and So Little Done and So Much more to do?
There is no "Selling Out Strategies", just finding, coaching and playing the game and sometimes executing and sometimes missing and making mistakes. It is just one Play at a Time and Defensive Players have to React what is going on at That time and Executing all Game Long!
2015:
IOWA, UNC & MIAMI all decided by 4 to 5 Plays by both Defense & Offense missed Plays at different times in the those Games could have been Wins but learned from the losses. Only ND & NAVY were lost from start to finish!
YSU, VT, UVA, GT, CUSE all decided by 4 to 5 Plays on both Defense and Offense made at critical Times that won those games! Only AKRON, DUKE & ULOU had Pitt winning from start to finish and ULou came back and up short much as Penn State.
It really doesnt matter if PSU was awesome or awful... we wouldnt have seen much of a difference. Unless there is some ungodly turnover rate, these games will be good.
Exactly right, Rival Games are more unpredictable than any other Games. Bookies won't tell you that but they know it!
Bottom line is we won. We arent a team for the ages, have holes all over the place and played a very good game. WVU was so much better than our team during the 13-9 game. Sometime will wins out, thats that.
Spot on!
By the way... the notion that Pitt was selling out to beat Barkley and that is why the pass option was there...A Narduzzi team is built on running the ball and stopping the run. He has said that in the past, and will say it in the future. We will always stop the run first (OK, made not this coming week). I didnt see us doing anything special to stop Barkley, did anyone else? Very little run blitzing, very little safety blitzes. If anything, much less than against Villanova.
The facts are so far in Pitt's Narduzzi Era of Football, Pitt has won some Games on Defense, and lost some too, and Pitt has won some on Offense Bold Play Calling, and is still building up both Units and So Little Done and So Much more to do?
There is no "Selling Out Strategies", just finding, coaching and playing the game and sometimes executing and sometimes missing and making mistakes. It is just one Play at a Time and Defensive Players have to React what is going on at That time and Executing all Game Long!
2015:
IOWA, UNC & MIAMI all decided by 4 to 5 Plays by both Defense & Offense missed Plays at different times in the those Games could have been Wins but learned from the losses. Only ND & NAVY were lost from start to finish!
YSU, VT, UVA, GT, CUSE all decided by 4 to 5 Plays on both Defense and Offense made at critical Times that won those games! Only AKRON, DUKE & ULOU had Pitt winning from start to finish and ULou came back and up short much as Penn State.
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