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[Sean Miller Fan]

PLEASE tell me your willing to put money on this. Put me down for $100... I get Michigan, you get PSU... straight up, no point spread.

You want me to put my money on Franklin to beat a good team? Yea right. I just think Mich is crazy overrated and wont be able to score 20 points on Shoop's roided up D.

PSU 20
Mich 17

I wouldnt bet on it, though I think some of you are giving Mich way too much credit.

 

[TD_6082]

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Honestly though, its not a tough sell if you are JF. If you're Franklin, you tell the kid that if he goes to Pitt, he is going to be a workhorse from day one. Tell him he is going to get tons of carries and be counted on to be the man. ...Then remind him of how running backs only have so many carries and talk about the toll it has on his body. You tell If he comes to PSU, he gets to share the load with Barkley, still have plenty of chances to shine, preserve his body for a longer career in the NFL and make millions more by not having to carry the whole damn load from day one. That's the selling point. Point to Alabama as the model.

 

[FreeportPanther]

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Honestly though, its not a tough sell if you are JF. If you're Franklin, you tell the kid that if he goes to Pitt, he is going to be a workhorse from day one. Tell him he is going to get tons of carries and be counted on to be the man. ...Then remind him of how running backs only have so many carries and talk about the toll it has on his body. You tell If he comes to PSU, he gets to share the load with Barkley, still have plenty of chances to shine, preserve his body for a longer career in the NFL and make millions more by not having to carry the whole damn load from day one. That's the selling point. Point to Alabama as the model.

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Sure you do! How's the air up Franklin's butt?
BTW, your rationale is BS. You don't get noticed by the NFL being a backup or sitting on the bench.....get real!

 

[VAPITTALUM]

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Honestly though, its not a tough sell if you are JF. If you're Franklin, you tell the kid that if he goes to Pitt, he is going to be a workhorse from day one. Tell him he is going to get tons of carries and be counted on to be the man. ...Then remind him of how running backs only have so many carries and talk about the toll it has on his body. You tell If he comes to PSU, he gets to share the load with Barkley, still have plenty of chances to shine, preserve his body for a longer career in the NFL and make millions more by not having to carry the whole damn load from day one. That's the selling point. Point to Alabama as the model.

Yeah, and the easy rebuttal is: how many RBs has PSU put in the NFL vs. PITT in the last 10 years?

 

[OriginalEther]

You want me to put my money on Franklin to beat a good team? Yea right. I just think Mich is crazy overrated and wont be able to score 20 points on Shoop's roided up D.

PSU 20
Mich 17

I wouldnt bet on it, though I think some of you are giving Mich way too much credit.

Didn't an offensively challenged Northwestern team - that Michigan destroyed - score 23 on psu?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Honestly though, its not a tough sell if you are JF. If you're Franklin, you tell the kid that if he goes to Pitt, he is going to be a workhorse from day one. Tell him he is going to get tons of carries and be counted on to be the man. ...Then remind him of how running backs only have so many carries and talk about the toll it has on his body. You tell If he comes to PSU, he gets to share the load with Barkley, still have plenty of chances to shine, preserve his body for a longer career in the NFL and make millions more by not having to carry the whole damn load from day one. That's the selling point. Point to Alabama as the model.

Franklin should not be selling that and Sanders should not be buying it?

All they do on BWI is talk about Barkley for next year and even these last 2 Games???? Franklin & OC too!

I recall telling you about Barkley and many more that never thought he would be this good this soon? Yet, he runs 200+ yards and Penn State still loses that game, due to Franklin's Coaching???

Yet, Barkley has been injured and beat up because of PSU weak OL, the better example Sanders should look at is.....Shady McCoy is the better example and how he changed his life by going to Pitt and the NFL better than any Penn State Back the last 10 years?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Yeah, and the easy rebuttal is: how many RBs has PSU put in the NFL vs. PITT in the last 10 years?

I posted my response before reading your own that was spot on, even Dion Lewis doing great in the NFL at New England!

 

[PittME75]

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Honestly though, its not a tough sell if you are JF. If you're Franklin, you tell the kid that if he goes to Pitt, he is going to be a workhorse from day one. Tell him he is going to get tons of carries and be counted on to be the man. ...Then remind him of how running backs only have so many carries and talk about the toll it has on his body. You tell If he comes to PSU, he gets to share the load with Barkley, still have plenty of chances to shine, preserve his body for a longer career in the NFL and make millions more by not having to carry the whole damn load from day one. That's the selling point. Point to Alabama as the model.

Work horse? Let's see, against Duke seven players split 58 carries. This offense hardly depends on a work horse at running back, nor have they been shown to overuse a running back. Franklin may be able to sell refrigerators to Eskimos, but I don't see how this is an easy sell. Maybe you should watch a Pitt game once in awhile, especially when your boys have a bye week.

 

[Safety Blitz]

Yeah, and the easy rebuttal is: how many RBs has PSU put in the NFL vs. PITT in the last 10 years?

Meaningless because both schools have completely different coaching staffs and playbooks than they've had in the past. Neither the Pitt script nor the plain white helmet determine success at the next level. Pitt backs have had more NFL success in the PAST 10 years, but that is meaningless moving forward when all the key factors have changed.

 

[TD_6082]

Work horse? Let's see, against Duke seven players split 58 carries. This offense hardly depends on a work horse at running back, nor have they been shown to overuse a running back. Franklin may be able to sell refrigerators to Eskimos, but I don't see how this is an easy sell. Maybe you should watch a Pitt game once in awhile, especially when your boys have a bye week.

Duh. That's because we don't have an elite RB. There is a reason we have so many carries going to WRs, converted Safteys, and whoever else can provide a little explosiveness in the running game. If Sanders is all that he is made out to be, its not in Pitt's best interest to have near as many carries going to pedestrian backs like James and Ollison.

Check out Alabama. Derrick Henry is an absolute workhorse for the Tide. That's great for Bama and Henry is more than up to the challenge. However, it would probably be a little more ideal for his longevity to be in a situation like he was in last year with TJ Yeldon, where the distribution of carries was a lot more even.

BTW, I was in Durham Saturday.

 

[PittME75]

Duh. That's because we don't have an elite RB. There is a reason we have so many carries going to WRs, converted Safteys, and whoever else can provide a little explosiveness in the running game. If Sanders is all that he is made out to be, its not in Pitt's best interest to have near as many carries going to pedestrian backs like James and Ollison.

Check out Alabama. Derrick Henry is an absolute workhorse for the Tide. That's great for Bama and Henry is more than up to the challenge. However, it would probably be a little more ideal for his longevity to be in a situation like he was in last year with TJ Yeldon, where the distribution of carries was a lot more even.

BTW, I was in Durham Saturday.

Alabama is not Pitt. Franklin can make no claims of how Sanders would be utilized at Pitt. None.

 

[TD_6082]

Alabama is not Pitt. Franklin can make no claims of how Sanders would be utilized at Pitt. None.

But you know he will. All coaches do that.

 

[UPitt129]

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Honestly though, its not a tough sell if you are JF. If you're Franklin, you tell the kid that if he goes to Pitt, he is going to be a workhorse from day one. Tell him he is going to get tons of carries and be counted on to be the man. ...Then remind him of how running backs only have so many carries and talk about the toll it has on his body. You tell If he comes to PSU, he gets to share the load with Barkley, still have plenty of chances to shine, preserve his body for a longer career in the NFL and make millions more by not having to carry the whole damn load from day one. That's the selling point. Point to Alabama as the model.

This is the most convoluted logic of all time. Tell someone not to go to pitt because they will get too much playing time?

You really want to claim you're not a nitter?

 

[UPitt129]

Michigan an 11 point favorite. As usual SMFail not even close.

 

[PittME75]

But you know he will. All coaches do that.

So then why wouldn't Franklin continue to do that? All coaches do that.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Alabama is not Pitt. Franklin can make no claims of how Sanders would be utilized at Pitt. None.

Good point, in addition, another Top Recruit from the Region went to Alabama over Pitt, and has not played much and was actually hurt when he did play, in the name of Robert Foster and I respect his choice to choose Bama!

Yet, Foster Career at Bama has not come close to Tyler Boyd's at Pitt by any fair measurement, and Pitt has out produced Bama and Penn State by putting Higher Quality Players in the NFL and more Record Breaking NCAA Players in CFB too.

Smart Recruits go where they can play right away and become Smarter Millionaires ending up playing in the NFL that way too and that choice is a Life Learning Event of success as much as any and better than others choosing to go where they wait to play later!

I don't mind if a Recruit wants to go to a College Football Program for any reason, whether it is because the big Attendance, Winning Conference National Championships, choosing an Academic Program or wanting to be a better Football Player in the NCAA or NFL!

However, quit making excuses for the Recruits and Players that became a Never Was or NFL BUST because they fell for playing before 100,000 people and Conference and National Championships that never happen, like Nick Marmo, Tony Morrelli or a Robert foster that their College Careers & NFL Dreams, did not turn out as they thought it would be by going to CFB Program where they did not play much to play anywhere?

Meanwhile, the Fathers of Fitzgerald and McCoy made sure they went to CFB Program where they would catch more passes than at Ohio State for Fitz, and learn to run as a Freshmen to NFL Player of the Year for McCoy and that was PITT IS IT for them and many more like Revis, Donald, and Whitehead just to name a few the last 10 Years!

I disagree with TD-6082 that in my view brought up Bama because he forget about all the Penn State Record of NFL Busts, and Penn State has not played in many Conference or National Titles since 1986 either like Bama lately, and why Foster picked them, as he did and that was fine with me.

Life choices matter and playing faster at Pitt has not hurt those that chose Pitt either and having money in one's pocket is better than putting out money on injuries where not one Fan in those 100,000 seats will help you either?

Whether Foster made a poor choice remains to be seen depending how he heals at Bama, but Boyd did just fine and dandy at Pitt!

Whether Sanders can beat out Barkley at Penn State is tougher question, as far I am concern, but he would play faster at Pitt and that is not a question if he works hard to do it!

 

[chethejet]

Who as a better looking future, J Whitehead or Malik Hooker. Now Hooker may well become a terrific player, but if I am Hamlin. no brainer.

 

[TD_6082]

This is the most convoluted logic of all time. Tell someone not to go to pitt because they will get too much playing time?

You really want to claim you're not a nitter?

They were tossing out theories about what PSU would be telling him, and this is just one angle they could work. There is always an angle to sell.

It is definitely a sales pitch that is used for RBs more often than you think. Keep in mind, I'm talking about RBs only. From a longevity standpoint, Derrick Henry was better off last year when he had 100 fewer carries and was sharing the load with Yeldon. You disagree?

 

[TD_6082]

Good point, in addition, another Top Recruit from the Region went to Alabama over Pitt, and has not played much and was actually hurt when he did play, in the name of Robert Foster and I respect his choice to choose Bama!

Yet, Foster Career at Bama has not come close to Tyler Boyd's at Pitt by any fair measurement, and Pitt has out produced Bama and Penn State by putting Higher Quality Players in the NFL and more Record Breaking NCAA Players in CFB too.

Smart Recruits go where they can play right away and become Smarter Millionaires ending up playing in the NFL that way too and that choice is a Life Learning Event of success as much as any and better than others choosing to go where they wait to play later!

I don't mind if a Recruit wants to go to a College Football Program for any reason, whether it is because the big Attendance, Winning Conference National Championships, choosing an Academic Program or wanting to be a better Football Player in the NCAA or NFL!

However, quit making excuses for the Recruits and Players that became a Never Was or NFL BUST because they fell for playing before 100,000 people and Conference and National Championships that never happen, like Nick Marmo, Tony Morrelli or a Robert foster that their College Careers & NFL Dreams, did not turn out as they thought it would be by going to CFB Program where they did not play much to play anywhere?

Meanwhile, the Fathers of Fitzgerald and McCoy made sure they went to CFB Program where they would catch more passes than at Ohio State for Fitz, and learn to run as a Freshmen to NFL Player of the Year for McCoy and that was PITT IS IT for them and many more like Revis, Donald, and Whitehead just to name a few the last 10 Years!

I disagree with TD-6082 that in my view brought up Bama because he forget about all the Penn State Record of NFL Busts, and Penn State has not played in many Conference or National Titles since 1986 either like Bama lately, and why Foster picked them, as he did and that was fine with me.

Life choices matter and playing faster at Pitt has not hurt those that chose Pitt either and having money in one's pocket is better than putting out money on injuries where not one Fan in those 100,000 seats will help you either?

Whether Foster made a poor choice remains to be seen depending how he heals at Bama, but Boyd did just fine and dandy at Pitt!

Whether Sanders can beat out Barkley at Penn State is tougher question, as far I am concern, but he would play faster at Pitt and that is not a question if he works hard to do it!

What are you saying Captain? If Marmo or Morrelli had went to Pitt instead of PSU, they would have had a future in the league? Do you think Fitzgerald, McCoy, and Revis would have been busts if they had went to PSU or tOSU?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"TD_6082, post: 526391, member: 510"]What are you saying Captain? If Marmo or Morrelli had went to Pitt instead of PSU, they would have had a future in the league?
Marmo and Morelli both had big mouths, poor judgment and even bad Father Advisers and that is proven by facts in their poor College Careers. Versus how Fitzgerald and McCoy Father's advised them to consider where they would be better and play better at Pitt AND THEY DID!

Both were stupid to fall for the Myth that 100,000 Fans will make you a better Football Player somehow? Not one screaming drunken Penn State Fan made either of them better Players! Neither did their Fathers or Penn State Coaches in front of those clueless 100,000 Fans?

Marmo was told by Paterno not to come back to Penn State for another year as he requested, and was a complete Top Recruit Busts at Penn State, clearly he made the wrong choice and his behavior added to his failures. Those are facts not speculation as you attempt to portray!

Morelli would have benefited greatly under Walt Harris just like Flacco did with just 2 years of practice and Big Ben with Harris Pitt's QB Summer Camps. Morelli's Father was a complete jerk in public and still is in life. Even Penn State Fans were glad to see Morelli leave Penn State and his NFL career was short to non-existent. Palko without the Arm had a longer one. Again, Facts over speculation over what might have been hypos you attempted to contrive!

So, yes, both could have done better anywhere based on Marmo & Morrelli poor play or coaching at Penn State! Penn State leads the most FBS CFB Programs with Busts in the NFL! Clearly, these are facts not in dispute either. You need to explain it, not me?

Are you saying Marmo & Morelli were successes and can you prove it??? Because if you can't you actually have proven my points!

Do you think Fitzgerald, McCoy, and Revis would have been busts if they had went to PSU or tOSU?
Additionally, you can't prove Fitzgerald, Revis, or McCoy would have been successes at Ohio State or Penn State either can you???

Well, once again, you know they were successes at Pitt and are in the NFL, and that is verifiable proof in realities of facts, that they showed way better judgment by attending and playing at Pitt, and you can't prove otherwise can you?

Facts are Pitt recruiting and coaching have been better than Penn State in the last and this century so far, as they produced (Not More) but better Players for the NFL even today, and Penn State has not and that is something you have to acknowledge, accept and to be proud of as a Pitt Fan!

I respect and enjoy your posts on the Lair even if we agree to disagree, but this one from you, is not one of them, and easily refuted as a Pitt Fan while still respecting Penn State, Ohio State and Bama!

Smarter recruits that check the facts see that Pitt is right at the Top in producing Great Players in College and the NFL, and that is a fact too. Smart Recruits make Smart Decisions for their careers and Pitt has had some of the best and Penn State Recruits although having a bigger program with more resources and players on a rosters have had less success in College and the NFL compared to Pitt!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Alabama is not Pitt. Franklin can make no claims of how Sanders would be utilized at Pitt. None.

Penn State is no Alabama either since joining the Big Ten, even Paterno could not beat the Bear even with Ref Guman, but Guman beat Bama with a few cheats! The last time Penn State played Bama they were beaten at Half Time and then asked to be removed from the schedule.

Sanders would do well to look how Foster chose Bama over Pitt, and Boyd chose Pitt over Penn State, and Boyd is heading to the NFL, and Foster is healing waiting to play again!

 

[pittdan77]

Morelli was the number one player in the state. Much like Hackenberg in the "projected" talent. Huge failure in that regard. No idea why a top QB would go to PSU. Just never seems to work out.

 

[TD_6082]

You are totally off base on this one Captain. Fitz, Revis, Shady would have success anywhere. They could have went to Duquesne or Slippery Rock and they would still be NFL stars.

Just to flip your argument, would you say Jamie Dixon is a poor coach because he doesn't produce NBA stars? Should top recruits not even consider going to Pitt because they don't have any great players in the league?

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

TD_Nitter, did you get your coach-hero Franklin's autograph while he was in town for the game?

 

[TD_6082]

I have it on a 2012 Vandy football poster. ANCHOR DOWN!!!

 

[Pantherman43]

I have it on a 2012 Vandy football poster. ANCHOR DOWN!!!

You probably have a hole in the poster too don't you?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"TD_6082, post: 528761, member: 510"]You are totally off base on this one Captain. Fitz, Revis, Shady would have success anywhere.
Well, they did it at Pitt and Pitt has not has many wins as Notre Dame, Miami, USC, and Ohio State and Texas during that period and those are facts too, you have had trouble accepting for quite a while. I can't be off base, Pitt helped them all become better Players, and you have to accept it!

They could have went to Duquesne or Slippery Rock and they would still be NFL stars.
Nice try, but they didn't? They went to Pitt! The same could be said for Morelli and Marmo and they were failures at Penn State and like many that did go to Duquesne or Slippery Rock did not make the NFL for long!

Just to flip your argument, would you say Jamie Dixon is a poor coach because he doesn't produce NBA stars?
Nope, once again, I never said that, you did? Because you can't accept as a Pitt fan, that Pitt Football produces great NFL Stars right up there with ND, USC, MIAMI, and OSU! Facts beat out you're made up Hypos?

Should top recruits not even consider going to Pitt because they don't have any great players in the league?
The NBA and Basketball is not germane to College and NFL Football? One has 5 Players another needs 22? Yet, Pitt still has 3 Players still playing in the NBA and has had about another 5 that played for awhile too. There are many Schools that have only have a few Players in the NBA and only a handful with more!

 

[TD_6082]

I'm damn glad Fitz, Revis, Shady and all those great names you mentioned went to Pitt. I'm just saying that they could have went anywhere else on the planet and they would still be great.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I'm damn glad Fitz, Revis, Shady and all those great names you mentioned went to Pitt. I'm just saying that they could have went anywhere else on the planet and they would still be great.

Imaginations and Made Up Self Argumentative Hypos are nice but do not support Opinions as well as important Facts & Deeds! Facts are better when wanting to support Opinions!

Pitt has the Facts and accept your Imagination is secondary to those Facts. I accept the choices of Recruits and when they turn out to be better NFL Players after playing at Pitt, I accept that too, over anyone's What Might Have Been ELSEWHERE? Don't take it personal because it is factual! Learn to accept it!

When you came on this Board we had long discussions on the talent Pitt produced in far greater Quality and far less than numbers than Penn State!

You challenged it and I linked the Players by names on Pro Teams and NFL Awards and those Facts refuted your Opinions and supported Pit produced better NFL Talent last century and this century?

Other Posters provided other Websites that cited Pitt is one of the Best Producers of NFL Talent in the Top 5 and 10, and the Penn State Posters on BWI said, that is not important???

Yet, when I also posted Neutral Sports Publication Analysis on how Paterno's Penn State also produced more NFL Draft Busts than any other College Program, the Dumber BWI Cult Posters Posters again said that was not important either?

Some Penn State Fans cannot accept that Pitt Football is still ahead of them and cannot muster even a slight recognition of those Facts over their jealous, petty, and envious opinions with no facts to support them, and that is on their ignorance and arrogance, not mine or any Pitt Fan or Poster!

You have been corrected with Facts, Fitzgerald, Revis, McCoy, Donald, Boyd, Conner and now Whitehead rejected Penn State and chose Pitt Football, and they played faster, learned more, and broke many records in College and earned millions in the NFL than Penn State Players that chose sitting the bench before 100,000 Fans that forgot about them when they Busted in the NFL!

Facts are better than imaginations or myths spread by Dumb to Dumber Fans, of which I do not include you! I enjoy our discussions and you have a different viewpoint at times as others and I respect Penn State program where it excels too, but on the Facts not just an Opinion without them?

Now go and sin no more by posting something that has been refuted by the FACTS, and not proven Opinions by any Hypos!

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Meaningless because both schools have completely different coaching staffs and playbooks than they've had in the past. Neither the Pitt script nor the plain white helmet determine success at the next level. Pitt backs have had more NFL success in the PAST 10 years, but that is meaningless moving forward when all the key factors have changed.

Yeah, OK. Tell recruits how meaningless it is; which is the basis of this conversation. Stud RBs all want one thing, and that is a shot to make it in the NFL. PITT has shown that ability OVER MULTIPLE COACHING STAFFS in the past 10 years and beyond.

Here's a bit of knowledge for you:

Coaching Staff: Dave Wannstedt (2005-2010)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2005-2010) on these teams: Raymond Kirkley, Larod Stephens-Howling, Lesean McCoy, Henry Hynoski, Dion Lewis

Coaching Staff: Todd Graham (2011)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2011) on these teams: Ray Graham

Coaching Staff: Paul Chryst (2012-2014)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2012-2014): Ray Graham, James Conner will assuredly be drafted, the remainder of the class remains to be seen

Coaching Staff: Pat Narduzzi (2015- )
See note above regarding James Conner and other RBs currently on the team.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Yeah, OK. Tell recruits how meaningless it is; which is the basis of this conversation. Stud RBs all want one thing, and that is a shot to make it in the NFL. PITT has shown that ability OVER MULTIPLE COACHING STAFFS in the past 10 years and beyond.

Here's a bit of knowledge for you:

Coaching Staff: Dave Wannstedt (2005-2010)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2005-2010) on these teams: Raymond Kirkley, Larod Stephens-Howling, Lesean McCoy, Henry Hynoski, Dion Lewis

Coaching Staff: Todd Graham (2011)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2011) on these teams: Ray Graham

Coaching Staff: Paul Chryst (2012-2014)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2012-2014): Ray Graham, James Conner will assuredly be drafted, the remainder of the class remains to be seen

Coaching Staff: Pat Narduzzi (2015- )
See note above regarding James Conner and other RBs currently on the team.

Excellent Post and Response and Thank You. Additionally, when one goes to USC Galen Hall and sees all the Sports Illustrated Covers Hung Up Showing USC's Top Sport Graduate, Heisman Jersey's Display Cases, or go to Notre Dame and see all of their Players at Legends and other places on Campus or Ohio State that does the same thing, and many other Top Programs very proud of their Player Alumni Prowess, Awards, and Records that recognize and bring in more Recruits to sell their reasons for attending that Schools proves it is not meaningless.

Pitt History is just as proud and full of accomplishments can do the same, bragging about their Alumni Accomplishments of Autumn at Pitt and after Pitt!!

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I hope Sanders goes to Pitt. We really need a stud at RB.

Honestly though, its not a tough sell if you are JF. If you're Franklin, you tell the kid that if he goes to Pitt, he is going to be a workhorse from day one. Tell him he is going to get tons of carries and be counted on to be the man. ...Then remind him of how running backs only have so many carries and talk about the toll it has on his body. You tell If he comes to PSU, he gets to share the load with Barkley, still have plenty of chances to shine, preserve his body for a longer career in the NFL and make millions more by not having to carry the whole damn load from day one. That's the selling point. Point to Alabama as the model.

My counter to that would be that If you come to Pitt, you can be the feature back and go pro as a high draft choice after two years. I think making big $$$ a few years earlier beats being part of a rb by committee for four years.

 

[load1079]

Is a high school senior really worried about his longevity in the NFL when choosing a college? Is he worried about the wear and tear he'll endure in college? Of course not. When you're 18 you think you're superman and indestructable.

Franklin is by all accounts a good salesman. If he's pitching Sanders on career conservation before Sanders even steps on campus, then Franklin is not very smart. Kids want to hear how they are going to be the star - not that they get to split carries to keep their legs fresh.

Lots of other angles PSU can and will take...this one doesn't make sense.

 

[TD_6082]

Is a high school senior really worried about his longevity in the NFL when choosing a college? Is he worried about the wear and tear he'll endure in college? Of course not. When you're 18 you think you're superman and indestructable.

Franklin is by all accounts a good salesman. If he's pitching Sanders on career conservation before Sanders even steps on campus, then Franklin is not very smart. Kids want to hear how they are going to be the star - not that they get to split carries to keep their legs fresh.

Lots of other angles PSU can and will take...this one doesn't make sense.

Well, you don't sell it like that. I've heard a former coach explain how he made this pitch, and you have to keep the conversation about money. 18 year olds like it when you talk money.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Is a high school senior really worried about his longevity in the NFL when choosing a college? Is he worried about the wear and tear he'll endure in college? Of course not. When you're 18 you think you're superman and indestructable.

Franklin is by all accounts a good salesman. If he's pitching Sanders on career conservation before Sanders even steps on campus, then Franklin is not very smart. Kids want to hear how they are going to be the star - not that they get to split carries to keep their legs fresh.

Lots of other angles PSU can and will take...this one doesn't make sense.

Another good post!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Well, you don't sell it like that. I've heard a former coach explain how he made this pitch, and you have to keep the conversation about money. 18 year olds like it when you talk money.

I agree in part and disagree in part too, no one sells what you describe. But no College Football Program undervalues the prior Accomplishments of Autumn of their Alumni that have gone to great success at Pitt or in the NFL by Pitt Alumni Players either?

Nor does Penn State Coaches sell recruits by telling them the truth that Penn State has had the most NFL First Round Busts in the NFL the past 30 years?

Recruits Value Change & Often Based On Smarts:
It used to be CFB Players went to a college for a Paid For Education but they get that at all school. In those days, freshmen did not even play until changed in the 1970s and many Players stayed 4 to 5 years to get that education before Pro Football started to accept them after 3 Years of eligibility? New Rules and NFL Paychecks have changed Scholarship Values!

Today, some Recruits still want to win a National Championship and many still go to Programs that have the Resources, Revenues, and Money that pay Top Coaches to do that as Alumni Demand it!

Yet, as NFL Salaries have ballooned into millions and minimum of around $400,000 just to make a Practice Squad, now many Smart Recruits want to go to Program where they can play right away, learn the game, and make more money in a few years than they could a lifetime during another job!

Pitt has been able to do both, by recruiting and developing the smarter recruits that do think about their playing time, ability to start, and future in the NFL and is ELITE PROGRAM that does it and proves it even over Bigger Programs that have way bigger Resources, Revenues, and Attendance!

Why not be proud of Pitt doing it for its recruits, players and alumni?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

TD_6082, for the sake of the discussion and your comments on what Might Have Been had some Players went elsewhere?

Tony Dorsett went to Pitt because he could be a Running Back there and turned down Penn State because Paterno told him he would be a Defensive Back. Tony was smart to turn down Paterno and went to Pitt where he broke NCAA Rushing records!

Justin King was a Top Recruit at Running Back in High School, and played some Offense his first year a tad at Penn State, but Penn State made King a DB, the result....a Third Round NFL Draft Pick rather than First Rounder? Money was less and he is not an elite DB in the NFL either, good but not Elite?

Did Jim Kelly make the better choice of Miami to be QB rather than Linebacker at Penn State? His Pocket Book says so! QBs make way more than LBs?

Did Jeff Hostetler leave Penn State for WVU where he learned better and later became a Great NFL QB? While Todd Blackledge at Penn State became another NFL First Round Bust? Jeff's abilities lasted longer in the NFL than Blackledge's NFL back up status that was coached at Penn State?

Courtney Brown, Blackledge, Blair, Enis, Kijana Carter, all First Round Draft Busts? Clearly, they may have done better anywhere but Penn State? I can't prove that but I can prove NFL Teams wasted Big Money & Draft Picks on Penn State Players more than any CFB Program!

Austin came out of Pennsylvania breaking High School Records and went to Penn State and ending up filing a Lawsuit on the University Program saying they hurt his future in the NFL. Compared to Pitt's Shady McCoy that switch to Pitt and just focused on his learning how to run better at Pitt and still has a future in the NFL unlike Austin? Did Austin choose wrong and McCoy choose Right?

Dick Vermeil talked how bad Larry Johnson lacked Running Back skills on not being able to take a proper hand off and could not block after he had him as player. Larry was second in the Heisman Votes and broke Penn State Rushing Records but washed out in the NFL after a few good years, with worst behavior beating up women?

Fitzgerald, Revis, McCoy, and Donald all made the right choices for them at Pitt and their NFL Careers proves it! No hypos!

Even the Great Resources, Revenues, Bigger Rosters, Many more 5th Year Walk-Ons, Higher Paid Coaches, 100,000 Fan Attendance, 3,000 Recruit Summer Camps, High School Coaching Clinics at Penn State still has not produced better Player than Pitt in NCAA Record Books, NFL Record Books, and that is more proof why Smarter recruits choose Pitt, not Hypos you believe Might Have Been?

If Miles Sanders choose Penn State so be it, and good luck in overcoming that terrible Penn State's NFL First Round Draft Bust History, before 100,000 Fans that want to forget about the Penn State Busts!

Smart recruits today do look at if they will have a place to start and learning right away, the history of putting Top Players into the NFL, and the ability to do make millions to invest the rest of their lives. The Dumber ones fall for the myths, magic, and made-up sells pitches that won't tell them the true history of their Programs History nor see those Players that are ahead of them on Rosters already set for next year?

Foster made that mistake at Bama unlike Pitt's Boyd, and Barkley is the darling of Franklin Offense and says he is a very special player????

 

[USN_Panther]

Yeah, OK. Tell recruits how meaningless it is; which is the basis of this conversation. Stud RBs all want one thing, and that is a shot to make it in the NFL. PITT has shown that ability OVER MULTIPLE COACHING STAFFS in the past 10 years and beyond.

Here's a bit of knowledge for you:

Coaching Staff: Dave Wannstedt (2005-2010)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2005-2010) on these teams: Raymond Kirkley, Larod Stephens-Howling, Lesean McCoy, Henry Hynoski, Dion Lewis

Coaching Staff: Todd Graham (2011)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2011) on these teams: Ray Graham

Coaching Staff: Paul Chryst (2012-2014)
Notable RBs in the NFL (2012-2014): Ray Graham, James Conner will assuredly be drafted, the remainder of the class remains to be seen

Coaching Staff: Pat Narduzzi (2015- )
See note above regarding James Conner and other RBs currently on the team.

You can add Rashad Jennings to the list as well. He played at Pitt but transferred to Liberty to be near a sick family member. He has been in the NFL a few years now.

If you go back to Walt Harris, you can add Kevin Barlow and Nick Goings to the list. Another RB from Harris' team played in the NFL. Chad Dukes, who played very little at RB but was a special teams demon for Pitt, played a few games in the NFL. The Redskins had him for awhile, and man I always pulled for him in preseason to make the team but he usually just fell short.

Just about all of these guys had better NFL careers than Curtis pEnis and Kijanka Carter.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

You can add Rashad Jennings to the list as well. He played at Pitt but transferred to Liberty to be near a sick family member. He has been in the NFL a few years now.

If you go back to Walt Harris, you can add Kevin Barlow and Nick Goings to the list. Another RB from Harris' team played in the NFL. Chad Dukes, who played very little at RB but was a special teams demon for Pitt, played a few games in the NFL. The Redskins had him for awhile, and man I always pulled for him in preseason to make the team but he usually just fell short.

Just about all of these guys had better NFL careers than Curtis pEnis and Kijanka Carter.

Blair Thomas too, another Penn State First Round Running Back Busts!

Meanwhile, Dion Lewis is running wild in New England too!

 

[VAPITTALUM]

You can add Rashad Jennings to the list as well. He played at Pitt but transferred to Liberty to be near a sick family member. He has been in the NFL a few years now.

If you go back to Walt Harris, you can add Kevin Barlow and Nick Goings to the list. Another RB from Harris' team played in the NFL. Chad Dukes, who played very little at RB but was a special teams demon for Pitt, played a few games in the NFL. The Redskins had him for awhile, and man I always pulled for him in preseason to make the team but he usually just fell short.

Just about all of these guys had better NFL careers than Curtis pEnis and Kijanka Carter.

Absolutely right! I was trying to avoid the typical PSU rebuttal of "you guys are living in the past" by providing players over the past 10 years, over multiple coaching staffs.