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[kybuckeye2]

Speaking of osu, what is their opinion of employing a coach that knew about children getting raped while at psu but turning the other way?

Here's my take on it, FWIW. I think OSU looks at this as an unsubstantiated third-hand allegation from many years before Schiano was hired by OSU. As it stands right now, two of the three parties involved say that it didn't happen. Unless and until those allegations can be proven by other evidence, it's a "he said/she said" situation, and they are not going to fire someone over that, given the fact that Schiano isn't accused of anything illegal.

That said, if it ever comes out that there is validity to MM's claims, OSU will drop him like a rock. They don't want to have any part of that sordid mess.

 

[TheSeldomSeenKid]

Because TCU? Give me a break...

Besides, the results speak for themselves.

I am not anti-Ohio State(I almost decided to go there for Undergrad), but if a blind comparison of seasons would have been utilized, TCU would have been selected over OSU. It still came down to bigger Fan Base and TV Ratings just like used to occur in the past Major Bowls System for Team Selection(if ND was breathing with 3 Losses, they were selected to be in a major Bowl over 1-2 Loss teams and all big Alumni Based Schools got selected over the TCUs). Now OSU did play excellent and earned the Title once in the Playoffs, but losing to Va Tech at home, they should have never been selected, and they barely escaped winning in Crappy/Creepy Valley that year needing OT to beat a team with less talent and a terrible coaching staff. I do not want to hear excuses about OSU starting a new QB, as their team was 3 Deep with top QB Talent. Sorry, but you need to take off your fanboy Red & Gray Glasses.

And da 'U' was screwed in your other National Title Game Win. You can whine about missed calls during the Game, but this happens to most Teams during a Game and good Teams overcome bad calls or missed calls, if given enough time. A Team cannot overcome a terrible call in OT or the final minutes of a Game. The entire country outside of Columbus knows it, just like the entire Country knows the truth about The CULT & Crappy/Creepy Valley and how the people in charge looked the other way(at the least or covered up at the worst) on kids getting sexually assaulted by Sandusky to protect their 60-70 Million per year Football Program.

 

[kybuckeye2]

I am not anti-Ohio State(I almost decided to go there for Undergrad), but if a blind comparison of seasons would have been utilized, TCU would have been selected over OSU. It still came down to bigger Fan Base and TV Ratings just like used to occur in the past Major Bowls System for Team Selection(if ND was breathing with 3 Losses, they were selected to be in a major Bowl over 1-2 Loss teams and all big Alumni Based Schools got selected over the TCUs). Now OSU did play excellent and earned the Title once in the Playoffs, but losing to Va Tech at home, they should have never been selected, and they barely escaped winning in Crappy/Creepy Valley that year needing OT to beat a team with less talent and a terrible coaching staff. I do not want to hear excuses about OSU starting a new QB, as their team was 3 Deep with top QB Talent. Sorry, but you need to take off your fanboy Red & Gray Glasses.

And da 'U' was screwed in your other National Title Game Win. You can whine about missed calls during the Game, but this happens to most Teams during a Game and good Teams overcome bad calls or missed calls, if given enough time. A Team cannot overcome a terrible call in OT or the final minutes of a Game. The entire country outside of Columbus knows it, just like the entire Country knows the truth about The CULT & Crappy/Creepy Valley and how the people in charge looked the other way(at the least or covered up at the worst) on kids getting sexually assaulted by Sandusky to protect their 60-70 Million per year Football Program.

Let's go in order, shall we? OSU vs. Miami, late in the 4th quarter, OSU has the ball and a 17-14 lead. All they have to do is pick up a first down or two and run out the clock. But the refs blew two calls (pass interference and a pass reception) on the same 3rd-and-10 play, either of which would have given OSU a first down. Need proof? Here...



Miami got a huge break on this play, and the game most likely would not have ended in their favor had either of those calls been made. As it was, they kick a field goal at the end of regulation to force OT.

TCU has only themselves and the B12 to blame for their non-selection.

1. They played 12 regular-season games.
2. Of those 12, one was an FCS school (Samford).
3. They lost to Baylor.
4. The B12 does not play a conference championship game (which the CFP committee is on record as saying they give extra weight to).
5. The B12, with the "One True Champion" slogan, tried to get cute and nominate 2 co-champions. It backfired.

If any of these issues had been otherwise, I think TCU would have been selected. But added together, it made their case weak.

So, cry me a river, and let's leave the conspiracy theories over on BWI.

 

[wbrpanther]

Both of OSU's past NC's are suspect. They didnt deserve to be in the 4 team play-off to begin with.

To be fair I guess they did prove they belonged...on the field where it counts.

 

[wbrpanther]

Let's go in order, shall we? OSU vs. Miami, late in the 4th quarter, OSU has the ball and a 17-14 lead. All they have to do is pick up a first down or two and run out the clock. But the refs blew two calls (pass interference and a pass reception) on the same 3rd-and-10 play, either of which would have given OSU a first down. Need proof? Here...

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Miami got a huge break on this play, and the game most likely would not have ended in their favor had either of those calls been made. As it was, they kick a field goal at the end of regulation to force OT.

TCU has only themselves and the B12 to blame for their non-selection.

1. They played 12 regular-season games.
2. Of those 12, one was an FCS school (Samford).
3. They lost to Baylor.
4. The B12 does not play a conference championship game (which the CFP committee is on record as saying they give extra weight to).
5. The B12, with the "One True Champion" slogan, tried to get cute and nominate 2 co-champions. It backfired.

If any of these issues had been otherwise, I think TCU would have been selected. But added together, it made their case weak.

So, cry me a river, and let's leave the conspiracy theories over on BWI.

How many missed calls both ways do you think you could find in any game. A flag 4 seconds after a game should be over is completely different.

 

[kybuckeye2]

How many missed calls both ways do you think you could find in any game. A flag 4 seconds after a game should be over is completely different.

So two blown calls on the same play with two minutes left in the game that changes possession of the ball is irrelevant?

 

[PittPat3]

I have nothing but respect for the Ohio State football program. It is clearly the most successful professional sports franchise in the state.

 

[Jpripper88]

So, cry me a river, and let's leave the conspiracy theories over on BWI.

You posted a conspiracy theory about Mark May in this thread...

 

[kybuckeye2]

You posted a conspiracy theory about Mark May in this thread...

That wasn't a conspiracy theory. Another poster asked why OSU fans had a gripe with May. I linked a page that laid out the reasons.

 

[R1950]

I am not anti-Ohio State(I almost decided to go there for Undergrad), but if a blind comparison of seasons would have been utilized, TCU would have been selected over OSU. It still came down to bigger Fan Base and TV Ratings just like used to occur in the past Major Bowls System for Team Selection(if ND was breathing with 3 Losses, they were selected to be in a major Bowl over 1-2 Loss teams and all big Alumni Based Schools got selected over the TCUs). Now OSU did play excellent and earned the Title once in the Playoffs, but losing to Va Tech at home, they should have never been selected, and they barely escaped winning in Crappy/Creepy Valley that year needing OT to beat a team with less talent and a terrible coaching staff. I do not want to hear excuses about OSU starting a new QB, as their team was 3 Deep with top QB Talent. Sorry, but you need to take off your fanboy Red & Gray Glasses.

Real simple answer why OSU got in. The BIG 12 cut their own throats. If you've spent much time on their boards, you know exactly where I'm coming from. The 4 teams selected for the playoffs were all OUTRIGHT conference champions. Who would you have picked pick from the BIG 12 ? TCU ? (who's your pick) They lost head-to-head to Baylor and in previous college seasons, the conference co-champion (Baylor-TCU) that won the head-to-head was selected for the more illustrious bowl. It happened just a few years ago when OSU and Penn State were co-champs with identical records. PSU was selected for the better bowl (I believe the Rose) and deservedly so. Their mess and confusion in 2014 year just made it easier on the committee. Go on one of their boards and ask them who their conference champion was. You see a big division. Their commissioner wouldn’t even name a representative to the selection committee (he stuck with co-champs) and yet many of their fans wanted to point the finger at the committee.

The reason that the BIG 12 doesn't have a conference championship game is by NCAA laws/regulations, you must have 12 teams for a championship game. They have only 10 conference members. Well, the BIG 12 had twelve members at one time and could have had a conference championship game, but schools are trying to leave that conference faster than trying to join it. And a lot of the current members/smaller schools point the finger at Texas noting their greed. What, just a few years Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado were all very solid members. Don't have to tell you what happened. Not getting into all of the Texas greed because I don't know the full story just repeating what all of us have heard from other sources. I really believe that conference is standing on its last leg and will fold within the next couple of years. As mentioned, the dumbasses in the BIG 12 made it easy for the OSU selection.

 

[michnittlion]

I am not anti-Ohio State(I almost decided to go there for Undergrad), but if a blind comparison of seasons would have been utilized, TCU would have been selected over OSU. It still came down to bigger Fan Base and TV Ratings just like used to occur in the past Major Bowls System for Team Selection(if ND was breathing with 3 Losses, they were selected to be in a major Bowl over 1-2 Loss teams and all big Alumni Based Schools got selected over the TCUs). Now OSU did play excellent and earned the Title once in the Playoffs, but losing to Va Tech at home, they should have never been selected, and they barely escaped winning in Crappy/Creepy Valley that year needing OT to beat a team with less talent and a terrible coaching staff. I do not want to hear excuses about OSU starting a new QB, as their team was 3 Deep with top QB Talent. Sorry, but you need to take off your fanboy Red & Gray Glasses.

They won two games after the committee selected them --- and credit to OSU for that --- but it was a committee selection. Because of such, it's not unfair to call Ohio State the 2014 mythical National Champions.

Frankly, if you have multiple teams that are (1) a conference champion and (2) have the same record, either ALL or NONE of those teams should make the playoffs. Even Alabama in 2015 could be labeled mythical by that criteria: Houston was a 1-loss conference champion in 2015 but didn't make the playoffs.

 

[fitzburgh]

Fine...as long as you jail all the other refs who didn't throw the flag all game long for the mugging by Miami's DB's. In that case, it doesn't come down to an OT game.

Either way I thought Miami would win by 14-21 points, but OSU did what no other team could-got penetration past that great Miami OL.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Here's my take on it, FWIW. I think OSU looks at this as an unsubstantiated third-hand allegation from many years before Schiano was hired by OSU. As it stands right now, two of the three parties involved say that it didn't happen. Unless and until those allegations can be proven by other evidence, it's a "he said/she said" situation, and they are not going to fire someone over that, given the fact that Schiano isn't accused of anything illegal.

That said, if it ever comes out that there is validity to MM's claims, OSU will drop him like a rock. They don't want to have any part of that sordid mess.

I think an innocent person would file a lawsuit against MM and push for more discovery and depositions, but I don't think we'll see that happen.

MM was willing to make that statement in a deposition under oath, correct? I think calling this a third hand, unsubstantiated allegation is putting it lightly.

However, I agree there isn't much tOSU can really do, or should do unless there's more evidence and information, and the only way to do that is to pursue the situation legally.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Miami has no one to blame but themselves in 2002. In the first OT the Bucks were in 4th and 14 and allowed Craig Krenzel to complete a pass for 15 yards. It never should have come down to the PI a few plays later.