The importance of having a QB

[pittmeister]

Jim Harbaugh:

· Lost 17 straight road games to AP ranked opponents. Narduzzi has beaten the eventual national champion (Clemson) on the road.

· He is now 9-9 in his last 18 games and hasn’t beaten a team with a winning regular-season record in 665 days.

· He’s 1-6 against his rivals (OSU, MSU, ND) and his one victory was against 3-9 MSU. So what's the problem?

Answer: He doesn’t have a QB…..Even though he has the following on his roster:

Shea Patterson – 5 Stars - Junior
Dylan McCaffrey – 4 Stars – Sophomore
Brandon Peters – 4 Stars – Junior

Not to mention the other 4-Star QB’s that have come and gone…

At Stanford, he had Andrew Luck and he was a genius. Now, not so much…

Unbelievably, Michigan’s 249 passing yards Saturday was its most in a game since November 2016. Thirty-one percent of those yards came in the final five minutes of the game.

Tom Herman:

· Inherited a boatload of talent from the previous head coach yet finished 7-6 last season. This year he loses again to a Maryland team that finished 4-8 last season and isn’t expected to do much this season.

· After Saturday’s loss to Maryland, Herman said “the most noticeable improvement” in Sam Ehlinger’s game was his pocket presence. Can you imagine the reaction from the nutcases on this board if Narduzzi would have said that????

· To put Saturday’s loss into perspective, Maryland — who joins BYU (2-1), Cal (2-0) and UCLA (2-1) as mid-level Power Five programs to own a winning non-conference record over Texas this decade — has five victories against FBS opponents since Oct. 22, 2016 and two of them have come against the Longhorns.

· Herman was the hottest coaching prospect in America, having knocked off six ranked teams in two seasons at Houston, including Florida State and Oklahoma.

· Texas has a proud football program with national championships and Heisman Trophy winners. Above all they have one of the richest athlete programs in the nation. So, what’s the problem??? Should they fire Herman???

Answer: He doesn’t have a QB and he will continue to struggle despite the fact he has the following on his roster:

Shane Buechele – 4 Stars - Junior
Sam Ehlinger – 4 Stars - Sophomore
Cameron Rising – 4 Stars - Freshman
Casey Thompson – 4 Stars - Freshman

The importance of a capable QB can not be understated. Landing a 4-star QB does not guarantee success, nor does landing a 2-star QB means failure either. It’s a crapshoot when recruiting this position… Despite having holes on the roster for the first two years, Narduzzi had Peterman… Last year, the QB position was chaotic. This year it is stable with Pickett. That’s why most of us see a bounce back year in a big way…

 

[revampedpanthers]

Agree qb position is easily the mist important position on a team qb is basically comparable, even more important really, to a whole position group like the OL

 

[revampedpanthers]

Agree qb position is easily the mist important position on a team qb is basically comparable, even more important really, to a whole position group like the OL

It is also the main reason Dw isn't still coaching at pitt

 

[AlFromDadeville]

It is also the main reason Dw isn't still coaching at pitt

That and the rest of the roster spent many a night at the crossbar motel.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Looks like you can add FSU to the list.

 

[caleco's]

francouis was running for his life alot but just doesnt seem to have it. short and not accurate.
jimbo got out before the hard fall.

Jackson at VT scares no one.

 

[pittbb80]

Great OP. One of the things Duz has done well is recruit and fill the QB position. It was a disaster when he got here and it now appears to be a team strength. The QB position is one where the star rating is often not a great barometer of a kids success at the college level. There’s a huge transition from hs to college that many kids just can’t make

 

[JD1976]

Jim Harbaugh:

· Lost 17 straight road games to AP ranked opponents. Narduzzi has beaten the eventual national champion (Clemson) on the road.

· He is now 9-9 in his last 18 games and hasn’t beaten a team with a winning regular-season record in 665 days.

· He’s 1-6 against his rivals (OSU, MSU, ND) and his one victory was against 3-9 MSU. So what's the problem?

Answer: He doesn’t have a QB…..Even though he has the following on his roster:

Shea Patterson – 5 Stars - Junior
Dylan McCaffrey – 4 Stars – Sophomore
Brandon Peters – 4 Stars – Junior

Not to mention the other 4-Star QB’s that have come and gone…

At Stanford, he had Andrew Luck and he was a genius. Now, not so much…

Unbelievably, Michigan’s 249 passing yards Saturday was its most in a game since November 2016. Thirty-one percent of those yards came in the final five minutes of the game.

Tom Herman:

· Inherited a boatload of talent from the previous head coach yet finished 7-6 last season. This year he loses again to a Maryland team that finished 4-8 last season and isn’t expected to do much this season.

· After Saturday’s loss to Maryland, Herman said “the most noticeable improvement” in Sam Ehlinger’s game was his pocket presence. Can you imagine the reaction from the nutcases on this board if Narduzzi would have said that????

· To put Saturday’s loss into perspective, Maryland — who joins BYU (2-1), Cal (2-0) and UCLA (2-1) as mid-level Power Five programs to own a winning non-conference record over Texas this decade — has five victories against FBS opponents since Oct. 22, 2016 and two of them have come against the Longhorns.

· Herman was the hottest coaching prospect in America, having knocked off six ranked teams in two seasons at Houston, including Florida State and Oklahoma.

· Texas has a proud football program with national championships and Heisman Trophy winners. Above all they have one of the richest athlete programs in the nation. So, what’s the problem??? Should they fire Herman???

Answer: He doesn’t have a QB and he will continue to struggle despite the fact he has the following on his roster:

Shane Buechele – 4 Stars - Junior
Sam Ehlinger – 4 Stars - Sophomore
Cameron Rising – 4 Stars - Freshman
Casey Thompson – 4 Stars - Freshman

The importance of a capable QB can not be understated. Landing a 4-star QB does not guarantee success, nor does landing a 2-star QB means failure either. It’s a crapshoot when recruiting this position… Despite having holes on the roster for the first two years, Narduzzi had Peterman… Last year, the QB position was chaotic. This year it is stable with Pickett. That’s why most of us see a bounce back year in a big way…

Yet somehow Pat Bostick managed to win at ND and WVU in his career. Still makes no sense to me!

 

[Pizzaboy1]

Yet somehow Pat Bostick managed to win at ND and WVU in his career. Still makes no sense to me!

It's like a. 200 hitter going 4-4 with 2 home runs and 6 rbi in a game,it happens!

 

[Jpripper88]

The biggest problem for Michigan is the OL and the archaic scheme Harbaugh refuses to adapt. Shea Patterson is plenty good enough to win with.

Herman took over a Texas team really lacking the talent expected and in turmoil. However, if he doesn't get it turned around in the next 2 years, he will be shit canned. The B12 is far too easy a conference to accept winning less than 10 annually at Texas.

 

[jrnPitt]

Great OP. One of the things Duz has done well is recruit and fill the QB position. It was a disaster when he got here and it now appears to be a team strength. The QB position is one where the star rating is often not a great barometer of a kids success at the college level. There’s a huge transition from hs to college that many kids just can’t make

A team strength? After Pickett we have Town who would not win two games for Pitt this season if he had to play the position. Patti is probably the best back up we have but Narduzzi probably doesn't want to lose his red shirt status. So if Pickett goes down Pitt goes down the rest of the season without him.

 

[Jeffburgh]

No doubt, in the context that he has only started two games and he IS going to make mistakes at some point, but it just feels/looks like we are seeing something we haven't seen too much at Pitt - a QB with the physical talent AND feel for the game, that can help WIN games.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Good post, mostly agree with it.
Only thing I will say about Harbaugh and Herman is they also are too stubborn.
I used to be a pretty big Harbaugh booster, especially at Stanford, but he doesn't seem like he will adjust and asks his QB's to do exactly what he wants instead of tweaking to their strengths.

 

[revampedpanthers]

That and the rest of the roster spent many a night at the crossbar motel.

Had DW produced a all american QB in the years the team went 9-4 and 10-3 or even the following 8-5 season he would have won a couple conference championships and not much would have been said about the Bar stuff. Problem for DW is he didn't win enough to have lots of players getting in trouble. He probably keeps his job if he had a bunch of boy scouts or he was winning conference championships. But not neither!

 

[revampedpanthers]

Great OP. One of the things Duz has done well is recruit and fill the QB position. It was a disaster when he got here and it now appears to be a team strength. The QB position is one where the star rating is often not a great barometer of a kids success at the college level. There’s a huge transition from hs to college that many kids just can’t make

Qb and OL seems to be the two biggest spots where landing highly rated kids still doesn't guarantee anything. Most of the other positions you will be good if you land a couple of highly rated kids. EX RB land two 5 star kids and one is almost guaranteed to be a stud. Even two 4 star kids. Qb you just never know. Even after several years in college its hard to tell who will be good or not in the NFL as well. Far more washouts as top 10 picks at QB than any other position.

 

[pittmeister]

Qb and OL seems to be the two biggest spots where landing highly rated kids still doesn't guarantee anything. Most of the other positions you will be good if you land a couple of highly rated kids. EX RB land two 5 star kids and one is almost guaranteed to be a stud. Even two 4 star kids. Qb you just never know. Even after several years in college its hard to tell who will be good or not in the NFL as well. Far more washouts as top 10 picks at QB than any other position.

I absolutely agree with that. The two hardest positions to evaluate are QB and OL... A coach that can figure that out will always win some games... It seems like Saban has got that down cold...

 

[President Stache]

Jim Harbaugh:

· Lost 17 straight road games to AP ranked opponents. Narduzzi has beaten the eventual national champion (Clemson) on the road.

· He is now 9-9 in his last 18 games and hasn’t beaten a team with a winning regular-season record in 665 days.

· He’s 1-6 against his rivals (OSU, MSU, ND) and his one victory was against 3-9 MSU. So what's the problem?

Answer: He doesn’t have a QB…..Even though he has the following on his roster:

Shea Patterson – 5 Stars - Junior
Dylan McCaffrey – 4 Stars – Sophomore
Brandon Peters – 4 Stars – Junior

Not to mention the other 4-Star QB’s that have come and gone…

At Stanford, he had Andrew Luck and he was a genius. Now, not so much…

Unbelievably, Michigan’s 249 passing yards Saturday was its most in a game since November 2016. Thirty-one percent of those yards came in the final five minutes of the game.

Tom Herman:

· Inherited a boatload of talent from the previous head coach yet finished 7-6 last season. This year he loses again to a Maryland team that finished 4-8 last season and isn’t expected to do much this season.

· After Saturday’s loss to Maryland, Herman said “the most noticeable improvement” in Sam Ehlinger’s game was his pocket presence. Can you imagine the reaction from the nutcases on this board if Narduzzi would have said that????

· To put Saturday’s loss into perspective, Maryland — who joins BYU (2-1), Cal (2-0) and UCLA (2-1) as mid-level Power Five programs to own a winning non-conference record over Texas this decade — has five victories against FBS opponents since Oct. 22, 2016 and two of them have come against the Longhorns.

· Herman was the hottest coaching prospect in America, having knocked off six ranked teams in two seasons at Houston, including Florida State and Oklahoma.

· Texas has a proud football program with national championships and Heisman Trophy winners. Above all they have one of the richest athlete programs in the nation. So, what’s the problem??? Should they fire Herman???

Answer: He doesn’t have a QB and he will continue to struggle despite the fact he has the following on his roster:

Shane Buechele – 4 Stars - Junior
Sam Ehlinger – 4 Stars - Sophomore
Cameron Rising – 4 Stars - Freshman
Casey Thompson – 4 Stars - Freshman

The importance of a capable QB can not be understated. Landing a 4-star QB does not guarantee success, nor does landing a 2-star QB means failure either. It’s a crapshoot when recruiting this position… Despite having holes on the roster for the first two years, Narduzzi had Peterman… Last year, the QB position was chaotic. This year it is stable with Pickett. That’s why most of us see a bounce back year in a big way…

YES, we know all about that being Pitt fans

 

[Las Panteras]

I still believe the best example of the OP's statement (which is dead on btw),

Is Drew Breese at Purdue.

Garbage till he got there, garbage after he left

Went to the Rose Bowl his junior year.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Actually your point still stands but Purdue had a few good years after Brees left. They had a QB that played in the NFL. Can't remember his name but kind of furthers your point when they had NFL quality QB's they were a solid team after that not so much. It also helped they ran a funky offense for the time and it was centered on the QB.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Actually your point still stands but Purdue had a few good years after Brees left. They had a QB that played in the NFL. Can't remember his name but kind of furthers your point when they had NFL quality QB's they were a solid team after that not so much. It also helped they ran a funky offense for the time and it was centered on the QB.

Yeah Tiller was one of the most important coaches in developing the modern spread passing game. It took teams some time for defenses to catch on. I vaguely remember a game against someone they were an underdog against (OSU? Michigan?) where Purdue's opponent just sat there in cover 3 all game while Brees threw these bubble screens over and over again and got 6 yards every down. It's one of those rare times where you literally watch the game evolve in live time.