Of course he's going to be drafted. And he will be drafted in the first couple of rounds. Three at most. Watch and see.
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Of course he's going to be drafted. And he will be drafted in the first couple of rounds. Three at most. Watch and see.
For the record both Illinois and Kentucky are worse 4-1 teams. Penn St would be favored over either of them on a neutral field.
And TD you should probably lay off the Franklin stuff, for all of his abilities as a recruiter the guy is pretty much a lousy gameday coach. He won some games at Vandy, but rarely beat anyone of any consequence. Hell, Vandy's win yesterday over MTSU would've been considered on of the better victories of the Franklin era.
And TD you should probably lay off the Franklin stuff, for all of his abilities as a recruiter the guy is pretty much a lousy gameday coach. He won some games at Vandy, but rarely beat anyone of any consequence. Hell, Vandy's win yesterday over MTSU would've been considered on of the better victories of the Franklin era.
"Hack" was once considered as the overall number 1 pick by many so called experts. That is no longer the case, and right now he has a diminishing chance of being drafted in the 1st round despite the premium placed on QB's. If he continues to show the same production he will be waiting until the second day to hear his name called. Unlike the Christian Ponder types I don't see him as a guy who will light up the combine.
3rd or 4th QB taken translates to a early-mid 2nd rounder. Quite a fall from 1st overall pick less than a year ago. And I thought you were purely a Franklin guy, why all the defense of "Hack".
I was screwing with you on the MTSU thing, obviously Franklin had some success there, albeit mostly beating teams an SEC school should. You must admit though with some of the sex scandal stuff whether a proud academic school like Vandy has decided that on the field exploits aren't worth the baggage that it brings and are glad Franklin is gone.
Back to Hack he reminds me of Jake Locker. A guy who had early success, looks like he should be a star, but just doesn't have whatever it is NFL caliber QB's have. I don't care how bad his line is, his coaching is, or his skill position players are. If he can't get it done agaist the Buffalo's, Army's, and SDSU's of the world he will never ever make it in the NFL. As far as PSU qb's go he will never be even half the player Kerry Collins was.
I was screwing with you on the MTSU thing, obviously Franklin had some success there, albeit mostly beating teams an SEC school should. You must admit though with some of the sex scandal stuff whether a proud academic school like Vandy has decided that on the field exploits aren't worth the baggage that it brings and are glad Franklin is gone.
Back to Hack he reminds me of Jake Locker. A guy who had early success, looks like he should be a star, but just doesn't have whatever it is NFL caliber QB's have. I don't care how bad his line is, his coaching is, or his skill position players are. If he can't get it done agaist the Buffalo's, Army's, and SDSU's of the world he will never ever make it in the NFL. As far as PSU qb's go he will never be even half the player Kerry Collins was.
You are talking to one of the guys who immediately fell in love with Hackenberg as a prospect. I declared him to be one of the best FR QB's I seen in a long time, probably the best PSU QB of all time and likely #1 overall pick during his freshman year. I was not alone in these proclamations.
But now 3 years later, his footwork has gotten worse, his decisions have not gotten better, he has regressed let alone not progressed. Yes, he still will be drafted. Definitely not #1 overall anymore and likely not in the 1st rd anymore. Sure, poor OL, but there are basics there that he is not doing. He makes Tino seem like Marino. This is on James Franklin and staff. And they are going to take this baggage and try and recruit another talent like Phil Jurkovec? No way. All the snake oil in the world won't work.
TD I can agree Franklin did a fantastic job at Vandy. It is becoming apparent those victories were more a result of his excellent recruiting and not his coaching. I'll give him credit other than Temple he has still one most of the games he is suppose to win. However, none in impressive fashion.
I'll give you Georgia and Florida as having more talent. The others I will disagree on. As for Florida, Franklin beat one of the biggest HC fails in a decade.
Nice try nitter. Florida was an absolute train wreck under Muschamp. Same with UT under Dooley. Ole Miss didn't pick up the talent level until recently with Frieze and some nice classes. And you are counting a "loss" as a victory?
Your idolizing of Franklin is strange, even for a Penn Stater. Most are beginning to question him. His model is to recruit well, play cupcakes, and hope to get lucky against the top teams like O$S and Michigan. But coaching acumen leave a lot to be desired.
Again, coaching has to factor into teams, we see this all the time, Texas, when teams recruit Florida, really well but Texas, cannot Miami duplicate those recruiting
If Hack is one of the first 3 or 4 QB's taken, then that proves Franklin is a bad coach. Something has to give here. If they were both so great, Hack would be having a better career at Penn State. It's either Hack doesn't have the mental aspect or JF can not coach QB's.
You are right, point is though Hack looked promising with Bill O'Brien coaching him because BOB is a great QB coach. Hack has regressed severely under Franklin.
So it's either Hack was never that good and BOB just makes QB's good. Which is probably most likely because he got McGloin into the NFL, who was terrible before BOB arrived. Or, Hack is good, but Franklin is not a good coach and doesn't know how to use him.
They don't necessarily go hand in hand, but for Staters to say Franklin is a great coach and Hack is a great QB doesn't make any sense. If that were the case, they would be undefeated right now, blowing teams out of the water, and Hack wouldn't statistically be one of the worst QB's in the nation.
O’Brien had a much better group of coaches than the dominatrix does. BOB hired proven coaches and jimmy hired guys with hot wives.
yeah baylor or bama would blow pitt out most likely
and they'd blow out PSU worse
pitt would lose to a team like that 38-17 or something... penn state would lose 59-6. their middle school offense would quite possibly get shut out and gain 63 yards for the game or something like that.
so what's your point, it's pretty obvious that if they played right now pitt would win. our offense has a pulse, if an irregular one, and their offense would get strangled. all the time you defend psu by talking about how pitt isn't any better really.
South Carolina 21-3 loss
Alabama 34-0 loss
Arkansas 31-28 loss
South Carolina 17-13 loss
Georgia 48-3 loss
Florida 31-17 loss
South Carolina 35-25 loss
Georgia 31-27 win
Texas A&M 56-24 loss
That is Franklin's record vs ranked opponents at Vanderbilt. Add in two more losses last year at PSU and Franklin is 1-10 against the top 25 as a head coach. Heck even Paul Chryst for all his faults is 3-6 vs the top 25. I know the SEC and ACC are not the same level top to bottom, but the fact remains Franklin's record against good teams leaves a lot to be desired.
