This program

[iMissTheOldDayss]

Is completely dead, and I am sad. This is absolutely embarrassing.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I have trouble deciding what the expectations should be for this program. Obviously 4-12 or 4-13 or whatever we've been lately isn't going to cut it. But from a macro viewpoint, are these past three seasons about what we're going to see? Like, do we have any inherent advantages over some other ACC programs that haven't accomplished much of anything in a long time? Not sure, honestly. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for better.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I have trouble deciding what the expectations should be for this program.

Dixon 2

I thought Capel had turned the corner and established a Dixon 2 program but I was wrong. He just lucked into Blake Hinson.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Just shows how terrible the university is at hiring competent people and investing.

Barnes was an idiot and Dixon's tenure in the end was affected by bad assistants due to cuts in the budget. Factor in The Pete not being given any TLC and Capel even shocked at how it looked says it all.

Pitt preaches athletics being the Front Porch of the university but with one hand behind its back, fingers crossed hoping it turns out well.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Dixon 2

I thought Capel had turned the corner and established a Dixon 2 program but I was wrong. He just lucked into Blake Hinson.

Dixon 2 winning % = 64%

Pitt last 3 seasons winning % = 62.62%

Totally get that the competition is different, but so is the landscape - and we're at a greater disadvantage now.

But, again, I'm totally find with striving to do better. And these last three years did not happen in a vacuum; in conjunction with those first four seasons, it's pretty clear to see that lucking into Blake Hinson was about the extent of Capel's success. Maybe he just needs a guy named Blake to make tournaments.

 

[Chairman Moe]

Dixon 2 winning % = 64%

Pitt last 3 seasons winning % = 62.62%

Totally get that the competition is different, but so is the landscape - and we're at a greater disadvantage now.

But, again, I'm totally find with striving to do better. And these last three years did not happen in a vacuum; in conjunction with those first four seasons, it's pretty clear to see that lucking into Blake Hinson was about the extent of Capel's success. Maybe he just needs a guy named Blake to make tournaments.

Lucking into Blake, and getting Bub to enroll and give us several highlights last year showed me (at least) that perhaps Pitt BB had begun to turn around. That the "best" he (Capel) could do this past year, after the success of the previous two, is get Cam Corhen speaks volumes. And as you say, the new landscape of college sports dictates that coaches can both evaluate talent and then pay for it with NIL money (or soon to be, salaries). I hope that if Pitt commits to paying top $ for their athletes, Capel can at least choose better/tougher players and then coach them to be winners

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Lucking into Blake, and getting Bub to enroll and give us several highlights last year showed me (at least) that perhaps Pitt BB had begun to turn around. That the "best" he (Capel) could do this past year, after the success of the previous two, is get Cam Corhen speaks volumes. And as you say, the new landscape of college sports dictates that coaches can both evaluate talent and then pay for it with NIL money (or soon to be, salaries). I hope that if Pitt commits to paying top $ for their athletes, Capel can at least choose better/tougher players and then coach them to be winners

Cam Corhen wasn't cheap, though. Capel specifically identified him. We could have gotten a lot more bang for that buck.

Lowe and Leggett weren't cheap either, so I don't think he's entirely hamstrung by NIL; I just think he isn't a good coach. Like, I have no doubt that if you added another $500,000 player to this roster we'd be better. But I'm also not seeing any schemes Capel is running that makes me think, "Wow, that's impressive." Blake Hinson hit so many threes that weren't even good looks. That bailed Capel out, in my opinion.

 

[Chairman Moe]

Cam Corhen wasn't cheap, though. Capel specifically identified him. We could have gotten a lot more bang for that buck.

Lowe and Leggett weren't cheap either, so I don't think he's entirely hamstrung by NIL; I just think he isn't a good coach. Like, I have no doubt that if you added another $500,000 player to this roster we'd be better. But I'm also not seeing any schemes Capel is running that makes me think, "Wow, that's impressive." Blake Hinson hit so many threes that weren't even good looks. That bailed Capel out, in my opinion.

no argument here

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

I have trouble deciding what the expectations should be for this program. Obviously 4-12 or 4-13 or whatever we've been lately isn't going to cut it. But from a macro viewpoint, are these past three seasons about what we're going to see? Like, do we have any inherent advantages over some other ACC programs that haven't accomplished much of anything in a long time? Not sure, honestly. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for better.

I have no idea at this point. I really see no end in sight. I just can’t believe we’ve fallen this far. I don’t even like to sit and think about it. The one thing I do know is Jeff Capel cannot be here after this season.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Cam Corhen wasn't cheap, though. Capel specifically identified him. We could have gotten a lot more bang for that buck.

Lowe and Leggett weren't cheap either, so I don't think he's entirely hamstrung by NIL; I just think he isn't a good coach. Like, I have no doubt that if you added another $500,000 player to this roster we'd be better. But I'm also not seeing any schemes Capel is running that makes me think, "Wow, that's impressive." Blake Hinson hit so many threes that weren't even good looks. That bailed Capel out, in my opinion.

Right. Corhen wasn't cheap. It's not like that's all we could afford. This team is making around $2 million.