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This town SUCKS when it comes to supporting...

I posted this percentage in an earlier post...26% are from out of state.
Which means that a very large chunk of the 15,000 students that were at the ND game live close enough to have gone yesterday.

There were 500 students there yesterday. Maybe.
 
From the number of replies, It seems many posters on the site are far more concerned about attendance than the actual play on the field. You are on the wrong site: That's BWI. Have we been brainwashed by the majority PSU body snatchers of our local media?

No one has a duty to attend Pitt Football games. Tickets are inexpensive, but not free. And, as has been rehashed a thousand times, unlike PSU, whose only competition for attendance are the Klan rallies, this city offers a large number of options vying for the entertainment budgets of its citizens.. This factor will always have a limiting effect on Pitt's attendance.
New York City sports fans must suck beyond belief! With a population of 8.5 million, why aren't the attendance figure for NYU, CUNY, Columbia, Cornell or Fordham in the 100,000's?

The new administration and staff are laboring to make Pitt football an exciting attraction. It will take time. After thirty consecutive years of letdowns, trust is not easily developed.
This is a time of excitement and great expectations for Pitt football fans.

BTW, if you did not attend the game, you have no justification for whining about the attendance., but feel free to moan about the color of the seats.
 
I have a good idea, everybody: let's take student attendance to football games REALLY SERIOUSLY, and get REALLY UPSET because this is IMPORTANT. It's not like rabid fandom and misplaced priorities have led to issues at any other schools in the state...
 
Personally, I think attendance has almost zero impact on recruiting and results on the field. It's nice to have, but not determinative of anything.

Otherwise Miami, USC, and great Pitt teams of the past would've never won anything.

I only talk about it to dispel the myths that Pitt's attendance is all that bad. We're somewhere around 45-50th out of 128 FBS schools. It is what it is.
 
I vote no more Black Friday games. I guarantee if this game was on a Saturday the crowd would have been bigger. Not that attendance is all that great most Saturdays, but a Friday game just makes it even worse.

Generically speaking, yes. But specifically if it was today instead of yesterday, with the temperature at 50 degrees and a light rain falling, there almost certainly would have been less people there today than yesterday. On a day like today a lot of people look at that weather and decide that it just isn't worth it.
 
UPitt, your estimate on the upper deck was EXTREMELY generous, more like 1/8th full IF THAT! If someone can tell me how to upload those pictures from my phone to here I'll be happy to show visual proof of that.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/136488456@N08/23288864291/in/dateposted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/136488456@N08/23003486629/in/dateposted-public/


Well he thinks those photos show a lower level on the home side that is PACKED and on the visitors side is more than 80% full, so it's no surprise that he thinks the upper level was 1/3 full.

It must really suck when someone has photos that show that your version of reality isn't even close to the truth.
 
Well he thinks those photos show a lower level on the home side that is PACKED and on the visitors side is more than 80% full, so it's no surprise that he thinks the upper level was 1/3 full.

It must really suck when someone has photos that show that your version of reality isn't even close to the truth.
Those photos are from the second half.

Midway through the first quarter, the home side from the south endzone to the pitt band WAS packed.

Those pictures point to a different problem... people leaving early.
 
Those photos are from the second half.

Midway through the first quarter, the home side from the south endzone to the pitt band WAS packed.

Those pictures point to a different problem... people leaving early.


Once again, absolutely wrong. You know how I know that you are wrong? Because you can actually see the scoreboards on the face of the upper deck in both pictures. The first picture was taken with 7:43 left in the first quarter, in other words almost exactly midway through the first quarter. The second photo was taken with 7:37 left in the first quarter, which means it was actually taken slightly closer to the exact midpoint of the first half.

And I think that tells the tale. You thought there were way less people there in the second half than the 40,000 you thought were there in the first half, and then you thought that a picture taken exactly when you thought the crowd was at it's largest was taken when there were far fewer people there. In other words, you now admit that there were far fewer people there when you thought the crowd was at it's maximum than you have said.
 
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Previous administrations created the apathy that the new admins are stuck with.
Pittsburgh feels like it's the City of Champions whether it really is or not. You better compete for championships if you expect to draw crowds. The people there have low standards for pretty much everything except spectator sports.
Would be a great point if during the glory days the stadium was packed and the city behind the team.

It's not administration. It's the parochial culture of apathy towards the home college team.
There is one show in town, and it's played on Sundays.
 
Actually look at the pictures again. The home lower bowl from goal line to Pitt band looks close to 90% full, as I said. It get empty after the pitt band near the north endzone.... the student section. And the home upper deck in the first picture is about 20-25% full. Exactly what I said.

40,126 was the announced attendance....and that's pretry accurate.
 
Actually look at the pictures again. The home lower bowl from goal line to Pitt band looks close to 90% full, as I said. It get empty after the pitt band near the north endzone.... the student section. And the home upper deck in the first picture is about 20-25% full. Exactly what I said.

40,126 was the announced attendance....and that's pretry accurate.


Well, if you look at that picture and that's what you see there is no point in any further discussion. You just can't have a discussion on a topic with someone who is so willing to ignore photographic evidence that they are wrong, and who actually admitted that the photographic evidence showed they were wrong before they realized that's what they were saying.
 
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So the only info I could find online was for 2013. I could not attach the exact page from this statistical document published by Pitt, but if you're inclined, page 43 clearly documents not only the exact number of out-of-state (and international) students (approx. 31%), but also the breakdown by PA counties.

http://www.ir.pitt.edu/factbook/documents/factbook2014.pdf
 
Those photos are from the second half.

Midway through the first quarter, the home side from the south endzone to the pitt band WAS packed.

Those pictures point to a different problem... people leaving early.

You ARE WRONG sir as I took those photos midway in the FIRST quarter.
 
First off... the crowd was clearly around 40K.... and would've been 45+ if the students were there.

Secondly.... you are right about the students. Most of them live within 50 miles of Pittsburgh, and their turnout today was very poor.... less than 500 students, I'd say.

But the NON-students actually showed up in greater numbers than the last game against Louisville. The lower bowl was completely full in the first half (except the student section), which means about 30k in the lower bowl alone. The upper decks hold a total of 32000, and I would say it was 1/4 to 1/3 full up there from what I could see.

In any case.... disappointing by the students, but not bad by the "paying" customers.
Well, I finally was able to secure the actual numbers although I can't quite match the exact years, but it gives a pretty accurate picture. Total number of students at Pitt in 2015 is approx. 28,600. Total number from Allegheny County? In 2103 it was a bit over 8,000, so your statement about "Most live within 50 miles" is patently untrue.
 
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Generically speaking, yes. But specifically if it was today instead of yesterday, with the temperature at 50 degrees and a light rain falling, there almost certainly would have been less people there today than yesterday. On a day like today a lot of people look at that weather and decide that it just isn't worth it.
That's a valid point. I really think the Friday games are a terrible idea for Pitt considering our weekday attendance problems though. And I'm still bitter I couldn't make the game yesterday. Not good when I don't make it to Heinz. Missed one game last year - Akron.
 
When Pitt starts winning regularly, not just one good year, then people's holiday priorities will change.
 
Is anyone watching the Stanford game? Their fans must really suck too. The number 9 team in the nation playing number 6 and there's only 50,000 fans there!
 
Also the announcers mentioned and showed the Michigan fans filing out of the stadium when the score was 42-13 with 9 minutes to play.The streets outside the Big House were full of fans leaving the game.
I will say the seats are black or grey at the Big House so unless its a closeup shot the place looks full. Actually it was maybe 60% full at that time.
 
Would be a great point if during the glory days the stadium was packed

lol that post would be less worthless if I actually stated the stadium was packed during the glory days...but I didn't. Thanks for telling the board something we already know.
This is a good sign actually. You're right for once.
 
This year, 36% of freshman are from out of state.

Only 13% are from Allegheny County.

So what are the expectations of parents to drive their students back to Pitt, or students to bus back to Pitt, or students to drive back to Pitt (as so many keep cars in Oakland) the day after Thanksgiving so that they can attend a noon game between an 8 and 7-win team?
 
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The 26% number comes from the "collegexpress.com" website.

Probably 2013 numbers. Those websites are always outdated.

2014-15 = 26.6% of all undergrads are from OOS. That includes students that transferred in (including from regional campuses and CCAC, etc).

That will be creeping up as it lags the numbers for freshman classes. But it will always be lower than freshman admits #s because of transfers.

Freshman OOS % has the following trend (fall year, freshman OOS, undergrad OOS):
2009 29% 21%
2010 31% 22%
2011 32% 24%
2012 31.0% 24.6%
2013 36.0% 26.4%
2014 32.9% 26.6%
2015 36% not yet available
 
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Probably 2013 numbers. Those websites are always outdated.

2014-15 = 26.6% of all undergrads are from OOS. That includes students that transferred in (including from regional campuses and CCAC, etc).

That will be creeping up as it lags the numbers for freshman classes. But it will always be lower than freshman admits #s because of transfers.

Freshman OOS % has the following trend (fall year, freshman OOS, undergrad OOS):
2009 29% 21%
2010 31% 22%
2011 32% 24%
2012 31.0% 24.6%
2013 36.0% 26.4%
2014 32.9% 26.6%
2015 36% not yet available
CP- thanks. Does that include international students also?
 
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