This year is all on Stallings and Barnes for hiring him.
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And Gallagher for hiring Barnes.
They were carpetbaggers out for themselves. And it was glaringly obvious. The chancellor and trustees should have intervened. They are to blame.
These Pitt players/Capel recruits play harder, they hustle more, more athletic, but they are not good basketball players from what I can see. Also they do not play smart basketball as shown by their bad shot selection.
Except for Johnson of course.
Except for Johnson of course.
A lot of teams through the years had freshman as their 3 best players. Some even cut down the nets. Imagine that.
It is just that a - - hole "phil" trying to cause trouble. He is best ignored.
I guarantee you they weren’t coming off an 0-19 ACC season and a coaching change.
Your post might be one of the best definitions of a strawman I’ve ever seen.
This game shows what happens when you try to play North Carolina basketball with Pitt-level players. Capel needs to realize that Dixon’s success was not built on out-recruiting teams that he’ll never be able to out-recruit, but by building a system that can win with inferior talent.
The first big loss always brings out the morons Best to just ignore stupid posts like that
Yes it’s a shocker that a team with only three legitimate D1 players got rolled by a team filled with 4 and 5 star players. Capel is a horrible coach.
That was because JD largely didn't go after the top talent. I don't think Capel really needs to worry about how we succeeded or failed in the past.
Capel is a mediocre coach. That's obvious over his decade long head coaching career. If he is going to win at Pitt, he will do it with superior recruiting.
Typically, a great recruiter can put a good product on the floor by year 2 or 3. Pitt didn't hire Capel to find players to develop. He needs find freshman he can win with. I know that isn't a reasonable expectation for year one. But going forward it is, ...if he is truly the recruiter he is hyped to be.
Typically, a great recruiter can put a good product on the floor by year 2 or 3. Pitt didn't hire Capel to find players to develop. He needs find freshman he can win with. I know that isn't a reasonable expectation for year one. But going forward it is, ...if he is truly the recruiter he is hyped to be.
Capel was also an extremely young HC, all of his experience coming well before he turned 40. I'm thinking the time at Duke as an assistant had some impact on his coaching abilities. I don't think its to call him a mediocre coach until he has his recruits in place this time around.
https://balldurham.com/2017/01/26/mike-krzyzewski-disciplines-duke-basketball-team-leave/
He's mediocre and that may be generous. He couldn't even cut it for a month at Duke without Daddy K having to step in.
Capel will not out recruit North Carolina, or Duke, or Louisville, or Syracuse. If his system is predicated on getting better players than them it will fail. Today we saw that failure in action. Sure these aren’t all his players, but even if he recruits the best he can, he still loses this game if he tries to out athlete them.
His dad was dying at the same time. Who knows how much time he was spending away from the program. I'm willing to cut him some slack on that one.
This is absurd considering his three recruits are freshmen playing their first conference game.
We could and should be able to match Syracuse in recruiting. I would agree--not with UNC and Duke--I agree there. Louisville without that sleeze Petrino? We should be able to come close enough in recruiting to them that it won't be a huge gap, IMO.
All that being said--today's game was not really about the overall relative quality of players. It was about our lack of decent to good big men--no more than that. Johnson, MacGowens and Toney will be fine high-level ACC players. This game would have been fully competitive if we had a solid post player and power forward to go with those three.
This isn’t complicated. We have 6 guys that you could classify as ACC level players, and 4 of them are bench players on a good team. Capel recruited 4 good players in his first class. Hopefully his second class is as good as his first.
The three freshman are good. Not going to explain why either. Their real good though.
Let me say this though I said it before. We got lucky to get Capel. Flat out. He’s a good coach. A good recruiter and a good person. We got lucky. We had a good coach Dixon. But we forced him out for his buddy and heather came in and did a smart thing. She got a guy that could and would turn pitt around. We got lucky. The first acc game against five star recruits is not the end result of what Capel will do. We will win 6 acc games. Next year we will be a bubble team after that it’s top 25.
Not saying you are right or wrong. Just saying I don't see it. And I've seen nothing from Capel's career that suggests your prediction will be right either.
He wont out-recruit Duke or UNC. He COULD get somewhat similar players to Louisville and Syracuse. But heres the thing, all we are asking is to finish in the Top 8-9 in the ACC and get to the dance. He will get there
Capel gets bonus points just for working at Duke. He also gets a ton of deserved patience for taking over a major dumpster fire. How the hell could anyone expect this team to beat UNC. All those predictions for us beating UNC is flat out stupid. Maybe in three years we compete, but not now no chance.
Have patience, Stallings and Barnes did that much damage. Capel sure as hell deserves time to recruit and prove himself. And the green players sure as heck need time to learn ACC basketball. I expected men verses boys today. UNC is well coached, and they did beat Gonzaga this season. They are a tough match up.
Have patience, Stallings and Barnes did that much damage. Capel sure as hell deserves time to recruit and prove himself. And the green players sure as heck need time to learn ACC basketball. I expected men verses boys today. UNC is well coached, and they did beat Gonzaga this season. They are a tough match up.
Why is that acceptable for you now? I remember you being one of the absolute biggest critics of Dixon for that sort of performance, and I certainly remember you crushing the team for not making final fours?
Wrong! Capel needs to be his own coach and run his own program and totally disregard what past coaches did here. You have no idea whether Capel will turn out to be a great recruiter and elevate this program. Sounds like you have given up already. Wah, Wah , Wah! I guess we should start figuring out how we can create a system to win with inferior talent! Give me a break!
Maybe, he doesn't elevate recruiting or the program. I would like to at least give him a few years to see what we can become, playing an exciting brand of basketball, rather than relying on some talent equalizing gimmick.
Like others have said, I think he will get enough talent to put us in contention for an NCAA bid within 3 years. He is a good coach, please don't try to tell me that the only way to have success at Pitt is to get inferior talent and run a gimmick system. What you need are good coaches and players. We have good coaches already and a few good players. Give Capel a chance to overcome the Stallings debacle and recruit a complete team before you throw in the towel and look for a coach with a gimmick.
The stallings ball washers are coming out of the woodwork after Pitts first really rough performance.
It never ceases to be amusing how a significant segment of “Pitt” fans are more vested in some former coach than the curry guy coaching the program it’s like they root for the current guy to fail because their boy left or was fired
It never ceases to be amusing how a significant segment of “Pitt” fans are more vested in some former coach than the curry guy coaching the program it’s like they root for the current guy to fail because their boy left or was fired
I wasn't impressed with Capel's coaching today in all honesty. That being said, I still believe in him.
Yes because theres so much coaching he could have done with only three legit D1 players against a roster chock full of 4 and 5 star players. Should he have gotten them to shoot better, miss less free throws,
He can coach not forcing the drive to the lane when it's not there, and coach how to play against a zone. He can coach how to box out to get the rebound, and how to use the drive to the lane to find an open man...
Not bagging on Capel, but these were glaring weaknesses I saw today.
Moving the ball on offense should certainly be a priority.
It’ goes hand in hand with the zone
Rebounding was a group effort and we held our own despite being way out gunned.
When you're starting 3 freshmen they will make freshmen mistakes; especially against a team as big and talented as North Carolina. Also, look at the competition that we've played against. Add in who our front line players are practicing against. The things that work in those games and practices might not work against good competition. It's a learning curve. It's a process. We've already lost one good coach. Give Capel and company some time.
WOW
Is he another sleeze like Petino? Otherwise, Capel should be expected to recruit nearly as well.
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In other words, your goal is to be the worst of the Jamie Dixon years?
He’s a very good coach- at a cash rich program with a ton of talent in his region.
Let me know what parallels there are to the Pitt job
