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Pittsburgh (the region) seems to have more of a front-runner's fan mindset than many others. I think we are spoiled by success, preoccupied with the names on backs of jerseys, and, as a result, can't just relax and have a good time following our teams, win or lose. We've had sustained success (Steelers, Pens) offset by decades of wretched incompetence (Pirates) with Pitt's 40 years of wheel-spinning in the mix. So we turn out to see the teams with star power and turn our heads to the others until they show a pulse. Demand is very elastic. I wonder if it will take post=Ben, post-Sid swoons to change any of that?

I understand both sides of the Pickett issue. Sure, people want Kenny to play, but there are 60 other kids worthy of our support, too.
 
I've said for years we'll see what the Pitt fanbase is made of. We constantly have heard, "if Pitt does this, then I'll go/support". And when Pitt meets that target, it gets moved.

That's fine and dandy, but these same people bitch and complain that Pitt can't get to the next level, can't recruit, etc, etc. A lot of it is because of their lack of passion and support of the program. Like Paco said, a dime fanbase wanting a billion dollar program.
 
I've said for years we'll see what the Pitt fanbase is made of. We constantly have heard, "if Pitt does this, then I'll go/support". And when Pitt meets that target, it gets moved.

That's fine and dandy, but these same people bitch and complain that Pitt can't get to the next level, can't recruit, etc, etc. A lot of it is because of their lack of passion and support of the program. Like Paco said, a dime fanbase wanting a billion dollar program.

We haven't been to a "good" southern bowl played between Dec 27-Jan 1 in several decades so I think a lot of the "Pitt fans dont travel" is unwarranted. Literally, nobody gave us a chance and they hold it against us that we dont travel to Birmingham, Detroit, or El Paso.

Well, now we have a top-tier southern bowl game and I fully expected Pitt to travel well. I predicted 20K. Now with Kenny not playing, I think you subtract 25%, potentially 50%. I still think there's 15K.

What I don't get is Pitt can still win the game with Patti. Realistically, we'd be like a 7 point underdog. Their pass defense is bad, they are a traditional Big Ten run heavy team that Narduzzi designed his defense to defend. We can win the game.
 
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I'd pump the brakes a little with the outrage unless you have a secondary source. I find it hard to believe that the Pitt ticket office just freely offered that information up.

I am sure they didnt say that. However, its pretty clear MSU is selling faster than we are. Of course, they have 40,000 undergrad and we have 19,000, so of course you would expect that a bit.

However, this is Pitts first trip to a major bowl since the Fiesta. I went to the Fiesta, and Pitt repped pretty well, but with Utah being so close, they by far had a ton more fans there. We need to represent better this time around
 
It’s also not that good to drive lol

It's a great drive if you like to drive. There are ways to go where it's essentially all rural and mountains until you get pretty close to Atlanta. I love going that route to the gulf for vacation, do it in one day. Atlanta is the only part I don't like.
 
I am sure they didnt say that. However, its pretty clear MSU is selling faster than we are. Of course, they have 40,000 undergrad and we have 19,000, so of course you would expect that a bit.

However, this is Pitts first trip to a major bowl since the Fiesta. I went to the Fiesta, and Pitt repped pretty well, but with Utah being so close, they by far had a ton more fans there. We need to represent better this time around
Also...Pitt fans just traveled to Charlotte. Michigan St. fans sat home last week. Only so much disposable income and in this case, I think the ACC Championship game was the better choice if you had to choose.
 
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Yeah, if you call selling half of your tickets to fans of the other team "repping well".
Yeah, I thought so. We really didnt have a great year, backed into the game, and it was on the other side of the country. But, I think there was 10k plus there. No doubt this one will be better.

I agree Pittsburgh is a negative bunch. I lived in Knoxville, that place is packed no matter the record. Pittsburgh, in every sport isnt like that.
 
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Yeah, I thought so. We really didnt have a great year, backed into the game, and it was on the other side of the country. But, I think there was 10k plus there. No doubt this one will be better.

I agree Pittsburgh is a negative bunch. I lived in Knoxville, that place is packed no matter the record. Pittsburgh, in every sport isnt like that.
I was at the Fiesta Bowl and I’d say we had about 10k or so. This year’s team is a lot better and the bowl is closer. Hopefully our fan base delivers.
 
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I know how important it is, but I'm just mentally exasperated after Charlotte. It was like 30 or 40 yrs jammed into one game for me. After seeing the trophy, I kind of mentally checked out.
 
Yeah, I don't give a flip about what Steeler fans do. Whether fans travel to regular season Steeler away games don't impact that organization one iota. It is a completely different scenario.

This is a major problem with the dumbness of the Pitt fan base in that "lots" of them really don't understand college athletics at all.
True. You really don't.
 
I know how important it is, but I'm just mentally exasperated after Charlotte. It was like 30 or 40 yrs jammed into one game for me. After seeing the trophy, I kind of mentally checked out.

Good take on the 30 or 40 years into 1 game. That's how I felt. I'm not necessarily "excited" about the Peach Bowl since we already won "the championship" but I'm going. Got my tickets last night. I will say that since I'm resigned to the fact Kenny isnt playing, if he does announce he's playing, I will be real excited for the game.
 
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No way did we have10 k at fiesta maybe 5 k at tops . Walt was leaving and people have zero effs about that game

Yeah that was odd year to be a Pitt fan. All you heard about was how we didn't deserve to be there, etc... And then Walt is leaving. It was a more difficult travel destination on top of that. Kind of a perfect storm to deflate attendance. Was also at a point when Pitt was still recovering from it's worst times so the fan base wasn't what it is today.

That being said, I was at the Insight.com bowl a few years earlier and attendance seemed ok there? Or maybe I'm misremembering?

In any event, these drivable, eastern bowls are so much better.
 
Yeah, I thought so. We really didnt have a great year, backed into the game, and it was on the other side of the country. But, I think there was 10k plus there. No doubt this one will be better.

I agree Pittsburgh is a negative bunch. I lived in Knoxville, that place is packed no matter the record. Pittsburgh, in every sport isnt like that.
Tennessee has really struggled in attendance the last few years. There were probably only 80 to 85K there at the Pitt game this year. The Vols barely had 60K at the Vandy game.

It's a myth that these SEC schools pack the stadium regardless of record. They can still pack it in against big rivals and top programs, but not every week.
 
Tennessee has really struggled in attendance the last few years. There were probably only 80 to 85K there at the Pitt game this year. The Vols barely had 60K at the Vandy game.

It's a myth that these SEC schools pack the stadium regardless of record. They can still pack it in against big rivals and top programs, but not every week.
Plus attendance is pretty much down everywhere.
 
Pickett's indecision is directly affecting the school's revenue for this bowl game. I get fans not wanting to dish out money to watch our backup play and likely go from a 3 point favorite to a 10 point dog. If Kenny doesnt play I guarantee there will be other Panthers that back out as well. But its just an exhibition so who cares, right?!?!?
Pitt is +1.5 now.
 
I am sure they didnt say that. However, its pretty clear MSU is selling faster than we are. Of course, they have 40,000 undergrad and we have 19,000, so of course you would expect that a bit.

However, this is Pitts first trip to a major bowl since the Fiesta. I went to the Fiesta, and Pitt repped pretty well, but with Utah being so close, they by far had a ton more fans there. We need to represent better this time around
I do think that some of the B1G fan bases plan on bowl games annually as a vacation. I know several PSU fans that just plan around it as if it's automatic. Worked with a guy that always goes. Also a lot of retired PSU fans in FL. That's not an excuse but what you're saying is pretty true.

I have no idea what the expectation is for Pitt at a game like this. Atlanta is doable drive. It's a pain but it's doable.
 
It’s also not that good to drive lol
Well, as drives go, it actually is. Most of the drive is wide-open roads with high speed limits and nice scenery. The first 4 hours or so through WV go by in a breeze with the only annoying part being the traffic lights around Summersville - they are not bad lights, just hate to stop at all. The area from Wytheville VA to the NC border is monitored like a police state, so have to slow down there and be careful, but usually is not too congested. From there to ATL is mostly good driving except for around Charlotte where all the cars are jammed into 2 congested lanes for 50 miles so there can be another 2 lanes next to them wide open that are hardly used because they are tolled.
 
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I do not agree. I would not go if Kenny does not play. I do not blame anyone who bought tickets to watch Pitt play which includes Kenny. It will not be fun going if Kenny not playing.
I disagree vehemently. It’s still a Pitt party all week. I can’t go due to work. I chose the championship game, but if time off wasn’t an issue, I’d be there for Pitt, Kenny or no Kenny.
 
Well, as drives go, it actually is. Most of the drive is wide-open roads with high speed limits and nice scenery. The first 4 hours or so through WV go by in a breeze with the only annoying part being the traffic lights around Summersville - they are not bad lights, just hate to stop at all. The area from Wytheville VA to the NC border is monitored like a police state, so have to slow down there and be careful, but usually is not too congested. From there to ATL is mostly good driving except for around Charlotte where all the cars are jammed into 2 congested lanes for 50 miles so there can be another 2 lanes next to them wide open that are hardly used because they are tolled.

I hang a right at 81 and cut over the mountains through Asheville and Greenville on interstate 26. It's a longer drive but you avoid Charlotte, get much better scenery through the Smokies, and can stop in Asheville for lunch.
 
It all depends who you get on the phone. For different events, I've gotten similar types of candid information from people in the office from time to time.
I just got off the phone with the Pitt ticket office. Was informed that next year's prices will indeed go up, said that next year the head coach and the offensive coordinator will be on good terms so that will juice up the offense making it a ticket more in demand, also said another factor is Tre Tipton may be back, as the time spent away from the program putting together L.O.V.E. most likely will be deemed a hardship by the NCAA, additionally on Pitt's uniforms the players names on the back will now also be Script, enhancing the fans experience, the final factor in raising prices is that you may get to sit beside the Purdy's.
 
Well, as drives go, it actually is. Most of the drive is wide-open roads with high speed limits and nice scenery. The first 4 hours or so through WV go by in a breeze with the only annoying part being the traffic lights around Summersville - they are not bad lights, just hate to stop at all. The area from Wytheville VA to the NC border is monitored like a police state, so have to slow down there and be careful, but usually is not too congested. From there to ATL is mostly good driving except for around Charlotte where all the cars are jammed into 2 congested lanes for 50 miles so there can be another 2 lanes next to them wide open that are hardly used because they are tolled.
Use the toll lanes around Charlotte..
It was only 7.50 for the tolls.
Well worth it..
I use them also when i drive to Florida.
Used them last week to Charlotte for the game.
 
The Pitt section at the fiesta bowl was half Utah fans . We sure as hell didn’t sell our allotment to Pitt fans


Yeah, that's right. Pitt's allotment was somewhere around 15,000 and they sold about half to Pitt fans and half to Utah fans. And there were some other Pitt fans scattered about the place that didn't buy tickets through Pitt (as there always are), so I agree with TheSpecialSauce, 65,000 Utah fans and 10,000 Pitt fans, give or take.
 
I'm already looking toward next year. I think it is a boost for next season if Patti starts in the bowl game. I will miss Kenny, but he is moving on. He was great and I think he's doing the right thing. Let's get behind the team and Patti! Let's Go Pitt.
 
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does easy pass work on them?
I don't believe so, which is one reason I didn't use them last week. They bill you by mail unless you have NC Pass thing. Other reason was I made such good time on the drive down, I was early for hotel check-in and in no particular hurry. Really is an easy drive.

For ATL I may use them, but I still find it comical that a bunch of taxpayers' money was used to build those lanes but you can only use them if you pay a toll. I guess I feel the same about all public toll roads but the setup around Char really drives the point home because they are mostly empty when I've been there, why not just let everyone use all 4 lanes and you'll have less traffic. Note I've never gone through during rush hour when they probably serve a better purpose.
 
I don't know; I kind of get it. If someone didn't want to travel to Atlanta to watch the Steelers play the Falcons because Ben was out (when he was actually a good player), no one would bat an eyelid. But for some reason we're supposed to treat Pitt like we have a son on the team and we bear an obligation to show familial support.

This is a big-money operation, and these tickets aren't free. If some of the players aren't going to take the game seriously, why should the fans be expected to? Both are within their rights. I'm fine with freedom of choice letting things sort themselves out, which is exactly what we have.
A family of 4 is going to drop $5k to fly to this game from Pittsburgh. If you drive, you're dropping $2k-$3k and killing 2 full days in a car to visit Atlanta in December. I can 100% understand how some people might change their mind if the Heisman candidate QB decides it's not worth it to him to play in the game.
 
A family of 4 is going to drop $5k to fly to this game from Pittsburgh. If you drive, you're dropping $2k-$3k and killing 2 full days in a car to visit Atlanta in December. I can 100% understand how some people might change their mind if the Heisman candidate QB decides it's not worth it to him to play in the game.
How do you come up with 2-3k by driving? It’s more like $1,000 to $1,500 for family of 4.
 
A family of 4 is going to drop $5k to fly to this game from Pittsburgh. If you drive, you're dropping $2k-$3k and killing 2 full days in a car to visit Atlanta in December. I can 100% understand how some people might change their mind if the Heisman candidate QB decides it's not worth it to him to play in the game.

My 4 tickets cost $800
Downtown 4 star hotel $325 for 2 nights.
Gas to and from Atlanta: $200

$1300 is cheap. Food doesn't count because you have to eat even if you didn't go.
 
How do you come up with 2-3k by driving? It’s more like $1,000 to $1,500 for family of 4.
$800-1200 for tickets. Another $100 spent at game.
$600 for hotel room & parking
1300 miles on your car
$500 on dinners / lunch unless you plan on eating every meal at McDonalds.
 
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My 4 tickets cost $800
Downtown 4 star hotel $325 for 2 nights.
Gas to and from Atlanta: $200

$1300 is cheap. Food doesn't count because you have to eat even if you didn't go.
A hotel for 2 nights at $325 means your room rate was like $100 per night. Find me 4 star hotel at $100 per night. Parking alone is $40-$50 per night.

You will be over $2k before you know it, or you're the cheapest dude on this earth. You don't eat out in Atlanta when you're at home mid week. The gotta eat analogy doesn't work. You'll drop several hundred more on food / drink, or at least I know I will.
 
$800-1200 for tickets. Another $100 spent at game.
$600 for hotel rooms & parking
1300 miles on your car
$500 on dinners / lunch unless you plan on eating every meal at McDonalds.
You can get tickets for $125. If you are buying club seats, then money isn’t an issue.
Tickets = $500.

You are paying for food no matter where you are. That doesn’t factor in.
 
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