Prized 2025 Alliquippa RB Tiqwai Hayes committed to the Pedophiles last night. And so it continues, Pitt’s offense looks like dog s*it with a 57 year old coordinator whose offense or personality doesn’t resonate with recruits. I think Hayes is also best friends with Cameron Lindsey, so that obviously potentially complicates things because with a really poor season, I think Lindsey may sniff around.
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Lindsey was at the whiteout last Saturday night.
This isnt a surprise considering Duzz has conceded WPA to Franklin. I thought maybe we had a slight chance since its Aliquippa but when Franklin gets involved, forget it. That said, the RB position is the least important in all of sports. Only a truly elite RB can make a difference. The RB position does mean more in college than in the pros though.
Assuming FCJR is gone after this season, a guy like Kyle Shanahan (who also serves as recruiting coordinator for JMU) is intriguing from a recruiting perspective. Is he young enough that him being from the WPIAL means he still has ties in the area? Does that translate into improved recruiting locally? I’m not sure.
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Its gotta be Shanahan. JMU is 4-0. Put up 36 on UVa (I know UVa sucks but would we?). He would want to be here and would hit the local recruiting trail hard.
Brilliant move by Hayes. He can battle it out with Quinton Martin to see who transfers first. PSU also recruited another 4 star running back as well in the same class.
Besides Miles Sanders, off the top of my head, I can’t think of a 4 Star WPIAL running back that has done well in recent years:
Russell Shell
Derrick Davis
Shai Mackenzie
In fact a small percentage of the WPIAL 4 Star players have had very little impact period. Look no further than the Pitt roster. Donald? Johnson? Ford? Jurkovec?
No tears from me….
Besides Miles Sanders, off the top of my head, I can’t think of a 4 Star WPIAL running back that has done well in recent years:
Russell Shell
Derrick Davis
Shai Mackenzie
In fact a small percentage of the WPIAL 4 Star players have had very little impact period. Look no further than the Pitt roster. Donald? Johnson? Ford? Jurkovec?
No tears from me….
Martin has a 0.0% chance of being a starting RB. He will move to WR or DB very quickly.
I think he's more like a linebacker. I think he'll be an outside LB in a 4-3 at WVU (post transfer)... or maybe they'll like him at safety, but we won't know for about two seasons from now.
I used to think that the WPIAL had to be our lifeblood for high-end talent, because it was the only way were were going to get legit 4-stars who other teams wanted here. And that was true for a while. Guys like Whitehead, Boyd, Hamlin, Baldwin, etc. don't give us a sniff if they're not from Pittsburgh.
But just too many guys have busted out for me to care too much anymore. These mega WPIAL classes in 2017 and 2021... my goodness. Wade, Ford, Thorpe, Adams, Donald, Johnson, Davis, Lugg, Jeter, etc. The best players from the two years combined might have been Kenny Robinson and Geno Stone. I guess Hinish and Zandier were also solid. But I don't think any of those four were even 4-stars. I don't subscribe to the theory that a FL 3-star is a PA 4-star, because these guys are all evaluated independently at camps, etc. But there's something off with the PA players lately. Not suggesting we still don't go after them; I'm just saying I'm a little less sad about losing them until they start producing at a little better mark again.
But just too many guys have busted out for me to care too much anymore. These mega WPIAL classes in 2017 and 2021... my goodness. Wade, Ford, Thorpe, Adams, Donald, Johnson, Davis, Lugg, Jeter, etc. The best players from the two years combined might have been Kenny Robinson and Geno Stone. I guess Hinish and Zandier were also solid. But I don't think any of those four were even 4-stars. I don't subscribe to the theory that a FL 3-star is a PA 4-star, because these guys are all evaluated independently at camps, etc. But there's something off with the PA players lately. Not suggesting we still don't go after them; I'm just saying I'm a little less sad about losing them until they start producing at a little better mark again.
Yea, I see him as one of those roided up PSU LB's once the roids kick in.
Amen. That’s not being negative or sour grapes, that’s a fact. Some of the three star players have done well, but the 4 star players are few and far between. If posters don’t believe that, they can look for themselves.. Here’s one. example:
TE:
Aaron Beatty - Transferred to Albany
Josh Rawlings - 3rd string TE for 0-3 VA
Bartholomew is better and more talented than either player and it’s not close.
Doubters need to do their homework and compare what we could have had versus what we got…
It wasn't a surprise and was expected. He wasn't coming here and said himself he wanted to be a nitter since his freshman year.
Martin got shut down by TJ and the kid is IMO overrated. As for Hayes good luck up there in cow country and enjoy the shower facilities. H2P
I believe he wants a shot a RB which is one reason he committed there. Below is Hayes’ competition, but I’m sure he’ll just walk right in and start… He might be the next Dorsett or the next Shell. I’m betting on the latter…
2024 Class:
Corey Smith - 4 Stars
Quinton Martin - 4 Stars
2025 Class:
Kiandrea Barker - 4 Star from TX
I don't even have a problem with guys on that level busting out, because that's everywhere. But the 4* hit rate for WPIAL players seems way too low.
Using Composite:
2017 - Ford, Wade, Lugg, Thorpe, Jeter... I guess they bumped Adams out before final rankings
Ford had one great season. Lugg, Jeter, and Wade all worked up to being late-career starters, I believe, but they were starters in the same way Nate Temple is a starter. They just outlasted the competition. Thorpe didn't last.
2018 - Jurkovec, Raines
We know about Jurkovec; Raines didn't last.
2019 - Kristofic, Porter Jr.
Porter Jr. was a hit. Kristofic is a backup in year five.
2020 - Carmody, Fisher, Hayes
I have no idea what Fisher is doing. Carmody was a bust. Hayes is mostly just okay.
2021 - Davis, McMillon, Johnson, Donald, Dinkins
No idea what Dinkins is doing. McMillon looks like he could be a really good LB here; he should make that move. He seems to be the closest any one them might come to being a special player (unless Dinkins is on that track and I just don't know about it).
I'm calling that 1/17 on 4-stars producing up to their ranking. Not so hot of a fraction if you ask me.
Nice run down. Biggest miss in 2017 was Hinnish, who I didn't expect to be as good as he was (I thought Wheeler on that PCC team who went to Pitt was the better prospect).
Porter a definite loss, Kristofic seemed to get lost in the shuffle. Probably an example of a local guy/legacy who would have been treated better had he stayed home and would have been a multi-year starter at Pitt.
Hayes I would say is good, still time to develop even more. Fisher? Is he the d-line from the Quips? Think he might be in the rotation at the cow pasture but not setting the world on fire.
I never would have guessed McMillon would have been the best from 2021 (just like I was wrong on Hinnish). That's the thing with 3-stars. Seems to be a lot of wiggle room where they can really take off and overperform the 4 and 5 star kids.
Yeah, I don't even mean to suggest there aren't guys on that list who we wouldn't like to have. Lugg starting for ND as a 5th or 6th year guy, Jeter being at least in the rotation for a nationally-relevant Michigan team, etc. Of course we'd take that. And, like you alluded to, Kristofic might be starting right now.
But these guys are all Dante Taylors (solid contributor by the end, but never lived up to they hype) more than they are Tyler Boyds or something. And so far only one has been drafted.
Then you have Fearbry in 2022, who I think was rated way too highly (third string at Kentucky right now, I think, which isn't necessarily awful for a young d-linemen) and Gallagher and Robinson in 2023. I guess we'll see, but I at least think Gallagher was too high.
Plenty of people seem to think he is. I doubt PN would turn him down.
And having that opinion is fine, but it comes across as sour grapes.
To me, at least, it seems that insulting local kids who go elsewhere, and then complaining about the fact that they won't come here anymore, is counterproductive. It's only a message board, and I doubt it matters to these kids, but it can't help perceptions.
Some of these kids really rub me the wrong way about the way they go about their business at times, but Martin hasn't been one of them. I've only seen him play once, last year, and I can't say either way how much of a prospect he is, but I'd be happy to give him the chance.
It’s all good. You usually don’t see a bump in recruiting until 4-5 years AFTER a conference championship.
STHU, loser and pay attention you cross-eyed elf!
They aren’t good players! They’re average to above average players! Yeah, that’s exactly what Pitt needs, more average local players!
Beat it you low IQ, basement dwelling turd!
I'll be honest, Martin is an enigma to me. Two people who watched the TJ game Friday night both told me that BV's offense was better with him outside at WR. I also watched him be something of a non-factor offensively against an overmatched Central Martinsburg team in the state playoffs last year. He really didn't get a ton of touches in the championship game, either. You'd think a blue chip, can't miss 5-star would be a dominant weapon in those kinds of games. Really don't know where he's playing at PSU and they could have a rock solid plan to make him a superstar but I'm just not seeing dominance by him at the HS level against decent teams.
I heard from an Quip football parent last year that big money NIL was already coming his way
The loser will just make another fake addy when it gets deleted but will never expose his real addy. Chicken shit
Douchebag pedo alert! Wow nothing else to do but hang on the Pitt site! What a pathetic loser. Hang in there Pedo the snow will be flying in 2-3 months and you can get back to work!
Well this thread is about a local kid who chose to spend 3-4 years in crappy valley so we have a thread about it. He is just a loser that instead of being on his team's site chooses to hang on another team's site.
Is this thread for real?
Like, seriously, I would love to know if you all are just trolling, or what? Do you think these kids base where they are going on playcalling? Its NIL deals now, UPS and Franklin are incredibly interested in offering huge money for local Pittsburgh kids because he has a boner for us. Who cares, when did the last one pan out for him? Furthermore, we have the best recruiting class we had in awhile. If a kid gets a million dollar offer to go to a school, HE SHOULD TAKE THE MONEY. Its awesome and all that we get NFL hall of famers, and we run the ball a lot, have nice coaches and a beautiful city, but no way that compares to cold hard cash without doing or proving anything. Saying Pitts offense doesnt resonate with a running back recruit is nuts, we just had Abanikanda here running nuts and getting drafted by the Jets last year. Its all about the NIL now
Franklin is becoming Deion Sanders-lite. Inviting rappers to games. Gotta be great for recruiting. I never heard of this person but I guess she is a big deal. I read something about why Black America hasnt adopted Franklin like Sanders. He's trying though and the recruiting shows.
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It’s not sour grapes. The cause of most of the anger is directed towards posters who act as if the program will fold if we don’t land local kids.
Especially when you look back later and find out the 4 Star players that trolls and fatalists bellyache about turned out to be average at best.
Most of us are sick of it. It’s rinse and repeat every year…
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