Recruiting is an inexact science, for sure. A large percentage of these kids don't live up to their billing, even at places like Bama. Robert Foster comes to mind.
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Didn't he run 4.85 this past summer?
Maybe that he was someone else?
He's closer to Daniel Carter then he is Shady McCoy.
Maybe that he was someone else?
He's closer to Daniel Carter then he is Shady McCoy.
Shell is a good comparison to Hayes. Shell was an average to below average D1 RB. Had an ok career at WVU.
Yes…Some will turn out well (Porter, Sanders, Hudson) and some won’t.
The biggest buffoonery of all is I swear they would rather land a 4 Star local player that’s a bust and LOSE, than to land a better player elsewhere and win…
Example: They would rather have Donavan Jeter than three All-Americans (Twyman, Weaver and Jones).
They would rather have Shell than Connor
They would rather have Jurkovec than Pickett
Many other examples…
I think the broader problem is that if Pitt isn’t landing kids from their backyard, where is their pipeline? You can’t say Florida because they were recruiting the 3rd or 4th tier of kids to begin with. Same with Ohio, Jersey and the DMV. I don’t think people expect Pitt to get every kid in the WPIAL, but they lose A LOT of kids. And it’s not fair to a kid to label him a bust if he doesn’t produce at another school other than Pitt, there are a billion reasons why it may not have worked out for him.
I get what you are saying, but you still can't predict that your 3-star guys are all reliably going to turn into All-Americans. After the fact, you can say yeah sure, who cares if we didn't get the underperforming 4-star, but at the very beginning, you are still going to want to play the odds.
We've had an enormous amount of success with 3-star guys turning into NFL players. But, is it playing with fire to think that it will continue at the same rate? I think it is, which is why I'm pessimistic about Narduzzi maintaining. At some point, it levels out, and your 50th ranked class just produces like a 50th ranked class.
Fisher came in as a Mike, got moved to DE pretty quick. Suffered a leg injury and somehow made it back last year. He's currently our #5 DE, part of the rotation. Light seems to be coming on.
Dinkins is #3 TE. Just caught a TD Saturday night. Still a little thin, blocking isn't great yet, but he's got great receiving skills.
Both will be starters or #2s next year, pending who comes and goes.
Why isn't it fair? Regardless of the school, regardless of the reason, a bust is a bust.
Franklin is becoming Deion Sanders-lite. Inviting rappers to games. Gotta be great for recruiting. I never heard of this person but I guess she is a big deal. I read something about why Black America hasnt adopted Franklin like Sanders. He's trying though and the recruiting shows.
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Not unless staff changes are made. Transfer portal can help if u have the right connections. H2P
I have no idea who she is but I tried a google search and apparently you have to be very careful how you do that or you get in trouble with IT.
There are MANY MORE 3 Star players than 4-5 star players. The key is projecting what a 3 Star player will be like 2/3 years down the road. If you hit on the majority of them, you will be in good shape. Pitt has done a good job. The staff is paid to evaluate, recruit and develop.
People always say: “Gee, look at the schools who get the most 4-5 star players. They’re always in the hunt for national championships!”
Well no $hit! They aren’t getting 4-5 star players from PA! Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, FSU, Oklahoma, and Texas are getting them in the states they’re in.
So when Pitt goes to Florida, Georgia, Virginia and Ohio to get players, (where there is a depth of talent), the the low IQ trolls and the zombies are more upset about missing on an overrated players from an overrated state.
In the past few years you are right. The 3 stars were pretty good.
Right now, not looking that way.
Agree with you. This year is a great example of leveling out. Perhaps some of the younger 3 star guys will eventually blossom and possibly be nfl caliber. When you lose what we lost from last year, there is bound to be some regression. That said, I am looking at this year's team and having a hard time projecting who might wind up developing into a nfl player. Bartholomew is the most obvious talent. I see no one else on the offensive side of the ball who has a shot. Devonshire will have a shot, but, he isn't exactly dominant like Duzz's early comments suggested. Hayes will get a look and if healthy Kamara has perhaps the best outlook. The point remains, if your only getting 3 star players, your program could level off, or possibly take a giant step back like this year.
I said this before, the team simply lacks talent and this probably the most talent-less team since Majors II. Bartholomew, Devonshire, and Kamara are not locks. Its possible that this team doesnt have 1 NFL player. And that is on Duzz and his assistants for recruiting failures.
I think the problem is the small classes. When you're recruiting mostly 3*s instead of 4*s you're going to have a lower hit rate, no matter who you are.
They fell victim to loving the guys they had and kept them around with the Covid year. Guys like Danielson, Greene, Bentley are good to have when you have a guy like Kancey. Without him, they're average. Same with OL and LB.
They need to recruit numbers every year and separate the wheat from the chaff. You can't recruit class sizes in the teens. Then use the portal to fill in where needed.
The class size aspect is a good point.
But it’s just generally disturbing that so few playmakers are emerging among the guys that are snagging of late, and fewer still have interest to commit to us, and that includes more known entities from the portal. The Watson years were bad but one got the sense that was strictly a bad hire, that there was some talent that could be mined and could be rectified with a competent OC. Whipple took too long to prove that assertion correct, but eventually did.
However it is looking like both the Oc and the players are deficient now.
And after what was seen last week, there shouldn’t be much faith that the defense or ST are any better.
Anyone who survived the mid to late 90s should be feeding some chills about now
This is where I'm at. This team is just about as bad as Majors II. Luckily we have a few Rutgers and Temple's to play so our record won't look as bad at 4-8. But its possible this could be a 1-11 or 2-10 team. Its that bad.
You guys are so dramatic. It's not anywhere near Majors II, and frankly that's just stupid talk.
I mean, lose to Virginia Tech, and this thing may torpedo. I don’t think we beat Louisville, maybe we go on the road to beat Wake, but then it’s 2 definite losses to Notre Dame and Florida State. 2-7 or 1-8 and I think Narduzzi loses the team.
The Majors 2 teams had NFL players. Who is this team's NFL players? Its close
What a lot of these guys here don’t get, or don’t care to get, is that we are a program different from almost all others, including what would be considered “peers” based only on things on paper.
A Pitt maybe unlike a UVA, VT, etc and certainly not a blue blood, can’t afford to be complacent, not even for one season. Yet many thought (still think) winning in 2021 was a license to chill.
It wasn’t. If anything it called for twice the vigilance, to capitalize on what was essentially a miracle season (KP and others getting that Covid year, and corresponding with the blind luck that Addison was as good as he was).
With that (as should be clear by now) miracle, we needed to triple down on things, not merely hard work and intelligent decisions (Cig and Slovis being the polar opposite of those), but especially the school coming to terms with the unpleasant reality that the NIL revolution and the ACC rumblings were/are existential crises that needed top attention, not “ok, we had a nice season, now we’ve we earned a few years to go on cruise control”.
This program Is always one or two dog seasons from spiraling right back into the 90s.
As for 3 stars and overall classes, i will repeat myself
A class of 3 stars all of a sudden looks pretty good IF....the QB in that class pans out and delivers
Given our reliance on 5thyear+ transfers at the position the results should come as no surprise.
We need a recruiter that can bring in a playmaking QB.
That guy is NOT presently on this staff.
A class of 3 stars all of a sudden looks pretty good IF....the QB in that class pans out and delivers
Given our reliance on 5thyear+ transfers at the position the results should come as no surprise.
We need a recruiter that can bring in a playmaking QB.
That guy is NOT presently on this staff.
Many people don't want to accept it, but us becoming Virginia, BC, or Georgia Tech is certainly not out of the realm of possibilitieIs with where we recruit.
We landed Weaver because Michigan pulled some 11th hour BS. We landed Twyman because Jeter shockingly didn't come here. We landed Dennis because Khadry Jackson decommitted. I'm not saying we don't get credit for these guys; but there is absolutely some luck involved when you're recruiting where we do. We don't even get the occasional Whitehead or Addison anymore--guys with legit blue blood offers, not what some recruiting site has listed.
That's why I said we better enjoy it while it lasts. We had the most stability in the division at a time when there was more of a premium on it than ever before. But we're back to the drawing board now, and Narduzzi isn't as infallible at building a team as some seem to think he is. Look how many DE's - arguably the most important position on this defense - we've missed on somewhat recently.
I'm not writing Pitt off, and I do think Narduzzi has earned the benefit of the doubt. But I said many times this off-season I could sense fans getting way too big for their britches, as if we've "arrived" at a new level and could save our progress. Winning just isn't that easy when you recruit similar to or worse than like 75% of your schedule.
What was the difference between Addison and Kenny Johnson as recruits?
Addison had Notre Dame and Michigan offers, albeit as a cornerback. He was also a top 300 composite recruit.
Addison and Kenny Johnson?
Addison:
275 national composite (.9044 overall grade)
Blue blood offers from Michigan and Notre Dame
Listed as #10 composite athlete in the country (247 was bullish and had him at 131 nationally and the 4th best athlete)
Johnson:
733 national composite (.8744 overall grade)
Listed Penn State offer, but I heard it was not committable
Composite #101 receiver in the country
Listen, Johnson seems like a nice prospect but he's a kid who wont be a plus WR until Year 3 or 4. And the fact he cant beat out friggin Bub Means is alarming.
Blue Blood offers from ND and UM as a DB not as a WR.
As a WR they were basically the same recruit. They basically have the same type of offer sheet as WR's.
In terms of PSU offer, it was committable. Did it have an expiration date on it - yes. If Jimmy Franks extends an offer, they aren't non-committable.
It didn't have an expiration date; he was slow-played. They didn't want him to jump on it.
Talent wise, no. When we look at this year's final record, there will be a distinct resemblance.
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