Today is the 20-year anniversary of Pitt FB hitting rock bottom

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

To be honest, it was inexcusable that Pitt fell so far, so fast. That's exactly what happens when you have large portion of trustees and donors not caring at all about sports.

I remember that day. WORST HANGOVER OF MY LIFE!! I just landed a big contract with Mitsubishi Nuclear Division and we went celebrating the night before with Sake and Japanese whiskey. And sushi. Sushi is not exactly the best base to absorb alcohol.

I was dead. I was living in Greenville, SC then, went with a couple of buddies to a sports bar to get bloody marys (hair of the dog and pizza to help me stop puking) and it was littered with tOSU fans. They actually felt sorry and took pity on us which is probably worse than laughter and scorn.

 

[Swervin27]

 

[TD_6082]

It's funny, I was actually talking about that game just yesterday with one of my very closest friends – a fanatical Ohio State fan.

He asked me if that game was rock bottom for Pitt football and I said no, I don't think so. I think the entire season definitely was rock bottom but for me at least, the low point was not the Ohio State game.

Let me put this in the context for the younger people on here and for the older people who have forgotten how bad it was.

Other losses that year included:
West Virginia: 34-0
Notre Dame: 60–6
Miami: 45–0
Syracuse: 55-7

That means in the five biggest games of the season Pitt was outscored 266-13.

And yet, somewhat miraculously, those weren't the low points either – at least from my perspective.

The lowest point came after a 53–52 Panthers WIN over Temple in which Pitt came back from 17 points down in the fourth quarter to steal the game.

Owls Coach Ron Dickerson was so upset that his team lost to Pitt that he resigned on the spot after a tear-filled press conference that included what appeared to be a very genuine breakdown of some sort.

Think about that for a second: the coach of Temple - TEMPLE! - was so upset that his team lost a game to Pitt that he resigned on the spot.

That was CLEARLY the low point in my Pitt fandom. Again, if you are too young you may not fully understand just how perpetually heinous Temple was at the time. I cannot think of a comparable example right now in the entire P5 – which is essentially where Pitt and Temple were at the time.

That Pitt team somehow won four games and I am telling you I still have no idea how they did that? That was probably the worst major college football team I have ever seen.

Somehow they did win 4 games, and I think they took Houston to OT, in the first ever OT game for Pitt.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Here's the thing though, at least from my perspective: once you've already fallen off the cliff, not a whole lot scares you.

This is why I always tell people to relax with all the hyperbole re: Pitt football. I've seen HORRIFIC Pitt football before and this isn't that and it's not remotely close to that.

Most of the time when people are screaming from the rooftops about how horrible things are I just think back to those mid 90s teams and laugh.

We are 1000 times better now than we were in those years. We obviously still have a long way to go but people need to relax with all the panic every time we lose a game or a prized recruit.

I think that's also why I typically find myself defending the coaches. I know how hard it is to win at the University of Pittsburgh and I've seen the way we treat our coaches and I absolutely hate it.

What Walt Harris did here was nothing short of miraculous and people couldn't wait to run him out of town.

It was surreal.

I think it was much the same with Dave Wannstedt. I have learned from reading this message board that I'm one of the rare people who liked both Walt and Wanny. I think we let Wanny go at least a year or two too soon as well.

I just thought the program was on more solid footing from a talent perspective than I had seen it in decades and I just couldn't see the wisdom in tearing everything down and starting all over again when we were right on the doorstep of our goal: conference championships.

That seemed really dumb to me at the time and it seems even dumber in retrospect.

So, Hell yeah I defended Chryst and you can bet I'm going to defend Narduzzi too. Now, if they screw up, I'll call them out on it. I was pretty brutal on Chryst after the Duke loss for running to the far right hashmark - after making the exact PHUCKING same mistake at Notre Dame the year before.

Urghhhh!

However, he was doing pretty good job here overall and I do believe that we were going to win with him.... if we were patient enough to stick it out.

I think we have an even better coach in Pat Narduzzi and we're going to win with this guy too – perhaps even bigger than we would've one with Paul Chryst. However, it's going to take time and patience with Duzz too. He has to get his guys in here playing his system and they have to learn and develop. We are still 2–3 years away from seriously competing for the Coastal Division. Anyone predicting otherwise is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

And for the people who just flat out refuse to grant time or patience, you know, the imbeciles that "refuse to accept mediocrity," will guarantee you I'm going to be a tack in your ass going forward because I think that shortsighted mentality has just devastated this program time and again over the years.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

The lowest point happened after the season when Boston College was accused of point shaving and they pointed to the Pitt loss as proof. No one believed Pitt could beat BC straight up.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

One thing Pitt has had a real history of doing......is folding. Quitting. I hate PSU as much or more than anyone, but look at that game against us, hot, they were being totally gashed, they could have easily quit and allowed us to do a 48-14 beat down, but they came back and almost stole it.

This program has exorcised some demons, but still they are there.

 

[Swervin27]

One thing Pitt has had a real history of doing......is folding. Quitting. I hate PSU as much or more than anyone, but look at that game against us, hot, they were being totally gashed, they could have easily quit and allowed us to do a 48-14 beat down, but they came back and almost stole it.

This program has exorcised some demons, but still they are there.

we pulled out some games last year, ones we've typically lost.. Va tech, we kept taking it to them, UVA, Cuse was a game we could have lost.

The iowa and Ga tech games kind of wipe themselves out. They hit a bs field goal and of course we hit one too. Kicks that are made 1 out of 5 times, if that.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Here's the thing though, at least from my perspective: once you've already fallen off the cliff, not a whole lot scares you.

This is why I always tell people to relax with all the hyperbole re: Pitt football. I've seen HORRIFIC Pitt football before and this isn't that and it's not remotely close to that.

Most of the time when people are screaming from the rooftops about how horrible things are I just think back to those mid 90s teams and laugh.

We are 1000 times better now than we were in those years. We obviously still have a long way to go but people need to relax with all the panic every time we lose a game or a prized recruit.

I think that's also why I typically find myself defending the coaches. I know how hard it is to win at the University of Pittsburgh and I've seen the way we treat our coaches and I absolutely hate it.

What Walt Harris did here was nothing short of miraculous and people couldn't wait to run him out of town.

It was surreal.

I think it was much the same with Dave Wannstedt. I have learned from reading this message board that I'm one of the rare people who liked both Walt and Wanny. I think we let Wanny go at least a year or two too soon as well.

I just thought the program was on more solid footing from a talent perspective than I had seen it in decades and I just couldn't see the wisdom in tearing everything down and starting all over again when we were right on the doorstep of our goal: conference championships.

That seemed really dumb to me at the time and it seems even dumber in retrospect.

So, Hell yeah I defended Chryst and you can bet I'm going to defend Narduzzi too. Now, if they screw up, I'll call them out on it. I was pretty brutal on Chryst after the Duke loss for running to the far right hashmark - after making the exact PHUCKING same mistake at Notre Dame the year before.

Urghhhh!

However, he was doing pretty good job here overall and I do believe that we were going to win with him.... if we were patient enough to stick it out.

I think we have an even better coach in Pat Narduzzi and we're going to win with this guy too – perhaps even bigger than we would've one with Paul Chryst. However, it's going to take time and patience with Duzz too. He has to get his guys in here playing his system and they have to learn and develop. We are still 2–3 years away from seriously competing for the Coastal Division. Anyone predicting otherwise is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

And for the people who just flat out refuse to grant time or patience, you know, the imbeciles that "refuse to accept mediocrity," will guarantee you I'm going to be a tack in your ass going forward because I think that shortsighted mentality has just devastated this program time and again over the years.

But you can't compare. That is like saying look how bad of shape a person is in, when they just ate donuts, pizza, watched TV and drink Coke by the liters. Exercise to them was going to the toilet or fridge. Now, out of shape, yet eating more salads and vegetables, exercising, and still being fat instead of fit.

We didn't try then, in fact I think we tried to literally kill football to 1AA because of some uptight, old and now hopefully dead and gone donors and trustees who were embarrassed by the football success and embarrassed by the football and basketball team's recruiting antics.

 

[OriginalEther]

yes..

Especially considering the state of football in 1993. Not too many, if any, hurry up spread offenses.
A lot of people thought Pitt could win that game against vtech and start 2-0, as tech was picked to finish near the bottom of the conference. Turns out that was vtechs breakout game.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

we pulled out some games last year, ones we've typically lost.. Va tech, we kept taking it to them, UVA, Cuse was a game we could have lost.

The iowa and Ga tech games kind of wipe themselves out. They hit a bs field goal and of course we hit one too. Kicks that are made 1 out of 5 times, if that.

Yeah, and in past years we would have lost by 25 points or more at OK State, so like I said, we are exorcising some of these demons.....but......we still need some luck. We need some luck.

There is no better example of what "luck" can do for a sports team(program or franchise) than the Penguins. In the 70's and early 80's, rotten luck and rotten decisions, then they sucked soooo bad, just at the perfect time, they tanked into getting Lemieux. They started to build a winner, Lemieux comes down with a devastating back injury, they backslide out of the playoffs, into a top 5 pick which happened to be Jaromir Jagr who scammed the 4 teams in front of the Pens into not taking him because he wanted to play with Mario. The rest is history. The ownership faltered, the league started to falter a bit, the Pens became the Pirates in many ways and hit rock bottom just at the right time. They drafted Fleury 1 overall, Malkin 2 overall (who 8 times out of 10 would be #1 overall) and then the ping pong dropped and they got Sid. Again.......history.

Pitt has gotten in many ways elite talents, elite individual talents, but we haven't been able to bunch it together with other elite talents...or and this is most important, the elite talent is a QB. We haven't had a QB who can win a game since Marino.

 

[TD_6082]

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what is funny now is I remember Pitt breaking out the new mustard yellow unis in 93 and we played first game of season on espn, night game against Southern Miss. Tom Tumulty has 1 or 2 ints, we win. I am thinking, OK, here we go..

So again, still in high school, me and buddies go down to pitt the next week, looking for tickets. cant find any (think money might have been an issue). So we eventually get some free ones after game starts and this is Va tech game.. we are walking up hill and tons of students leaving game. Im wondering, game just started, where the hell are they going. we get up ther and game is over by 2nd quarter. Think Va tech had over 500 rushing yards against us. 500 rushing yards. Needless to say, things got worse that year.

I remember Dr Jerry Punch kept taking a USM player's temperature on the sideline. That was a little strange.

 

[Jakey_John]

September 8, 2001 was only a little over 15 years ago

Debut of all blue, loss to USF. That was not a particularly high point in Pitt FB history either. I was there with my parents and friend of my dad's. Had been out late the night before, Sun was burning bright. With the exception of the company it was not a recipe for a good day.

 

[Swervin27]

Debut of all blue, loss to USF. That was not a particularly high point in Pitt FB history either. I was there with my parents and friend of my dad's. Had been out late the night before, Sun was burning bright. With the exception of the company it was not a recipe for a good day.

Hot ass day, first game in Heinz.. ugly, AB got hurt returning a punt..

 

[pittzap]

You guys remember that tosu game, 72 - 0, that could have very easily, and I say this with zero sarcasm or exaggeration, that came could have EASILY ended up 100+ - 0. They did not throw the ball once in the second half. They played pretty much every running back they had on the roster, at one point I think they had a band member come down and run a few plays..

To say they called the dogs off early is an understatement.

Nick Goings got some carries against Pitt that day.

 

[pittzap]

Hot ass day, first game in Heinz.. ugly, AB got hurt returning a punt..

No, the first game at Heinz was against ETSU. Pitt won something like 35-0 that day. On the first offensive play, David Priestley did a read option and ran 85 yards for a TD. It took about 25 seconds for him to get there, but no one was around him. This was when Walt tried to run the spread.

AB did hurt his ankle that day, though. Hurt it on a punt return right where I was sitting.

 

[Swervin27]

Nick Goings got some carries against Pitt that day.

goings had a carry, cant remember against who, were he breaks thru the line of scrimmage and actually punishes the linebacker. I mean, I've never seen anything like it. He literally ran at him and checked him so hard. I wish I could find it. It was so impressive.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

Hot ass day, first game in Heinz.. ugly, AB got hurt returning a punt..

Second game. They had beat East Tennessee State the week before and Wlat sang with Cool and the Gang after. Jesus, cheesy steve was horrible at promotions. And logos. And life.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Pittsburgh_Panthers_football_team

Despite stinking Pitt still played Virginia Tech tough.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Especially considering the state of football in 1993. Not too many, if any, hurry up spread offenses.
A lot of people thought Pitt could win that game against vtech and start 2-0, as tech was picked to finish near the bottom of the conference. Turns out that was vtechs breakout game.

yeah, I remember that 93 game against Tech. I thought the Majors affect was real after the good start. Then Tech blew us out of the stadium, think they scored 60 points.

But the Tech game that hurt worse was 1995. Year 3 of the Majors regime. Seemed like progress was being made. Brutal early schedule that had back to back games with Ohio State and Texas. But at 2-2, had hope to finally make noise in the Big East by beating Tech. Instead, Billy West broke his leg that game, Tech won, and Pitt lost every other game that season to finish 2-9. After that game, that's when I knew the Majors era was finished.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Somehow they did win 4 games, and I think they took Houston to OT, in the first ever OT game for Pitt.

that's the funny thing, 1996 was the "best" season for Majors in that it was his most wins.

 

[Panther Holla]

It's funny, I was actually talking about that game just yesterday with one of my very closest friends – a fanatical Ohio State fan.

He asked me if that game was rock bottom for Pitt football and I said no, I don't think so. I think the entire season definitely was rock bottom but for me at least, the low point was not the Ohio State game.

Let me put this in the context for the younger people on here and for the older people who have forgotten how bad it was.

Other losses that year included:
West Virginia: 34-0
Notre Dame: 60–6
Miami: 45–0
Syracuse: 55-7

That means in the five biggest games of the season Pitt was outscored 266-13.

And yet, somewhat miraculously, those weren't the low points either – at least from my perspective.

The lowest point came after a 53–52 Panthers WIN over Temple in which Pitt came back from 17 points down in the fourth quarter to steal the game.

Owls Coach Ron Dickerson was so upset that his team lost to Pitt that he resigned on the spot after a tear-filled press conference that included what appeared to be a very genuine breakdown of some sort.

Think about that for a second: the coach of Temple - TEMPLE! - was so upset that his team lost a game to Pitt that he resigned on the spot.

That was CLEARLY the low point in my Pitt fandom. Again, if you are too young you may not fully understand just how perpetually heinous Temple was at the time. I cannot think of a comparable example right now in the entire P5 – which is essentially where Pitt and Temple were at the time.

That Pitt team somehow won four games and I am telling you I still have no idea how they did that? That was probably the worst major college football team I have ever seen.

Dickerson reversed his decision and led the Owls to a win over Pitt the following year.

 

[cruzer]

I was at that game and stayed until the clock turned 00. I figured that later in life (like now) I could say that I saw every miserable play in that game. On the flip side, I was a freshman the year we won the national championship, so I've had the thrill of seeing the very best and the despair of seeing the very worst. I'm hoping I live long enough to see at least one more championship.

Cruzer

 

[Swervin27]

More proof of retarted people being here.

The game was at osu moron. Geez... first some assclown wants to start this thread, then a no talent ass clown (actually that is a insult to all us locker room guys) band wagons incorrectly.

Hey, guess what??? I went to 4 OSU games that year as I lived nearby. Every OSU game had thousands of visiting fans. THAT IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AT FOOTBALL GAMES.

he is talking about the game in 95, it was at pitt. They whipped our ass. Think it was Glenn who had about 300 yards receiving.. I kid you not about walking into zeldas, it is blazed into my mind. Freaking oversized flag on a Friday night in a pitt college bar. dude looked like Mel Gibson in Patriot, minus the horse and the limeys..

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

he is talking about the game in 95, it was at pitt. They whipped our ass. Think it was Glenn who had about 300 yards receiving.. I kid you not about walking into zeldas, it is blazed into my mind. Freaking oversized flag on a Friday night in a pitt college bar. dude looked like Mel Gibson in Patriot, minus the horse and the limeys..

The other scary thing is that in the 90's O$U was good with Cooper, but not like they were with sweater vest & urban legend. So imagine how many wold invade town if we played.

 

[bwh05]

he is talking about the game in 95, it was at pitt. They whipped our ass. Think it was Glenn who had about 300 yards receiving.. I kid you not about walking into zeldas, it is blazed into my mind. Freaking oversized flag on a Friday night in a pitt college bar. dude looked like Mel Gibson in Patriot, minus the horse and the limeys..

If you can recall, what exactly did your WVU friends say that Pitt was doing that was so crazy? As a former coach this kind of stuff always interests me.

 

[sherepower]

Actually it was the first play from scrimmage and his first college rushing attempt. 70 plus yards thru a 10 yard hole in the D Line. I believe I was never as pissed off as I was after that game.

I can honestly say. There are not many programs who can say what Pitt fans have been through. Having a elite program in the late 70's through the 80's. Only to see it drop to the very bottom in less than a decade.

We didn't even get sanctioned. Yet, we somehow collapsed in such a short time

 

[Panther Holla]

I can honestly say. There are not many programs who can say what Pitt fans have been through. Having a elite program in the late 70's through the 80's. Only to see it drop to the very bottom in less than a decade.

We didn't even get sanctioned. Yet, we somehow collapsed in such a short time

Pitt self-sanctioned. Thanks to (cue Beano Cook) the Eggheads in the Cathedral, aka Bozik. Self-immolation....Did Paul Hackett sink USC or were the Trojans on the way down before his arrival?

 

[Panther Holla]

The other scary thing is that in the 90's O$U was good with Cooper, but not like they were with sweater vest & urban legend. So imagine how many wold invade town if we played.

Ohio State fans filling Heinz would look like ketchup being poured over American cheese.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Pittsburgh_Panthers_football_team

Despite stinking Pitt still played Virginia Tech tough.

Damn. Largest non WVU crowd was 30K. WVU was also the home opener too. Yikes.

 

[Panther Holla]

When Ohio State crushed us at Pitt the week after Pitt got blown out by Virginia Tech, I got into an exchange with a middle aged Buckeye fan, a 50ish woman, face painted scarlet and gray, hair tinted to match. She took offense that I was disparaging the OSU marching band. ("It's only a four-letter word. Can't you spell it out any damn faster?") So she turns to her husband in a huff and says, "These Pitt fans should be more respectful. They're losing, after all."

To which I spun around on the bleacher in Section 4, Row 47, and replied flatly with youthful conviction, "Ma'am, yes you are killing us. And last week so did Virginia Tech. In fact they got to 35 points faster than the Buckeyes did. So if you think you're special and we should be impressed, think again, cuz we get our asses kicked every week. Now, about Michigan...."

 

[President Stache]

Here's the thing though, at least from my perspective: once you've already fallen off the cliff, not a whole lot scares you.

This is why I always tell people to relax with all the hyperbole re: Pitt football. I've seen HORRIFIC Pitt football before and this isn't that and it's not remotely close to that.

Most of the time when people are screaming from the rooftops about how horrible things are I just think back to those mid 90s teams and laugh.

We are 1000 times better now than we were in those years. We obviously still have a long way to go but people need to relax with all the panic every time we lose a game or a prized recruit.

I think that's also why I typically find myself defending the coaches. I know how hard it is to win at the University of Pittsburgh and I've seen the way we treat our coaches and I absolutely hate it.

What Walt Harris did here was nothing short of miraculous and people couldn't wait to run him out of town.

It was surreal.

I think it was much the same with Dave Wannstedt. I have learned from reading this message board that I'm one of the rare people who liked both Walt and Wanny. I think we let Wanny go at least a year or two too soon as well.

I just thought the program was on more solid footing from a talent perspective than I had seen it in decades and I just couldn't see the wisdom in tearing everything down and starting all over again when we were right on the doorstep of our goal: conference championships.

That seemed really dumb to me at the time and it seems even dumber in retrospect.

So, Hell yeah I defended Chryst and you can bet I'm going to defend Narduzzi too. Now, if they screw up, I'll call them out on it. I was pretty brutal on Chryst after the Duke loss for running to the far right hashmark - after making the exact PHUCKING same mistake at Notre Dame the year before.

Urghhhh!

However, he was doing pretty good job here overall and I do believe that we were going to win with him.... if we were patient enough to stick it out.

I think we have an even better coach in Pat Narduzzi and we're going to win with this guy too – perhaps even bigger than we would've one with Paul Chryst. However, it's going to take time and patience with Duzz too. He has to get his guys in here playing his system and they have to learn and develop. We are still 2–3 years away from seriously competing for the Coastal Division. Anyone predicting otherwise is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

And for the people who just flat out refuse to grant time or patience, you know, the imbeciles that "refuse to accept mediocrity," will guarantee you I'm going to be a tack in your ass going forward because I think that shortsighted mentality has just devastated this program time and again over the years.

Spoken like a true fan. I liked Walt and Wanny as well... liked Chryst and love Narduzzi. Walt and Chryst are actually very similar... both kinda introverted guys but knew one phase of offense VERY well. Wanny was more Bowden/Paterno and Narduzzi is just a plugger, working hard at all areas. There is NOTHING I sit and look at Narduzzi doing that I just think he is inept at. The local kids will come around, I really think it is years of horrible football driving some away, and the ones that stay have great family support that makes the kids want to stay. We are already seeing kids from across the country really focusing on Pitt now. I am convinced we are in the right place.

 

[sherepower]

Spoken like a true fan. I liked Walt and Wanny as well... liked Chryst and love Narduzzi. Walt and Chryst are actually very similar... both kinda introverted guys but knew one phase of offense VERY well. Wanny was more Bowden/Paterno and Narduzzi is just a plugger, working hard at all areas. There is NOTHING I sit and look at Narduzzi doing that I just think he is inept at. The local kids will come around, I really think it is years of horrible football driving some away, and the ones that stay have great family support that makes the kids want to stay. We are already seeing kids from across the country really focusing on Pitt now. I am convinced we are in the right place.

Well lets be honest.

There hasn't been years of horrible football as you said. Its been years of mediocrity instead.

Truth is... Pitt has been to bowl games more times than not over the last 15 years. The program has never been as bad as teams like Baylor, Ole Miss, TCU, Stanford. These teams would go 1-12 back in the day consistently.

So if those programs can get to the pinnacle of college football. So can Pitt.

 

[JD1976]

The lowest point happened after the season when Boston College was accused of point shaving and they pointed to the Pitt loss as proof. No one believed Pitt could beat BC straight up.

I remember that game well. Halloween Thursday night on ESPN and Pitt pulled the upset of BC. 2 days later allegations of point shaving began to surface involving Don King's grandson, who played on the team. As others pointed out, what's ironic about the 1996 team is that it actually managed to win 4 games and lost an OT game to Houston at home.

 

[President Stache]

Well lets be honest.

There hasn't been years of horrible football as you said. Its been years of mediocrity instead.

Truth is... Pitt has been to bowl games more times than not over the last 15 years. The program has never been as bad as teams like Baylor, Ole Miss, TCU, Stanford where these teams would go 1-12 back in the day.

So if those programs can get to the pinnacle of college football. So can Pitt.

Eh, I was referring to the era mentioned in this post. It was rather horrible.

 

[CorsosRevenge]

Damn. Largest non WVU crowd was 30K. WVU was also the home opener too. Yikes.

In prime time. On a Saturday night. On ESPN. That was a big deal then. Remember, this was 1996. ABC wasn't doing Saturday night college football yet. ESPN2 was new AF and there was no ESPNU, FS1, Fat 10 Network, SEC network, Longhorn Network or Fox Sports doing games.

People forget that pundits expected this to be The Year for Back to the Future. Majors had been here four years and people expected them to finally be competitive. So, they made the Backyard Brawl a primetimer to open the season. Oops.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Eh, I was referring to the era mentioned in this post. It was rather horrible.

No, it wasn't. The era that preceded it, now that was horrible.

 

[Pittski]

September 21, 1996

Ohio State 72
Pitt 0

A day that will live in infamy.

 

[President Stache]

No, it wasn't. The era that preceded it, now that was horrible.

I think 96 was pretty bad... didnt we lose to ND 60-6 as well that year?? We were about as bad as one can be.

OK... I looked it up WE LOST TO SYRACUSE 55-7 that year. Miami 45-0, West Virginia 34-0

Yeahh.... that was horrible

Then in 1998 we were 2-9.... so not much better after that

 

[CorsosRevenge]

That was when Syracuse was good though. Remember, Syracuse only became a pile of crap around 2005.

 

[TD_istheman]

I remember two great road wins , against ND triple OT, and WVU 13 9, was there for both!

We drove all the way to ND that day, got splinters in my asssss from their wooden seats, but loved the tradition, I am a good luck charm. Well except all the games I attend that we lose, and that's many as well