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Tom Petty ..

BINGO. You know, either here or somewhere else I wrote something similar when he died. When they started playing alot of his music in retrospect, and you start realizing the songs, I was thinking "my god, why does his name come up with Springsteen when they talk about the greatest American rock star"?

Just a tremendous catalog of great songs.

I think Tom Petty, for the most part, found a great formula and stuck to it. It's produced a great catalogue of greatest hits that everyone seems to like. Unlike an artist like Bob Dylan, for instance, who went through some pretty goofy phases and alienated a lot of people. Petty's shows were more greatest hits showcases than anything (except I'm pretty sure he was doing Wild Flowers in its entirely during the last tour), but that worked, because it seems like almost everyone is at least a casual Tom Petty fan.

It also seems like Tom Petty's most popular songs are also his best, which isn't always common with rockers. You mentioned Springsteen, and I don't think many casual rock radio listeners have ever heard a lot of his best songs (Backstreets, Lost in the Flood, Paradise, Youngstown, Long Walk Home, Moonlight Motel, etc... shoot, even more popular ones like Badlands), because the songs that get the most frequent radio play are, quite frankly, not his best (other than when the classic rock stations play something like Born to Run). But that doesn't seem to be the case with Tom Petty. You don't need to delve very deep to be a fan; you can just stick to the radio hits and still really like the guy.

I don't really put him on the same level as the aforementioned Dylan and Springsteen (they both have outtakes that could have been career highlights for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame-caliber artists), but he's damn solid and a guy that almost no one dislikes.
 
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To me, Tom Petty was a far better artist than Springsteen ever will be.

I rate Tom an 8 out of 10, and Bruce is around a 5 on his best day.
 
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I don’t know if it is his best, but one of my favorite Petty tunes that doesn’t get play is “Jammin’ Me” which Dylan collaborated to write.
 
The Boss bores me to death. I am not a fan of that type of music
I’m not a huge fan of that type of music either but Bruce’s influence and stature are completely unquestionable.

When naming American male pop artists (not groups) from 1950-200 there are only a few names who belong at the top — the list is Bruce, Dylan, Elvis — along with Johnny Cash, Prince and James Brown.
 
I’m not a huge fan of that type of music either but Bruce’s influence and stature are completely unquestionable.

When naming American male pop artists (not groups) from 1950-200 there are only a few names who belong at the top — the list is Bruce, Dylan, Elvis — along with Johnny Cash, Prince and James Brown.
I have to disagree with your use of the term “pop artist” to describe these guys. Male
Singer-songwriter might be a better term.

“Pop artist” connotes Rihanna, Beyoncé, Michael Jackson, etc-as in billboard top 40 types. In my mind, of those you listed, only Prince would qualify as a pop artist-but his music and talent transcended just his top 40 stuff.

IMO, Elvis and JB, while immensely popular , pre-existed the contemporary version of pop artistry. It was just a different era and environment.

My take anyway.
 
I have to disagree with your use of the term “pop artist” to describe these guys. Male
Singer-songwriter might be a better term.

“Pop artist” connotes Rihanna, Beyoncé, Michael Jackson, etc-as in billboard top 40 types. In my mind, of those you listed, only Prince would qualify as a pop artist-but his music and talent transcended just his top 40 stuff.

IMO, Elvis and JB, while immensely popular , pre-existed the contemporary version of pop artistry. It was just a different era and environment.

My take anyway.
I actually agree with you but what I really meant (and should have said) was the broader term of “popular” music which includes rock and roll, funk, blues, pop, etc. and now is very dominated by hip hop.
 
I have to disagree with your use of the term “pop artist” to describe these guys. Male
Singer-songwriter might be a better term.

“Pop artist” connotes Rihanna, Beyoncé, Michael Jackson, etc-as in billboard top 40 types. In my mind, of those you listed, only Prince would qualify as a pop artist-but his music and talent transcended just his top 40 stuff.

IMO, Elvis and JB, while immensely popular , pre-existed the contemporary version of pop artistry. It was just a different era and environment.

My take anyway.
All these folks are recognized in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame so maybe I should have gone with that!
 
I'm not disputing that Springsteen is a very popular singer. He's just not my thing, therefore the 5 out of 10 rating by me.

Michael Jackson would get about the same likeability rating from me, while still acknowledging his vast popularity for others.

FOR ME, they are both about middle of the road performers. Madonna has sold lots of albums, and is loved by many. By saying she's not highly rated for my tastes in no diminishes her body of work. I just don't care to listen to it.
 
I actually agree with you but what I really meant (and should have said) was the broader term of “popular” music which includes rock and roll, funk, blues, pop, etc. and now is very dominated by hip hop.
I was pretty sure I knew what you meant-it’s just that when I hear pop star I always associate it with the Beyoncés, Timberlakes, boy bands, auto-tuned garbage.
 
I’m not a huge fan of that type of music either but Bruce’s influence and stature are completely unquestionable.

When naming American male pop artists (not groups) from 1950-200 there are only a few names who belong at the top — the list is Bruce, Dylan, Elvis — along with Johnny Cash, Prince and James Brown.
I think Petty belongs there also. Michael Jackson too of course. But those are the guys.

And as far as Bruce is concerned, people don't realize he also wrote alot of hits for other people too, like Because the Night by Patti Smith (which is a great song) and I agree with the poster above that Petty's best songs were his most popular, but some of Bruce's best songs weren't his most popular.
 
I think Petty belongs there also. Michael Jackson too of course. But those are the guys.

And as far as Bruce is concerned, people don't realize he also wrote alot of hits for other people too, like Because the Night by Patti Smith (which is a great song) and I agree with the poster above that Petty's best songs were his most popular, but some of Bruce's best songs weren't his most popular.
Maybe (probably) Michael Jackson but not Tom Petty. He’s on the next tier though which is still pretty high standing.
 
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I think Petty belongs there also. Michael Jackson too of course. But those are the guys.

And as far as Bruce is concerned, people don't realize he also wrote alot of hits for other people too, like Because the Night by Patti Smith (which is a great song) and I agree with the poster above that Petty's best songs were his most popular, but some of Bruce's best songs weren't his most popular.
I am among those who like his Nebraska album the best.
 
I'm not disputing that Springsteen is a very popular singer. He's just not my thing, therefore the 5 out of 10 rating by me.

Michael Jackson would get about the same likeability rating from me, while still acknowledging his vast popularity for others.

FOR ME, they are both about middle of the road performers. Madonna has sold lots of albums, and is loved by many. By saying she's not highly rated for my tastes in no diminishes her body of work. I just don't care to listen to it.
Oh ... I get what you are saying. Bruce wouldn’t even be in my own personal top 25 favorite artists.
 
"Don't Do Me Like That" is my favorite mainstream of his songs. This was one of the songs that helped break the logjam of Disco in the late 70s. As a young rock loving teen trying to exist among of a sea of "Boogie Oogie Oogie" all over airwaves I'll be forever grateful for that, and "Refugee" for breaking through the morass.

One I enjoy that really only gets airplay on his Sirius channel is a B side called "Ways To Be Wicked". Might be on his box set.

And besides all his excellent regular work, one of my all time favorite Christmas songs is "Christmas All Over Again".
 
I’d put him in that next tier also along with folks like Tom Petty.
Maybe a notch below Petty. Though Iggy has had his influence, I would have him more with Alice Cooper and I dunno, KISS. I put Petty with like Billy Joel and the Eagles and Aerosmith on that next tier.
 
Change of Heart, The Waiting, You Tell Me.

TP is as good as there's ever been after the King for American musicians.
 
I've always been partial to Full Moon Fever, especially Runnin Down a Dream.
 
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the first CD i ever owned was Full Moon Fever, so I'm partial to the whole album. I'd pick Won't Back Down for a favorite song. The album Wildflowers is near perfect to me as well.

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The guy was deemed worthy of being in the Travelling Wilburys. That kinda says something.
 
My favorite was Insider (w/Stevie Nicks). I find it hard to listen to an album cover to cover, but can easily do so with Full Moon Fever, Into the Great Wide Open, and Wildflowers. Such Gems. I was fortunate to catch him on his final tour. I also have seen Bruce live. Both legends in their own ways.
 
My favorite was Insider (w/Stevie Nicks). I find it hard to listen to an album cover to cover, but can easily do so with Full Moon Fever, Into the Great Wide Open, and Wildflowers. Such Gems. I was fortunate to catch him on his final tour. I also have seen Bruce live. Both legends in their own ways.
Yes yes yes on those albums. Top to bottom, can (and did/do) listen to all of them song after song. Into the Great Wide Open in particular.
 
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