I mean he has won 11 out of the last 15 with generally bad O line play and mediocre to poor QB play. So you don’t have to look far.
I want someone credible to take a deep dive into why this team starts slow every single game and show us all the tangible examples. Is it the OC? Is it the HC telling the OC to be conservative? Is it the QB? Are the players tipping plays?
I think it's a lack of opening up the offense until they have to.
Good point. And as it turns out, this offense had to play SF, Cleveland and Baltimore out of the gates. I wanted to see this team vs the lesser Rams defense, and they ended up looking pretty good. It took a while, but I think the Steelers shot themselves in the foot unconventionally a few times in the first half and it killed drives. I already can’t wait until Sunday to see if the offense can stack a good performance on top of yesterdays game.
So it’s Tomlin telling the OC to be conservative, keep the game close and win it in the 4th quarter? That’s a recipe for 9-8/10-7.
I think it's Tomlin and Cowher before him and a misguided Stillers Tradition, thinking they're going to run it down their throat and control the clock and play some field position game, then after the other team scores a few times and they punt a few times they consider opening it up to a more normal modern playbook.
The Steelers have been in "keep the game close and win it in the 4th quarter" since the 80's, it's a rare season or two they've done different.
Thats it, I've said all along, why not sometimes, open the game no huddle and try to score a TD in two minutes and 4 plays, nobody would expect it
And I remember Cowher actually saying explicitly that he wanted to "keep the game close" and even back then, I always felt like WTF? Why? why not build a big lead if you have the ability?
That worked for that era. Elite running game and elite defense along with offensive philosophies within the league that played right into it. Not so much today.
No division has sent more teams to the playoffs than the AFC North during Tomlin's tenure and he has won that division seven times, placed 2nd six times, and 3rd place three times.
1. Still an embarrassing way to finish the season.
Yeah it sucks, but let's not pretend the 2017 Jaguars were scrubs. They were arguably the most well-rounded team in the league that season with a top 5 scoring offense and the 2nd best defense.
They are continually “surprised “ on defense and the offense stinks for 3 quarters every game while the OL gets abused
Fine, the Steelers suck, Tomlin sucks, the Rooneys suck, Pittsburgh sucks, Pennsylvania sucks. Are you happy?
You're exaggerating
but they're not really what you'd call serious Super Bowl contenders.Without a doubt it's Tomlin's philosophy. We saw this type of football start with Fichtner and four QBs have struggled to produce under Canada. I never though Canada was going to be a good NFL OC, however, I also don't believe he wants to go out there an have an offense look like this every week either. It's a scheme that wants to keep games close by eliminating potential mistakes by avoiding deep passes and the middle of the field.
The Steelers have only won a playoff game in 4 of Tomlin's 16 seasons (25%). That could potentially be 4 in 17 seasons. Noll won a playoff game in 8 of 23 (35%) and Cowher in 8 of 15 seasons (53%).
Shhhhh. You’re not supposed to bring up the playoffs. It’s non losing seasons and nothing else matters.
So Tomlin is worse than 2 of the top 10 NFL coaches of all time? I agree. That doesn't mean he wasn't easily one of the top 4-5 coaches in the NFL during his tenure with the Steelers.
The Steelers have gone 6 straight years without a playoff win, it could be a 7th after this season. That is the longest streak since before the 70s. He's without a doubt a good coach, he just needs to start winning when it counts again. Being in the middle of the league with this non-losing season streak means nothing if you don't get it done in January.
Absolutely not. Four Super Bowl wins and he put the franchise on the map. 11 playoff appearances in his first 16 years, winning a game in 7 of those seasons. I was too young to remember, but did he stay on too long. Maybe.
It was very similar to what is happening now. Noll was so good he was able to squeeze winning teams out of poor personnel. For whatever reason the breakdown is with the selection of players. In Noll's case all the low draft order had an effect, but he just did not draft well like he did earlier. I think the Steelers lack talent, but Tomlin is able to adjust and stay afloat, but that is about it.
It's close. Noll had the advantage of having 11 hall of famers who weren't allowed to leave because there was no free agency.
No, no it isn't. Noll took over one of the most laughable professional sports teams in America. He turned it into a Championship model . The Rooney's (Art., Sr. and Dan) had their model for success from Noll's tenure. Basically , hire a great Coach and let him run things. Oh and one minor item, 4 Superbowls vs 1, but maybe some one Feellls like Cowher is as accomplished. Rooney's still believe in that model, but it is hard to find another Noll.
Yes, yes it is.
haha ok, we disagree, but I will add that Cowher, with his one superbowl in 15 years, took over a much, much healthier team than Noll. Plus, if one SB every 15 years places a coach on your pedestal what is your beef with Tomlin?
The Rooney's want a team that's in contention for the division championship every season, deep playoff runs and Super Bowl's are great but butts in seats in December and now early January along with season ticket renewal is the goal.
Cowher is not on my pedestal, I wanted him fired in 1999, I hate his offensive philosophy, just saying I think him and Noll where close, but Noll was better. My beef is with the Rooneys, I'm tired of the coach for life BS and especially the conservative run first win close games with defense obsolete football. I want an Andy Reid type offensive guru who builds a team that scores 30ppg and isn't afraid of scoring fast and getting into shootouts. I don't believe the Noll or Cowher formulas are going to win a Super Bowl now or going forward, Rooney is obsessed with obsolete football, Tomlin is not an offensive mind, I want an offense first guy who looks at offense and passing and scoring TDs 85% of the time the way Narduzzi masturbates over defense
Reid is able to do that because he has Mahomes and Kelce, sure his teams in Philly scored points but they got bounced early in the playoffs against teams with solid D's and lost to the worst of New England's Super Bowl winning teams his first trip to the big game.Cowher is not on my pedestal, I wanted him fired in 1999, I hate his offensive philosophy, just saying I think him and Noll where close, but Noll was better. My beef is with the Rooneys, I'm tired of the coach for life BS and especially the conservative run first win close games with defense obsolete football. I want an Andy Reid type offensive guru who builds a team that scores 30ppg and isn't afraid of scoring fast and getting into shootouts. I don't believe the Noll or Cowher formulas are going to win a Super Bowl now or going forward, Rooney is obsessed with obsolete football, Tomlin is not an offensive mind, I want an offense first guy who looks at offense and passing and scoring TDs 85% of the time the way Narduzzi masturbates over defense
If we fire Cowher in 1999, I’m not sure we win 2 super bowls after that and get to a 3rd.
