UCF

[Saboteur]

UCF is the largest school in the 3rd most populated state.
I attended the USF UCF game over Thanksgiving and while not a sellout the enthusiasm was off the charts.
If the ACC doesn't grab them, the SEC will.
Frankly, no one outside of Miami gives a sh!t about the Canes and few there do.
Ignoring this school is a foolish choice. Note: in 10 years, florida will have 3 million more residents.

 

[Las Panteras]

UCF is the largest school in the 3rd most populated state.
I attended the USF UCF game over Thanksgiving and while not a sellout the enthusiasm was off the charts.
If the ACC doesn't grab them, the SEC will.
Frankly, no one outside of Miami gives a sh!t about the Canes and few there do.
Ignoring this school is a foolish choice. Note: in 10 years, florida will have 3 million more residents.

6 million

As per Florida chamber of commerce

 

[ThePanthers]

Canes have far more brand than ucf. Sec, nor any p5 will grab them unless all hell breaks loose.

 

[Saboteur]

Canes have far more brand than ucf. Sec, nor any p5 will grab them unless all hell breaks loose.

No one outside of Miami cares about the Canes. But go ahead and place your bet on Sonny Liston.

 

[Saboteur]

6 million

As per Florida chamber of commerce

Thank you.

 

[DiehardPanther]

UCF is the largest school in the 3rd most populated state.
I attended the USF UCF game over Thanksgiving and while not a sellout the enthusiasm was off the charts.
If the ACC doesn't grab them, the SEC will.
Frankly, no one outside of Miami gives a sh!t about the Canes and few there do.
Ignoring this school is a foolish choice. Note: in 10 years, florida will have 3 million more residents.

Florida will not allow them into the SEC.

 

[Parkview57]

Note: in 10 years, florida will have 3 million more residents.

I hope I'm one of them.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Canes fans are like Raiders fans. They've got some diehards but when they're winning, the bandwagon is huge.

 

[DiehardPanther]

I hope I'm one of them.

6 and 6 looks good to me.

 

[ThePanthers]

No one outside of Miami cares about the Canes. But go ahead and place your bet on Sonny Liston.

And absolutely no one cares about ucf

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

let sec have them, ACC has too many schools as it is, we don't need to add more..

 

[pittdan77]

And absolutely no one cares about ucf

UCF will be forgotten in a few years. Just like Boise State.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

what would be the point of adding UCF? Seriously, what would it accomplish?

You aren't going to espn and asking to renegotiate the tv deal. "Hey guys, we got UCF, you know what that means? new tv deal." they'd laugh their ass off.

we are already in that market, we have too many teams, going frm 14 to 15 (or 16 assuming we'd add another) does nothing but waters down your conference and lowers revenue for existing schools.

Pretty much adding UCF is a terrible move in every way you can possibly look at it..

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

I am a little bit split on this issue. I used to live in Orlando and experienced UCF before its growth. When I was there, UCF was basically a glorified Robert Morris.

Also, a lot of people don’t realize this but it is not downtown by any stretch. It is a fair distance away from center city Orlando/Church Street Station (25-30 mins).

I still have many friends in the area and return there semi-regularly. To a person they all marvel at how much that school has exploded in student attendance, campus size, market presence, athletic growth, etc.

I don’t think what is happening there is a fluke or is going to go away anytime soon.

However, I also cannot see Florida State and Miami, not to mention all the schools that heavily recruit Florida — like Pitt, for example — allowing the Knights entrée into their conference. That just seems like a really bad idea for all concerned.

Why would you elevate them if you don’t have to? Why would any Pitt fan want that?

The only way I see UCF getting into the ACC is if Florida State is raided by someone else. Had the Big 12 succeeded in stealing away Clemson and Florida State from the ACC a few years ago, I would have fully expected UCF and USF — not UCinn and Cincinnati, as is commonly assumed — to serve as their replacements.

I still think the Big 12 erred last year and not taking those two schools for their league. I know that’s what I would have done if I were in their shoes. Honestly, I think they should’ve taken those two schools plus BYU and a fourth school (Boise State maybe?) and it would’ve solidified them forever on every front. However, they probably don’t think they can do that as long as The Longhorn Network is still in existence.

 

[pittdan77]

The only way I see UCF getting into the ACC is if Florida State is raided by someone else. Had the Big 12 succeeded in stealing away Clemson and Florida State from the ACC a few years ago, I would have fully expected UCF and USF — not UCinn and Cincinnati, as is commonly assumed — to serve as their replacements.

I still think the Big 12 erred last year and not taking those two schools for their league. I know that’s what I would have done if I were in their shoes. Honestly, I think they should’ve taken those two schools plus BYU and a fourth school (Boise State maybe?) and it would’ve solidified them forever on every front. However, they probably don’t think they can do that as long as The Longhorn Network is still in existence.

If Clemson and/or Florida State leaves, I don't know that the ACC would be in any better shape than the AAC right now. So that's not really a starter.

The Big 12 wouldn't have gained the one thing it craved by adding UCF and that was additional TV money. That's the biggest reason why the whole thing was dropped. The Big 12 has to navigate renewed GOR before it thinks about expansion. Whether the story about the Big12/Pac12 "merging" for TV has any legs or not should tell you a lot about that situation. Feels very "Big East" like.

 

[DiehardPanther]

UCF is less than 2 hours away from UF. There is a 0% chance of them going to the SEC. It would be the equivalent to someone thinking Temple could get into the Big 10.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

The only way I see UCF getting into the ACC is if Florida State is raided by someone else. Had the Big 12 succeeded in stealing away Clemson and Florida State from the ACC a few years ago, I would have fully expected UCF and USF — not UCinn and Cincinnati, as is commonly assumed — to serve as their replacements.

I still think the Big 12 erred last year and not taking those two schools for their league. I know that’s what I would have done if I were in their shoes. Honestly, I think they should’ve taken those two schools plus BYU and a fourth school (Boise State maybe?) and it would’ve solidified them forever on every front. However, they probably don’t think they can do that as long as The Longhorn Network is still in existence.

If Clemson and/or Florida State leaves, I don't know that the ACC would be in any better shape than the AAC right now. So that's not really a starter.

The Big 12 wouldn't have gained the one thing it craved by adding UCF and that was additional TV money. That's the biggest reason why the whole thing was dropped. The Big 12 has to navigate renewed GOR before it thinks about expansion. Whether the story about the Big12/Pac12 "merging" for TV has any legs or not should tell you a lot about that situation. Feels very "Big East" like.

No, an ACC without Florida State and Clemson would definitely still be a better situation than the American — there’s no question about that.

That said, losing either of those schools, much less both of them, would be disastrous for the ACC.

As for the Big 12’s television situation, that’s definitely the elephant in the room there. I agree, it definitely feels very Big East-like. It just feels extremely unstable.

However, the Pac-12 may be just as unstable right now but for different reasons. Their television situation is a real mess and worth keeping an eye on.

They gambled on running the entire network themselves from the jump rather than partnering with someone like Fox (BIG) or ESPN (SEC, ACC). So far at least, it appears to have been a horrible gamble and they are losing their shirts on it.

They are literally selling equity rights as we speak. That is rarely a good sign.

Everything about that conference and Larry Scott’s shepherding of it screams DO NOT TOUCH!

Maybe that will result in a merger of some sort between those two Power 5 conferences? Who knows? I don’t really see why the Big 12 would do that, but you never know.

Whatever happens, it definitely feels like a potential pressure point for all of college athletics and it is certainly worth everyone’s undivided attention.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

No, an ACC without Florida State and Clemson would definitely still be a better situation than the American — there’s no question about that.

That said, losing either of those schools, much less both of them, would be disastrous for the ACC.

As for the Big 12’s television situation, that’s definitely the elephant in the room there. I agree, it definitely feels very Big East-like. It just feels extremely unstable.

However, the Pac-12 may be just as unstable right now but for different reasons. Their television situation is a real mess and worth keeping an eye on.

They gambled on running the entire network themselves from the jump rather than partnering with someone like Fox (BIG) or ESPN (SEC, ACC). So far at least, it appears to have been a horrible gamble and they are losing their shirts on it.

They are literally selling equity rights as we speak. That is rarely a good sign.

Everything about that conference and Larry Scott’s shepherding of it screams DO NOT TOUCH!

Maybe that will result in a merger of some sort between those two Power 5 conferences? Who knows? I don’t really see why the Big 12 would do that, but you never know.

Whatever happens, it definitely feels like a potential pressure point for all of college athletics and it is certainly worth everyone’s undivided attention.

It amazes me that a conference that has the left coast to themselves, everything west of the Rockies from Canada to Mexico, will fail.

A lot of tvs and laptops on the pacific, what is the problem?

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

That’s a good point and one I have always wondered about as well.

I think it just comes down to it being a different culture in the West than really everywhere else in the country. That is particularly true in places like California. They’re just not as passionate about this type of thing as they are in the Midwest and especially in the Southeast.

I am a full-fledged college football junkie and if you watch those games late on a Saturday night, those stadiums are rarely full.

I know that sounds ridiculous coming from the Pitt fan, but in truth, they look a lot more like us than they do Alabama or Florida or Ohio State or whomever.

That attitude is also spills into their facilities. A lot of the schools out West spend so much money on their Olympic sports because their Olympic sports are exceptional. However, they then don’t have enough money for things like indoor training facilities and other things that are absolutely necessary in this part of the country.

Well, that obviously impacts recruiting and you are seeing more and more kids from the West Coast playing at places like Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, etc.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

The television thing just complicates it. Basically, Larry Scott, who has a background in televised sports (women’s tennis), promised his presidents that he had the expertise to develop a conference television network in-house.

That, of course, meant that they would be able to keep a lot more of the profits. Whereas leagues like the B1G, SEC and the ACC are basically equal partners with Fox and ESPN, the P12 could run the whole thing and cut out the middle man.

Initially at least they were even planning on getting coverage in the far east in places like Japan, South Korea and Australia. They have even played a few games in Australia.

The problem is they don’t have the leverage that Fox and ESPN have to cajole carriers into carrying their conference on their networks. Consequently, they have had a hell of a time getting coverage.

I keep reading articles about the situation and I think even the writers covering this situation are being a little bit naïve as to what exactly is happening. I think this is far more serious than most people are reporting and I think an earthquake of some magnitude is very likely to be the end result here.

Whether that means a change at the top of the Pac-12 leadership chart or a major realignment, I have no idea? However, from where I sit, it definitely feels like we are headed towards a major shake up.

 

[FreeportPanther]

what would be the point of adding UCF? Seriously, what would it accomplish?

You aren't going to espn and asking to renegotiate the tv deal. "Hey guys, we got UCF, you know what that means? new tv deal." they'd laugh their ass off.

we are already in that market, we have too many teams, going frm 14 to 15 (or 16 assuming we'd add another) does nothing but waters down your conference and lowers revenue for existing schools.

Pretty much adding UCF is a terrible move in every way you can possibly look at it..

To balance the league after adding ND for All sports?
That would be a reason.......

 

[WeaverIsComing]

short term thinking killed the big east

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

To balance the league after adding ND for All sports?
That would be a reason.......

Well if ND is part of the equation then yes, it makes sense. In ND is part of the equation, Carlow college makes sense.

 

[CrazyPaco]

short term thinking killed the big east

Adding UCF would be the very definition of short-term thinking. There is no way they are added to any P5 conference other than the B12, and they B12 spoke on that issue last year.

Actually, what killed the Big East was split ideologies between football-playing and non-football playing institutions. Pitt, WVU, and Rutgers wanted to add UCF and TCU towards the end. UCF was blocked by a coalition of basketball schools+louisville+USF.

There is zero chance UCF will be added to the currently construed ACC or SEC.

 

[CrazyPaco]

To balance the league after adding ND for All sports?
That would be a reason.......

In the remote hypothetical where ND gives up the remaining 3/8ths of their football independence, ND would choose who comes with them, and I guarantee that ain't UCF.

 

[FreeportPanther]

In the remote hypothetical where ND gives up the remaining 3/8ths of their football independence, they would choose who comes with them, and I guarantee that ain't UCF.

He asked for a reason, I gave one, mostly in jest.
I'm sure you're right, but what happened...did Mickey Mouse piss in your wheaties?
Worse places for a fall road trip than Orlando Florida!
It isn't all about research and caps n gowns, and endowments, n'at.

 

[ThePanthers]

The television thing just complicates it. Basically, Larry Scott, who has a background in televised sports (women’s tennis), promised his presidents that he had the expertise to develop a conference television network in-house.

That, of course, meant that they would be able to keep a lot more of the profits. Whereas leagues like the B1G, SEC and the ACC are basically equal partners with Fox and ESPN, the P12 could run the whole thing and cut out the middle man.

Initially at least they were even planning on getting coverage in the far east in places like Japan, South Korea and Australia. They have even played a few games in Australia.

The problem is they don’t have the leverage that Fox and ESPN have to cajole carriers into carrying their conference on their networks. Consequently, they have had a hell of a time getting coverage.

I keep reading articles about the situation and I think even the writers covering this situation are being a little bit naïve as to what exactly is happening. I think this is far more serious than most people are reporting and I think an earthquake of some magnitude is very likely to be the end result here.

Whether that means a change at the top of the Pac-12 leadership chart or a major realignment, I have no idea? However, from where I sit, it definitely feels like we are headed towards a major shake up.

Just last week the pac 12 formed a committee of ads to make conference decisions with the support of the president's to take some power away from Scott. I'll find the link.

 

[ThePanthers]

He asked for a reason, I gave one, mostly in jest.
I'm sure you're right, but what happened...did Mickey Mouse piss in your wheaties?
Worse places for a fall road trip than Orlando Florida!
It isn't all about research and caps n gowns, and endowments, n'at.

No. But is is about brand awareness, markets, athletic success, etc. IMO if nd ever did join there would be a push to get wvu to join or uconn would be taken over ucf.

 

[FreeportPanther]

No. But is is about brand awareness, markets, athletic success, etc. IMO if nd ever did join there would be a push to get wvu to join or uconn would be taken over ucf.

The ACC has already rendered their opinion on WVU. BC would have something to say about UConn joining as well.

It's all silly talk. ND is in no hurry to join any conference, and if they do, they'll start from square one and go where it serves their interests best.

 

[PittMan 72]

Just last week the pac 12 formed a committee of ads to make conference decisions with the support of the president's to take some power away from Scott. I'll find the link.

Surprised it's taken them so long!

Wonder if Scott Barnes is on the committee of AD's? And if so, will he recommend hiring his consultant buddy Todd Turner to "help" the PAC 12?

 

[ThePanthers]

The ACC has already rendered their opinion on WVU. BC would have something to say about UConn joining as well.

It's all silly talk. ND is in no hurry to join any conference, and if they do, they'll start from square one and go where it serves their interests best.

You can also say they rendered their decision on UCF. But agree with you. ND isn't joining for a long time, if ever.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

you'd have to imagine, if the day ND joins a conference ever comes, Big 10 is a no brainer. geography, competition level, built in rivalry with MIch and Mich state already..

I don't think that day will ever come but if it does, it wont be ACC. I nor they, care what conference their womens swimming team is currently in as a factor with football.

 

[Las Panteras]

What does ND have to gain by joining a league?

It seems to me the path to the CFP may be easier , though recognizing they got in this year.

Other than that, what motivation?

And.....if the CFP goes to 8 teams as many predict I would think it closes the door pretty much forever.

 

[pittdan77]

There is a better chance that the P5 ceases to exist in its current form than ND joining a conference.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

what would be the point of adding UCF? Seriously, what would it accomplish?

You aren't going to espn and asking to renegotiate the tv deal. "Hey guys, we got UCF, you know what that means? new tv deal." they'd laugh their ass off.

we are already in that market, we have too many teams, going frm 14 to 15 (or 16 assuming we'd add another) does nothing but waters down your conference and lowers revenue for existing schools.

Pretty much adding UCF is a terrible move in every way you can possibly look at it..

To balance the league after adding ND for All sports?
That would be a reason.......

Why would Notre Dame join? Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see it happen. However, I just don’t think it’s in the cards. Also, if Notre Dame would join, we would probably have an even better choice than UCF to consider.

 

[pittdan77]

No. But is is about brand awareness, markets, athletic success, etc. IMO if nd ever did join there would be a push to get wvu to join or uconn would be taken over ucf.

Nobody wants UConn. Their athletic department is in shambles and they bring less than nothing for TV.

WVU doesn't have the TV's but they at least have a brand that isn't the flavor of the month. But they're not coming over unless the Big12 disintegrates and there is a scramble to add pieces.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

you'd have to imagine, if the day ND joins a conference ever comes, Big 10 is a no brainer. geography, competition level, built in rivalry with MIch and Mich state already..

I don't think that day will ever come but if it does, it wont be ACC. I nor they, care what conference their womens swimming team is currently in as a factor with football.

No, I don’t agree with this viewpoint. I honestly think they would join the ACC.

I think the Irish would want to be where the recruits are and the recruits are in the Southeast, not the industrial Midwest.

Also, in the ACC they could still call the shots. That’s obviously a really big deal to Notre Dame or they would have long ago abandoned independence for what definitely would’ve been a lot more money in the form of the Big Ten Network.

That is not going to happen in the Big Ten with schools like Ohio State and Michigan running the show. There is no way they would ever agree to cede any of their power to Notre Dame. However, the ACC definitely would and I would argue already has.

For the record, I don’t see this happening anytime soon (or ever) either. However, if it did, I think they would choose the ACC, I really do.

 

[upj87]

6 million

As per Florida chamber of commerce

yeah but old Jewish guys from NYC like Morty Seinfeld and Jack Klompus don't give two hoots about college football...

 

[pittdan77]

No, I don’t agree with this viewpoint. I honestly think they would join the ACC.

I think the Irish would want to be where the recruits are and the recruits are in the Southeast, not the industrial Midwest.

Also, in the ACC they could still call the shots. That’s obviously a really big deal to Notre Dame or they would have a Bandan independence long ago. That is not going to happen in the Big Ten with schools like Ohio State and Michigan running the show. There is no way they would ever agree to see you to any of their power to Notre Dame. However, the ACC definitely would and I would argue already has.

For the record, I don’t see this happening anytime soon (or ever) either. However, if it did, I think they would choose the ACC, I really do.

Per the agreement, ND is locked into the ACC if they decide to join somewhere. But it doesn't matter because they aren't.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

What does ND have to gain by joining a league?

It seems to me the path to the CFP may be easier , though recognizing they got in this year.

Other than that, what motivation?

And.....if the CFP goes to 8 teams as many predict I would think it closes the door pretty much forever.

I think this is the exact proper reading of the situation.