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Update on Nix - kid must be working hard
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I'd like to see him redshirted and see what he could be like in 2016-17 and 2017-18 after working with Tim Beltz the next couple years.
Love this kid's attitude and determination!
The bad news is it is just as much work... maybe more... in getting competitive in D1 BB as it is to lose that much weight.
So, a RS may indeed be appropriate also in the light of us having Maia and ANO, who will both be gone after this year.
Hafta love his attitude though!
So, a RS may indeed be appropriate also in the light of us having Maia and ANO, who will both be gone after this year.
Hafta love his attitude though!
Bad news? The kid lost 91 lbs, where do you see bad news?
If he is working that hard to lose weight, I would guess he is working hard on his game also. But who knows. Can't you just give him credit for getting in shape without making something up to be negative about?
Compare the effort of this kid to get in shape for a team he's never even played for, and compare that with the effort of Durand Johnson who couldn't put down the weed long enough to even make the floor last season. I'd rather have the hard worker any day.
Even if he hasn't done anything else, the loss of 91 pounds should translate into substantial improvement in his game.
Yeah, he was all conference last year at his old weight, so I imagine the new weight will help with endurance and quickness. My main concern now is how he is going to stop the run. Before they had to have guard help to block him. Now I fear the center may be able to handle him alone.
That is impressive for sure. Good for him. I am still skeptical that Nix is much of a player, but to transform his body in the way that he has is nothing to sneeze at, and speaks to his mental toughness and character. I wish I had that kind of discipline.
Hopefully he's working just as hard practicing some low post footwork and technique. If he can develop a decent reverse pivot drop step to both sides and can finish around the rim with both hands, he can do some good for us. I understand that our primary hopes for him are to give us some post defense and rebounding, but if he can be a scoring option--not just an opportunistic scorer or garbage man, but a guy we can feed the ball into for a bucket or a good post pass-- that will free up the perimeter that much more and make us a whole lot better offensively.
Has anyone seen even seen any video clips of him? Have you seen him play lately? I have no idea how some of you can make comments like "I am still skeptical that Nix is much of a player".
I'm pretty sure that if he was able to ball at 400lbs he just maaaaay be "a player". Being obese isn't an advantage. You're right, we don't really know what kind of player he is.... but I for one am going to assume that Jamie didn't recruit a 400 lb dude with no skills, without ever knowing if her would lose the weight.
I have no idea how some of you can make comments like "I am still skeptical that Nix is much of a player".
The fact that you even posted this comment says it all. By your own admission you're assuming he's a player, based on nothing.....no actual evidence. I'm saying I hope he's a player, but I'm skeptical-show me-since the clips were of his doughboy mode and were unimpressive to say the absolute least.
Which position is more reasonable?
I guess the major difference is you assume he sucks. I assume he has something to offer.... (you know, based on the fact that we offered him when he was a "doughboy" as you so eloquently put it.) We both made assumtions and ironically, we both hope that your assumption is dead-wrong.
I assume he is gonna get RSed.
(Unless he is the next coming of Shaq... in which case he STILL might get RSed.)
Losing all that weight is to his advantage but then you got to adapt to D1 ball and not to mention Jamie ball including hedging.
Then, we got Young and Artis inside.... and then there is Maia and ANO.... both experienced players and seniors.
There is simply no time left after these four.
Actually, there is not enough time for these four neglecting Nix. Not sure how Dixon is gonna manage these bigs, but the bet is Nix will get RSed.
(Unless he is the next coming of Shaq... in which case he STILL might get RSed.)
Losing all that weight is to his advantage but then you got to adapt to D1 ball and not to mention Jamie ball including hedging.
Then, we got Young and Artis inside.... and then there is Maia and ANO.... both experienced players and seniors.
There is simply no time left after these four.
Actually, there is not enough time for these four neglecting Nix. Not sure how Dixon is gonna manage these bigs, but the bet is Nix will get RSed.
For once I would agree with you Zara. I believe that a redshirt would be beneficial, I would rather see Nix practice with the team for a year before actually pla
Zara. I believe that a redshirt would be beneficial, I would rather see Nix practice with the team for a year before actually playing. Playing immediately hurt both Jeter & Zeigler, if they had to sit a year & practice, they might have been able to make an impact when they actually got on the court
There are two full game tapes available on www.psblive.com. Go to Archives and click on NJCAA Region 8 and 2014-2015 PSC Men's basketball.
He's much more trim, and more mobile in their tournament than even earlier in the season.,
He's much more trim, and more mobile in their tournament than even earlier in the season.,
Interesting watch. He runs and moves decently. Lacks hops, however. Was constantly double teamed. Could be more effective playing with more talent around him where opponent couldn't double team him without giving up easy score to someone else.
Could use that redshirt year, IMHO, to improve low post moves and improve his hops.
Could use that redshirt year, IMHO, to improve low post moves and improve his hops.
Aaron Gray was overweight and out of shape when he got here. Nobody thought he would make the NBA at the time. RS Nix, and then he could very well hold down the Center position. Not saying he is pro material, but JD said there was a possibility. Maybe he sees some Aaron Gray in Nix.
Easier to be double teamed by two JUCO stiffs half your size than played straight up by a legit ACC center.
Jus sayin'.
Ziegler had started and led his team in scoring for two years before he got to Pitt. Jeter had a solid freshman year at a Power 5 program and missed a whole year of basketball by leaving it.
Do you really think anyone would/should have redshirted either of them?
Nix isn't coming to Pitt to redshirt either.
yeah, he sure seems to know a lot for not having seen him play. He did very well against a center headed to Clemson, who is as tall if not taller than he. We play Clemson.
The only problem with your conclusion on Nix is that the two grad transfer bigs can't redshirt but Nix, with 3 years to play two can redshirt. So, unless Nix earns the minutes currently projected for the grad transfers by proving to be a better option immediately than at least one of them he wont see anything but garbage time minutes. If that turns out to be reality--then not redshirting him does nothing but waste one of his two years of eligibility. Dixon wouldn't be that dumb. If Nix earns significant PT he will play, Otherwise, IMO, he will sit 100% next season to develop further. Things will play out accordingly.
i didn't see NIx play vs the guy headed to Clemson so I don't know if both he and Nix are equivalently either good or bad ACC prospects. From what I saw on the game videos I would believe Nix has enough offensive skill to score around the basket when either (i) unguarded (left open by someone else getting double teamed) or (2) when defended by a smaller defender. The result vs the Clemson recruit suggests he may also be okay as long as not being always double-teamed; but, having not seen that game I don't know that answer.
Nix is definitely not a "stonefingers" guy. In the JUCO games I watched yesterday (both vs Gulfcoast) and his hands looked good catching the ball and scoring around the basket when given the opportunity. However, most of the time he was doubled by two defenders, one of which was wide/beefy enough (probably like about 6-8 250-ish by the eyeball test), to box him off the offensive boards and the other to make it difficult for him to do much except pass the ball off so he didn't have many scoring opportunities. He certainly seems to have enough offensive ability down low that he would keep Mike Young from being double teamed by a second big leaving Nix unguarded, IMHO. That alone would be a benefit.
I was not impressed by Nix's rebounding abilities for a guy his height, though. His lack of hops and overall quickness kept him from getting to rebounds that didn't come directly to or near him. He does box out his defender pretty well; so that's a positive, Keeping your opponent's center from offensive boards is a big benefit particularly if that gets your teammates the opportunity to board vs forwards and guards vs against a center.
I see the potential in Nix to develop further. Losing another 20 lbs and working on certain muscle groups to improve his hops somewhat coupled with improving his offensive footwork should help. I am not convinced, however, from what I saw on film that he will be ready next fall to take significant minutes away from the two grad transfer bigs. I do think a year working against those two guys, plus Pitt's other bigs in practice would do as much for Nix's further development as that same experience plus the addition of a few meaningless garbage-time minutes on the court. That's why I think he might be redshirted to allow that further development to occur while simultaneously preserving a year of eligibility.
But, I do admit this is all speculation on my part and don't know what the Pitt coaches are contemplating. I have watched a lot of basketball (for over 50 years) and have coached some at low levels; but, I don't profess to be an expert in player evaluation so I may be totally wrong in what I conclude. We won't know until the fall, although the pro-am this summer may shed some light on the speculation. In the meantime speculating is what I/we do for fun.
Here is link to Clemson (7-0, 245) recruit (Legend Robertin) you are referring to--
https://rivals.yahoo.com/clemson/basketball/recruiting/player-Legend-Robertin-166186
Here are the head to head results for the JUCO regular season--
Game on 1/3/15--
Nix--6 Pts, 13 Rbs, 0 Blk in 29 min; Robertin--2 Pts, 3 Rbs, 6 Blk in 19 min
Game on 1/21/15--
Nix--8 Pts, 9 Rbs, 0 Blk in 21 min; Robertin--0 Pts, 1 Rbs, 5 Blk in 18 min
Game on 2/7/15--
Nix--4 Pts, 10 Rbs, 0 Blk in 19 min; Robertin--3 Pts, 5 Rbs, 1 Blk in 20 min
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If he puts anything close to those numbers up for us, I would be thrilled. We don't need him to score a lot, mostly take up space, rebound and free up Young and Artis to do what they do better. Whether he does it this year or next, I am indifferent, but I have seen nothing yet to indicate he is a schlub.
Doing hoops math (each rebound or block is worth 2 points) to assess point value to team:
1/3 Game--Nix = 32; Robertin = 20 (Nix +12)
1/21 Game--Nix = 26; Robertin = 12 (Nix + 14)
2/7 Game--Nix = 24; Robertin = 15 (Nix + 9)
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Yeah, because that is exactly what I wrote. Here, let me help you: This thread is about trying to evaluate the ability of one of our recruits, who nobody has seen. In his only head to head matchup with a future D1 player that I know of, he kicked his butt. What does that mean for Pitt as a program? Absolutely nothing. It gives us one data point about one recruit, nothing more, nothing less. Does that help?
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I watched his film. Stay puff marshmallow man. He could develop in two or three years. Who knows? You can't build a program around guys like him to compete in the upper 3rd of the ACC. Bottom 3rd. Definitely.
Because he is the guy we have all determined we are building our program around. In two years he will be gone unless he red shirts. We have 3 centers on the roster and Mike Young has shown he can play there too. He has lost weight since the film you watched, if what you are talking about is what Harve linked. Let me ask you, how many third centers do ACC teams build their program around? At best he is a serviceable player who has proven he wants to work hard to improve. At worst, he is our third center who has shown extreme dedication in losing 80+ pounds. I can honestly say I have never seen someone fret so much about who our third or fourth center is. You must have a really comfortable life if that is your biggest worry. I congratulate you!!!
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I didn't say "a guy like him". I said "guys". Luther, Johnson, Nix, Chris Jones, etc. Sterling Smith, Maia, the other retreads. It's all the same joke.
