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Very early Bowl predictions for Pitt

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I know, I know, it's ridiculously early for bowl predictions but just to talk about.

https://collegefootballnews.com/201...wl-projections-college-football-playoff-picks

Quick Lane Bowl vs. Purdue

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ohio-state-oklahoma/cezk2hi6m9071i8te9nlkk3bb

Independence Bowl vs. Florida

https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...owl-projections-2018-college-football-playoff

Nada, on the outside looking in. Syracuse with six wins in Quick Lane Bowl.

https://247sports.com/ContentGaller...ason-bowl-projections-117553098//#117553098_2

Nada, on the outside looking in.
 
Detroit or Shreveport? Not exactly as nice as NYC or Annapolis, although I’d prob make the drive to Detroit if that actually happened.
 
Detroit or Shreveport? Not exactly as nice as NYC or Annapolis, although I’d prob make the drive to Detroit if that actually happened.

Nice thing about Detroit game is that it’s indoors. Bad thing is when you go outside it’s 20 degrees and you’re in Detroit. Given that it is 4 hours drive from Pittsburgh and the Greektown casino is only a few blocks from the field it makes for a decent overnight trip.
 
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Bowl projections in June. Now I have officially seen it all. Where do they have a projected to go after the 2027 season?
 
Thing is Pitt can pretty much never be in bowls in Charlotte, Jacksonville, or Orlando based on fan travel and before you say we traveled well to Annapolis and NYC which is true, those bowls will take a southern ACC team every day of the week over Pitt so don't kid yourself.

This means going into each season, Pitt's bowl options are:

NY6 (based on ACC Championship or Top 11 finish)

Bronx
Annapolis
El Paso
Detroit
Shreveport

I'll also throw Nashville in there because I think they MIGHT, MIGHT take in the right situation but it would be hard to imagine a situation where Pitt could wind up there.
 
Nice thing about Detroit game is that it’s indoors. Bad thing is when you go outside it’s 20 degrees and you’re in Detroit. Given that it is 4 hours drive from Pittsburgh and the Greektown casino is only a few blocks from the field it makes for a decent overnight trip.

We had a good time in Detroit. At least it’s a major league city unlike Birmingham and Shreveport
 
Thing is Pitt can pretty much never be in bowls in Charlotte, Jacksonville, or Orlando based on fan travel and before you say we traveled well to Annapolis and NYC which is true, those bowls will take a southern ACC team every day of the week over Pitt so don't kid yourself.

This means going into each season, Pitt's bowl options are:

NY6 (based on ACC Championship or Top 11 finish)

Bronx
Annapolis
El Paso
Detroit
Shreveport

I'll also throw Nashville in there because I think they MIGHT, MIGHT take in the right situation but it would be hard to imagine a situation where Pitt could wind up there.
The ACC hasn't "placed" (i.e. stuck) us in El Paso yet, so one of these bowl-eligible years, look for us to outposted there
 
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The ACC hasn't "placed" (i.e. stuck) us in El Paso yet, so one of these bowl-eligible years, look for us to outposted there
Personally I’ve always enjoyed watching the Sun Bowl. Nice sunny visual on tv compared to the miserable weather we typically have on the same day. Plus the ‘89 Sun Bowl vs Texas A&M was the first Pitt bowl game I watched as a kid.
 
Personally I’ve always enjoyed watching the Sun Bowl. Nice sunny visual on tv compared to the miserable weather we typically have on the same day. Plus the ‘89 Sun Bowl vs Texas A&M was the first Pitt bowl game I watched as a kid.
I've been at 2 Pitt Sun Bowls and had a great time. The win over Texas A&M in Can't-Hack-It's first game and the 3-0 Wanny/Village People debacle.
 
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Thing is Pitt can pretty much never be in bowls in Charlotte, Jacksonville, or Orlando based on fan travel and before you say we traveled well to Annapolis and NYC which is true, those bowls will take a southern ACC team every day of the week over Pitt so don't kid yourself.

This means going into each season, Pitt's bowl options are:

NY6 (based on ACC Championship or Top 11 finish)

Bronx
Annapolis
El Paso
Detroit
Shreveport

I'll also throw Nashville in there because I think they MIGHT, MIGHT take in the right situation but it would be hard to imagine a situation where Pitt could wind up there.
The ACC hasn't "placed" (i.e. stuck) us in El Paso yet, so one of these bowl-eligible years, look for us to outposted there

If we are 7-5 or better, El Paso is a good bet.
 
Thing is Pitt can pretty much never be in bowls in Charlotte, Jacksonville, or Orlando based on fan travel and before you say we traveled well to Annapolis and NYC which is true, those bowls will take a southern ACC team every day of the week over Pitt so don't kid yourself.

This means going into each season, Pitt's bowl options are:

NY6 (based on ACC Championship or Top 11 finish)

Bronx
Annapolis
El Paso
Detroit
Shreveport

I'll also throw Nashville in there because I think they MIGHT, MIGHT take in the right situation but it would be hard to imagine a situation where Pitt could wind up there.

meh, its not that clear cut anymore. You're still in BE mode. Agree, Pitt still has to overperform but most of those bowls have higher picks in the SEC etc. and the allotments are not as big.
 
Mrs Buffett and I are loading up the Roadmaster
Buick_Roadmaster_Wagon.jpg


for the trip to the National Championship Game??

Bowls now? Think big, dream big NC Game!

Anyone remember the Roadmasters! Big as a house!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!
 
Mrs Buffett and I are loading up the Roadmaster
Buick_Roadmaster_Wagon.jpg


for the trip to the National Championship Game??

Bowls now? Think big, dream big NC Game!

Anyone remember the Roadmasters! Big as a house!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

My first car was a 56 Roadmaster. Drove like a tank. A gift from my grandfather and lasted two weeks before the transmission gave out. Cool while I had it.
 
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Bowl projections in June. Now I have officially seen it all. Where do they have a projected to go after the 2027 season?

per sporting news we are slated to play in the Trump Casino Border Wall bowl in Laredo, TX against the University of the Incarnate Word in 2027...

Book soon!
 
In all sincerity, that’s no less useful or ridiculous than anything else we are seeing regarding this year‘s bowl season. If you are projecting teams before they’ve even gone to camp, those are not predictions, those are guesses. There’s no expertise whatsoever involved in any of that. It’s literally guessing how many jellybeans are in a jar. That’s not a prediction, it is a straight up guess.
 
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Bronx
Annapolis
El Paso
Detroit
Shreveport


Kind of a depressing list. That said, we need to win our division once and the really fun travel would be to Charlotte for the conference championship game.
 
In all sincerity, that’s no less useful or ridiculous than anything else we are seeing regarding this year‘s bowl season. If you are projecting teams before they’ve even gone to camp, those are not predictions, those are guesses. There’s no expertise whatsoever involved in any of that. It’s literally guessing how many jellybeans are in a jar. That’s not a prediction, it is a straight up guess.

Are these predictions any dumber than the preseason top 25 poll? It's June, it's just off-season entertainment.
 
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Well, that’s a good question and a very fair point. They are definitely poisoned fruit of the same tree.

I think the Preseason Top 25 is slightly less objectionable because it is an acknowledgment of what people think a team is going to be going into a season. There’s at least some logic to depth charts, returning players, lost players, location of games, etc.

However, there is no question you are right, it is an absolutely idiotic practice and it distorts the playoff picture, the Heisman race, and all kinds of other things before the season ever even starts.

Projecting bowls takes that idiocy to another level by doing all of those things but also trying to guess how all of these crazy conference scenarios are going to play out. Basically, it takes one of the dumbest things in college athletics and makes it that much dumber.

It’s just next level stupidity.

Trust me, it will not be long before these rocket scientists start “projecting” who will win those would be bowl games, who will be the MVP of these pretend games and what the final score will be of these mythical contests.

When that happens – and it certainly will – we will also be treated to people earnestly arguing on this message board and elsewhere who should have won the MVP of the game that hasn’t yet been played and what the real score of a game that will never be played actually will be.

Only then will we have reached peak college football idiocy.
 
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Are these predictions any dumber than the preseason top 25 poll? It's June, it's just off-season entertainment.

Yeah, this might be the dumbest complaint there is. "It's June. You guys should be talking about nothing since there is nothing to talk about, rather than projections of the upcoming football season."
 
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In all sincerity, that’s no less useful or ridiculous than anything else we are seeing regarding this year‘s bowl season. If you are projecting teams before they’ve even gone to camp, those are not predictions, those are guesses. There’s no expertise whatsoever involved in any of that. It’s literally guessing how many jellybeans are in a jar. That’s not a prediction, it is a straight up guess.

Projecting teams on such a small sample size as a "camp" is dumb. The numbers show it actually makes more sense to take into account the last 4 to 5 seasons when projecting a team to get a proper sample size. A camp really shouldn't do anything except for injuries. But that would be tweaking projections more than making them based on the camp.
 
In all sincerity, that’s no less useful or ridiculous than anything else we are seeing regarding this year‘s bowl season. If you are projecting teams before they’ve even gone to camp, those are not predictions, those are guesses. There’s no expertise whatsoever involved in any of that. It’s literally guessing how many jellybeans are in a jar. That’s not a prediction, it is a straight up guess.

Projecting teams on such a small sample size as a "camp" is dumb. The numbers show it actually makes more sense to take into account the last 4 to 5 seasons when projecting a team to get a proper sample size. A camp really shouldn't do anything except for injuries. But that would be tweaking projections more than making them based on the camp.

Well, I’m certainly not going to defend the Preseason Top 25. I think the postseason Top 25 is stupid and outdated. I won’t begin to defend the preseason version of it as I don’t own a crystal ball.

However, the reason why I think a camp is valuable is it allows you to account for the emergence of new starters and freshmen. More importantly, it allows you to account for injuries.

For example, if god forbid Kenny Pickett tears his ACL during our camp, that would have a dramatic impact on our season, right? I trust that most people understand that if our talented young quarterback gets hurt our season is very likely over at that point.

Well, there’s going to be injuries just like that hypothetical injury all over the country in camps all across the country. We know that because we see it every single year. There’s also going to be guys who emerge that no one is counting on right now and other guys who falter that no one is imagining is going to falter. That’s the fun of all of this.

None of that is accounted for in any of these “predictions.” It’s just typical college athletics shyster-ism.

When Dion Lewis came in, the stud running back coming in to replace Shady McCoy was supposed to be Ray Graham. That’s all anyone talked about was Ray Graham. Nobody said two words about Dion Lewis until camp started.

Then, once they actually started to practice in pads, people started noticing how good Lewis was and frankly, how much better he was than Graham. I can still remember people on this board who were at practices consistently telling anyone who would listen that Lewis was the stud prospect of the two. Those people were proven right.

I just don’t like anything that is such obvious guess work. There’s no skill in that and there’s certainly no expertise in that. That’s just people throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. I don’t respect that at all.
 
Yep. A post that gets college football fans talking about college football. Why would anybody ever want that?

Yeah, that’s fair. I’m not trying to piss on anyone’s parade. If you want to speculate over pretend bowl games, knock yourself out. I just personally prefer intelligent conversation to pablum.

I would be talking about college football anyway because I love discussing college football more than I do hypothetical scenarios.
 
Yeah, that’s fair. I’m not trying to piss on anyone’s parade. If you want to speculate over pretend bowl games, knock yourself out. I just personally prefer intelligent conversation to pablum.

I would be talking about college football anyway because I love discussing college football more than I do hypothetical scenarios.

What would be non-hypothetical talk in June? What the actual score of a game was last year, since it has a black and white, known answer?
 
Well, I’m certainly not going to defend the Preseason Top 25. I think the postseason Top 25 is stupid and outdated. I won’t begin to defend the preseason version of it as I don’t own a crystal ball.

However, the reason why I think a camp is valuable is it allows you to account for the emergence of new starters and freshmen. More importantly, it allows you to account for injuries.

For example, if god forbid Kenny Pickett tears his ACL during our camp, that would have a dramatic impact on our season, right? I trust that most people understand that if our talented young quarterback gets hurt our season is very likely over at that point.

Well, there’s going to be injuries just like that hypothetical injury all over the country in camps all across the country. We know that because we see it every single year. There’s also going to be guys who emerge that no one is counting on right now and other guys who falter that no one is imagining is going to falter. That’s the fun of all of this.

None of that is accounted for in any of these “predictions.” It’s just typical college athletics shyster-ism.

When Dion Lewis came in, the stud running back coming in to replace Shady McCoy was supposed to be Ray Graham. That’s all anyone talked about was Ray Graham. Nobody said two words about Dion Lewis until camp started.

Then, once they actually started to practice in pads, people started noticing how good Lewis was and frankly, how much better he was than Graham. I can still remember people on this board who were at practices consistently telling anyone who would listen that Lewis was the stud prospect of the two. Those people were proven right.

I just don’t like anything that is such obvious guess work. There’s no skill in that and there’s certainly no expertise in that. That’s just people throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. I don’t respect that at all.

That's all fine, but I think it all has way smaller of an impact than you think. You actually can take historical projections over a certain window, and reach a pretty accurate preseason model. You might not want that to be the case, but it is.
 
Yeah, that’s fair. I’m not trying to piss on anyone’s parade. If you want to speculate over pretend bowl games, knock yourself out. I just personally prefer intelligent conversation to pablum.

I would be talking about college football anyway because I love discussing college football more than I do hypothetical scenarios.

I learned a new awesome word... pablum. So, the thread, and thus the article proved to be fruitful.

These people need something to write articles about. A pretend scenario is just as OK to me as any other opinion piece. That is basically what it amounts to... these individual writers offering his own opinion as to what the bowls will be... which amounts to zilch. They probably had Hilary in the white house and the rise of the Blackberry as well.
 
Well, I’m certainly not going to defend the Preseason Top 25. I think the postseason Top 25 is stupid and outdated. I won’t begin to defend the preseason version of it as I don’t own a crystal ball.

However, the reason why I think a camp is valuable is it allows you to account for the emergence of new starters and freshmen. More importantly, it allows you to account for injuries.

For example, if god forbid Kenny Pickett tears his ACL during our camp, that would have a dramatic impact on our season, right? I trust that most people understand that if our talented young quarterback gets hurt our season is very likely over at that point.

Well, there’s going to be injuries just like that hypothetical injury all over the country in camps all across the country. We know that because we see it every single year. There’s also going to be guys who emerge that no one is counting on right now and other guys who falter that no one is imagining is going to falter. That’s the fun of all of this.

None of that is accounted for in any of these “predictions.” It’s just typical college athletics shyster-ism.

When Dion Lewis came in, the stud running back coming in to replace Shady McCoy was supposed to be Ray Graham. That’s all anyone talked about was Ray Graham. Nobody said two words about Dion Lewis until camp started.

Then, once they actually started to practice in pads, people started noticing how good Lewis was and frankly, how much better he was than Graham. I can still remember people on this board who were at practices consistently telling anyone who would listen that Lewis was the stud prospect of the two. Those people were proven right.

I just don’t like anything that is such obvious guess work. There’s no skill in that and there’s certainly no expertise in that. That’s just people throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. I don’t respect that at all.

That's all fine, but I think it all has way smaller of an impact than you think. You actually can take historical projections over a certain window, and reach a pretty accurate preseason model. You might not want that to be the case, but it is.


Right, I agree. Which is why I would like to see them project our 2027 season as well. That model will be just about as accurate/absurd - depending on your willing suspension of disbelief threshold - for that as it is for this year.
 
I’ll be going to the acc championship game with pitt against Clemson. Not sure about the bowl game.
 
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