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DT_PITT

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** I’m usually not one to exhibit angry outbursts during a Pitt Basketball game.

** But with 32 seconds to go in the first half, the Panthers had made a couple of plays in the previous minute or two to whittle the previous 20 point lead down to 13.

** A decently aggressive defensive possession held the Hoos without a shot, knocking the ball out of bounds with 5 seconds on the shot clock.

** Virginia called timeout, and if the Panthers could hold them, they would have a chance to cut the halftime lead to 11 or even 10.

** So after the timeout, the Hoos ran a simple high ball screen where Beebah just let Ames drive opposite the ball screen for a simple layup where no one helped.

** I went ballistic. I screamed some non message board friendly obscenities drawing some “interesting” looks from my seatmates.

** Then to make it worse, Capel calls a timeout leading to a terrible possession on our end with a turnaround prayer from Jaland.

** Those final 32 seconds probably summed up this entire game.

** In fact, at that point, I knew it was likely only a matter of how soon I’d be leaving this one.

** Somehow I managed to stick around to the last TV timeout, and even some of that was seen not from the seats, but at the large screen down below.

** If you are one who has been kind enough to read my postgame thoughts which I’ve been offering for over a quarter of century, you’ll notice that I’ve always resisted getting too high when things are looking good, and getting too low when they don’t.

** But this night, I’ll offer no such restraint. This was a loss that accomplished exactly what the Panther’s professed from the beginning of the year. That is “leave no doubt.”

** To me, there’s no doubt we are no longer a good basketball team. There’s no doubt this team has fallen so far that the NCAA Tournament is really just a pipe dream.

** Two years ago, I remember getting a text from a very knowledgeable Panther Lair expert claiming that he was amazed that the team had become a completely different team than they were in November.

** On the way home tonight, I texted to him the exact same notion about this team.

** I like to think I know a thing or two about basketball. And I still have little doubt that it was a pretty decent group we watched at the Greenbrier.

** But in those two games 4 ½ hours to the south, we totaled 24 assists. In this game, we had just 5.

** The team I watched that November weekend ran some semblance of an offense. The team we watched tonight, and really for most of this past month, does not.

** It’s become painfully clear that physical help defense, and strong doubles on our dribble drive game has rendered our offense nothing better than ineffectual. That’s how Virginia played us today. Not too mention that we have become a poor screening team too.

** Not that we’ve ever run any kind of effective offensive system, but I really can’t recall us running any zoom screen sets since Jaland scored on bunches of them to bring the Panthers back from a 16 point deficit against California.

** Still, the equal problem this night was our work on the other end was just as ineffectual. Actually not just this night, but this whole month.

** Over and over, we’ve demonstrated very undisciplined work defending ball screens. And look no further than our terrible work against the Hoos ball screen at 32 seconds in the first for all you need to see to make the point. For me, it just didn’t make the point. It brought me to the point of rage.

** One of the more pleasing aspects of the last two seasons was watching a team get better as the season progressed.

** But it’s clear now how much this team has regressed.

** Because of that, this indeed might be the worst loss in Jeff Capel’s tenure as the Panther Head Coach.

** There’s always the part of me that strives to enjoy the journey, while always asking to let the whole season play out before making greater proclamations. But at the moment, I see little rational reason to think that Capel has anything in his playbook to change the trajectory of where we now look to be headed.

** Where we look to be headed is two more losses that will do more than remove all doubt about what kind of team we’ve become. In fact, all it will do is create doubt.

** The doubt we'll be left with is how long Jeff Capel should remain as the man to lead this program.

** For me, this isn’t a thought driven by an angry outburst. This is not something I say lightly. I have grown to really like Jeff Capel the Man.

** Instead, it’s the reality of what I’m seeing on the court. We are 2-6 in our last 8 and we are getting worse. And if it plays out as it appears it will, that will mean one NCAA Tournament in 7 years. And that one trip was as an 11 seed in a play in game.

** Sure, maybe a great turnaround will make these comments look premature, if not silly. But I doubt it. I really, really doubt it.

** So I’ll sign off tonight not so angry like I was three hours ago. But that doesn’t mean I’m any less troubled.
 
The old saying is that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

By that definition, Jeff Capel is insane.

Our offense keeps getting bogged down, and rather than try something different we just keep pounding our heads against the wall. Jaland Lowe dribbles himself into trouble hunting for his shot, well let's give the ball to Ish Leggett and let him try. It didn't work for Leggett either? Well what if we let Damian Dunn have a crack at it?
 
The old saying is that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

By that definition, Jeff Capel is insane.

Our offense keeps getting bogged down, and rather than try something different we just keep pounding our heads against the wall. Jaland Lowe dribbles himself into trouble hunting for his shot, well let's give the ball to Ish Leggett and let him try. It didn't work for Leggett either? Well what if we let Damian Dunn have a crack at it?

The offense looked a little better with Jorge in there providing some shooting and spacing.

If only Capel would’ve used the non conference part of the season to build an actual rotation and roles rather than just letting the 3 guards dribble through everyone.
 
I posted on here about that Ames basket on Cummings. I said why was Cummings in the game and guarding him after the TO? That was a crucial stop. I felt if we could stop them and score to cut it to 10 or 11, maybe we could come back. At 15, I thought it was over.

The offense will catch a lot of heat and rightfully so but the defense was worse. In a low possession game, Pitt allowed UVa to score on 14 of 18 possessions turn a 4-1 deficit into a 30-10 lead. As offensively challenged as UVa is, it is inconceivable that out of 18 trips down the court, you only stop them 4 times. Yes, we were struggling offensively but your defense has to give you a chance. That should have been a 16-10 or 20-10 game. Not 30-10. Good Lord.

And it's the same thing over and over again. We can't rebound. Capel has to come up with some totally different lineup because this group cannot defend or rebound if their tournament lives depended on it.

For me, this was one of the 3 worst losses in the last 20 years. I'm not sure the order but Stallings's 55 point home loss to Louisville is one of them. This is one. And people forget the 62-39 loss at home to a really bad Rutgers team in the CBI season.

This loss might be #1 because we were playing for the tournament and we didn't even look like we were interested. I'm just glad I didn't go.
 
The old saying is that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

By that definition, Jeff Capel is insane.

Our offense keeps getting bogged down, and rather than try something different we just keep pounding our heads against the wall. Jaland Lowe dribbles himself into trouble hunting for his shot, well let's give the ball to Ish Leggett and let him try. It didn't work for Leggett either? Well what if we let Damian Dunn have a crack at it?

I can't believe I'm saying this but maybe we should try Gary's boy. Capel said he's open for anything. Lowe, Leggett, and Dunn have the same game. Maybe it would be better to have a different type of player in there. Nobody plays defense anyway. Maybe Delalic can space the floor. Something has to change. I dont know what but some of these guys can't play anymore
 
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Also, FWIW, Pitt's NET probably drops by 12-15 and we are going to towards the bottom of Next 4 Out. It's going to take an 8-1 finish to get in now.
 
For me, this was one of the 3 worst losses in the last 20 years. I'm not sure the order but Stallings's 55 point home loss to Louisville is one of them. This is one. And people forget the 62-39 loss at home to a really bad Rutgers team in the CBI season.

This loss might be #1 because we were playing for the tournament and we didn't even look like we were interested. I'm just glad I didn't go.
Your last point there is what differentiates this atrocity from those other bad losses. When this game tipped off we had a credible enough cover story of being a bubble contender. By the fourth media timeout of the first half our season was over.
 
Sit the entire starting 5 and start the reserves. Capel should have done that in the second half tonight, but didn't. This is a team, a program, that is regressing rapidly as the year goes on. We are terrible defensively, we can't rebound with anyone, our offense is 4 guys with cement in their shoes watching one guy make a fool of himself while dribbling all over the place and forcing shots, no ball movement and spacing on offense, no structure on offense at all.. And most concerning is that we apparently don't have any coaches who prepare this team to play a basketball game.

This isn't boding well for attendance and support next year. Most fans tonight who were brave enough to attend the game in person were gone by the 10 minute mark of the second half. I am glad I had my gin and tonic for the beginning of the second half then bolted. It's not worth the aggravation.
 
This has become a very disappointing season , opponents have figured out how to neutralize Pitts offense and the inability to defend and rebound leaves a very small margin of error for a W .

Pitt has three guards who constantly over dribble and try to drive to the hoop . Without someone like Blake , who made you pay by draining 3’s , they are collapsing their defense on them forcing them to put up horrible shots or turning the ball over . Zac has had some nice games , but he can’t put the team on his back like Blake or Bub did last year . Cummings has some perimeter potential, but his defense is non existent. Without better outside shooting this team has no answers and until Cummings learns to play some D he’s too much a liability out there .

This team really needed Amsal to be an impact player we were all hoping he was .
 
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They don't share the ball at all. They very rarely make the extra pass. Selfish bunch. Not sure what happened to the togetherness this team displayed early on.

I saw this Pitt team share the ball and make the extra pass maybe twice this entire season. Certainly not in the last few games and I guarantee they won't be doing it the rest of the season. That isn't a Capel offense, unfortunately. If you want to see that, watch most any other team with a pulse, but not Pitt.
 
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The old saying is that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

By that definition, Jeff Capel is insane.

Our offense keeps getting bogged down, and rather than try something different we just keep pounding our heads against the wall. Jaland Lowe dribbles himself into trouble hunting for his shot, well let's give the ball to Ish Leggett and let him try. It didn't work for Leggett either? Well what if we let Damian Dunn have a crack at it?
Just imagine If some time traveling Pitt fan showed up while you were watching Trey mcgowens and Xavier Johnson dribble into trouble whilst going 3-15 in conference play in 2018-2019 and said “Pitt will still be doing this shit half a decade later.”
 
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Just imagine If some time traveling Pitt fan showed up while you were watching Trey mcgowens and Xavier Johnson dribble into trouble whilst going 3-15 in conference play in 2018-2019 and said “Pitt will still be doing this shit half a decade later.”

It's a Pitt trademark now. It's what Pitt does.
 
I posted on here about that Ames basket on Cummings. I said why was Cummings in the game and guarding him after the TO? That was a crucial stop. I felt if we could stop them and score to cut it to 10 or 11, maybe we could come back. At 15, I thought it was over.

The offense will catch a lot of heat and rightfully so but the defense was worse. In a low possession game, Pitt allowed UVa to score on 14 of 18 possessions turn a 4-1 deficit into a 30-10 lead. As offensively challenged as UVa is, it is inconceivable that out of 18 trips down the court, you only stop them 4 times. Yes, we were struggling offensively but your defense has to give you a chance. That should have been a 16-10 or 20-10 game. Not 30-10. Good Lord.

And it's the same thing over and over again. We can't rebound. Capel has to come up with some totally different lineup because this group cannot defend or rebound if their tournament lives depended on it.

For me, this was one of the 3 worst losses in the last 20 years. I'm not sure the order but Stallings's 55 point home loss to Louisville is one of them. This is one. And people forget the 62-39 loss at home to a really bad Rutgers team in the CBI season.

This loss might be #1 because we were playing for the tournament and we didn't even look like we were interested. I'm just glad I didn't go.
Those three are a pretty good guess at the top 3. Nothing tops the 55 point loss under Stallings though. I may have to give this some thought.
 
This has become a very disappointing season , opponents have figured out how to neutralize Pitts offense and the inability to defend and rebound leaves a very small margin of error for a W .

Pitt has three guards who constantly over dribble and try to drive to the hoop . Without someone like Blake , who made you pay by draining 3’s , they are collapsing their defense on them forcing them to put up horrible shots or turning the ball over . Zac has had some nice games , but he can’t put the team on his back like Blake or Bub did last year . Cummings has some perimeter potential, but his defense is non existent. Without better outside shooting this team has no answers and until Cummings learns to play some D he’s too much a liability out there .

This team really needed Amsal to be an impact player we were all hoping he was .
People keep saying Cummings defense is why he is not playing. The problem is that the other players are playing much if any defense either. So to that point, if no one is playing defense, lst Cummings play, to provide the outside shooting threat at tge guard position the team is lacking.

If team good man defense, then Capel need to get his ass in the gym and teach the players to play some type of zone, that they can learn to play as a team. It would be much easier for them play as a team. In man they get lost and dont fight through screens and leave shooters wide open with no resistance, its why teams who dont shoot well most games, but does against Pitt. But Capel doesnt know what to do.
 
People keep saying Cummings defense is why he is not playing. The problem is that the other players are playing much if any defense either. So to that point, if no one is playing defense, lst Cummings play, to provide the outside shooting threat at tge guard position the team is lacking.

If team good man defense, then Capel need to get his ass in the gym and teach the players to play some type of zone, that they can learn to play as a team. It would be much easier for them play as a team. In man they get lost and dont fight through screens and leave shooters wide open with no resistance, its why teams who dont shoot well most games, but does against Pitt. But Capel doesnt know what to do.

At this point, this I'd have this team switch 1 through 5 with no help off shooters. We can't play "normal" man to man defense.
 
Those three are a pretty good guess at the top 3. Nothing tops the 55 point loss under Stallings though. I may have to give this some thought.

The 55 point loss to Louisville was sort of like Ohio State 72-0. We knew the teams sucked and wasn't going anywhere but it was the margin. This loss to UVa could rank #1 simply because we were playing for our tournament lives at home and looked completely disinterested in playing.
 
** I’m usually not one to exhibit angry outbursts during a Pitt Basketball game.

** But with 32 seconds to go in the first half, the Panthers had made a couple of plays in the previous minute or two to whittle the previous 20 point lead down to 13.

** A decently aggressive defensive possession held the Hoos without a shot, knocking the ball out of bounds with 5 seconds on the shot clock.

** Virginia called timeout, and if the Panthers could hold them, they would have a chance to cut the halftime lead to 11 or even 10.

** So after the timeout, the Hoos ran a simple high ball screen where Beebah just let Ames drive opposite the ball screen for a simple layup where no one helped.

** I went ballistic. I screamed some non message board friendly obscenities drawing some “interesting” looks from my seatmates.

** Then to make it worse, Capel calls a timeout leading to a terrible possession on our end with a turnaround prayer from Jaland.

** Those final 32 seconds probably summed up this entire game.

** In fact, at that point, I knew it was likely only a matter of how soon I’d be leaving this one.

** Somehow I managed to stick around to the last TV timeout, and even some of that was seen not from the seats, but at the large screen down below.

** If you are one who has been kind enough to read my postgame thoughts which I’ve been offering for over a quarter of century, you’ll notice that I’ve always resisted getting too high when things are looking good, and getting too low when they don’t.

** But this night, I’ll offer no such restraint. This was a loss that accomplished exactly what the Panther’s professed from the beginning of the year. That is “leave no doubt.”

** To me, there’s no doubt we are no longer a good basketball team. There’s no doubt this team has fallen so far that the NCAA Tournament is really just a pipe dream.

** Two years ago, I remember getting a text from a very knowledgeable Panther Lair expert claiming that he was amazed that the team had become a completely different team than they were in November.

** On the way home tonight, I texted to him the exact same notion about this team.

** I like to think I know a thing or two about basketball. And I still have little doubt that it was a pretty decent group we watched at the Greenbrier.

** But in those two games 4 ½ hours to the south, we totaled 24 assists. In this game, we had just 5.

** The team I watched that November weekend ran some semblance of an offense. The team we watched tonight, and really for most of this past month, does not.

** It’s become painfully clear that physical help defense, and strong doubles on our dribble drive game has rendered our offense nothing better than ineffectual. That’s how Virginia played us today. Not too mention that we have become a poor screening team too.

** Not that we’ve ever run any kind of effective offensive system, but I really can’t recall us running any zoom screen sets since Jaland scored on bunches of them to bring the Panthers back from a 16 point deficit against California.

** Still, the equal problem this night was our work on the other end was just as ineffectual. Actually not just this night, but this whole month.

** Over and over, we’ve demonstrated very undisciplined work defending ball screens. And look no further than our terrible work against the Hoos ball screen at 32 seconds in the first for all you need to see to make the point. For me, it just didn’t make the point. It brought me to the point of rage.

** One of the more pleasing aspects of the last two seasons was watching a team get better as the season progressed.

** But it’s clear now how much this team has regressed.

** Because of that, this indeed might be the worst loss in Jeff Capel’s tenure as the Panther Head Coach.

** There’s always the part of me that strives to enjoy the journey, while always asking to let the whole season play out before making greater proclamations. But at the moment, I see little rational reason to think that Capel has anything in his playbook to change the trajectory of where we now look to be headed.

** Where we look to be headed is two more losses that will do more than remove all doubt about what kind of team we’ve become. In fact, all it will do is create doubt.

** The doubt we'll be left with is how long Jeff Capel should remain as the man to lead this program.

** For me, this isn’t a thought driven by an angry outburst. This is not something I say lightly. I have grown to really like Jeff Capel the Man.

** Instead, it’s the reality of what I’m seeing on the court. We are 2-6 in our last 8 and we are getting worse. And if it plays out as it appears it will, that will mean one NCAA Tournament in 7 years. And that one trip was as an 11 seed in a play in game.

** Sure, maybe a great turnaround will make these comments look premature, if not silly. But I doubt it. I really, really doubt it.

** So I’ll sign off tonight not so angry like I was three hours ago. But that doesn’t mean I’m any less troubled.
I hear you, DT. Like I said in an earlier post, and now that you've vented thoroughly and properly, please save your sanity and refrain from any more Dribbles this season. At least until the team figures out what they need to do to compete @ the P5 level, or at least in the ACC. You're a good man; a good father; a good husband; and your profession helps a lot of deserving people. Focus on that. Pitt Basketball may or may not return to the glory years we had under Howland and Dixon. Take some time off and enjoy the things that you CAN control. Life is too short
 
I posted on here about that Ames basket on Cummings. I said why was Cummings in the game and guarding him after the TO? That was a crucial stop. I felt if we could stop them and score to cut it to 10 or 11, maybe we could come back. At 15, I thought it was over.

The offense will catch a lot of heat and rightfully so but the defense was worse. In a low possession game, Pitt allowed UVa to score on 14 of 18 possessions turn a 4-1 deficit into a 30-10 lead. As offensively challenged as UVa is, it is inconceivable that out of 18 trips down the court, you only stop them 4 times. Yes, we were struggling offensively but your defense has to give you a chance. That should have been a 16-10 or 20-10 game. Not 30-10. Good Lord.

And it's the same thing over and over again. We can't rebound. Capel has to come up with some totally different lineup because this group cannot defend or rebound if their tournament lives depended on it.

For me, this was one of the 3 worst losses in the last 20 years. I'm not sure the order but Stallings's 55 point home loss to Louisville is one of them. This is one. And people forget the 62-39 loss at home to a really bad Rutgers team in the CBI season.

This loss might be #1 because we were playing for the tournament and we didn't even look like we were interested. I'm just glad I didn't go.

I guess low expectations keeps these from the list, but Capel has lost to all these teams during his tenure:

Niagara, Nicholls St, St Francis (PA), The Citadel, UMBC, Monmouth

I don’t mean to pile on but … that’s pathetic.

And the last 3 on the list were all in Year 4!
 
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