"topdecktiger, post: 183810, member: 3806"]Yes, it was. You can link all you want. It wasn't unexpected that it would take several months. There was already a timetable in place. The expansion committee was voted for at the end of 2003. They had a timetable to evaluate schools and the financial aspects. Then the formal presentation was scheduled for May or June (can't remember which), at which time the final vote to accept the recommended teams would be taken.
It was the Big East made the call to let Miami & VT out in 2003, so they could proceed with their own expansion not the ACC Expansion Committee and would have taken years not months. BC actually was not included at that time due to what i said, caused delays when UVA would not vote Yes without VT.
Since VT ws not part of the First Plan and wanted the Big East to stay together with Cuse & BC this caused a delay as well.
Finally, BC was invited but could not come until Big East Expansion would be implemented until 2005 to join, those years not weeks and months?
No, it wasn't. Duke and North Carolina were the only teams against expansion.
Nope, UVA would not Vote Yes until VT was admitted First even before Miami? Yes, Duke and UNC still voted No, but there was going to be no vote at all without UVA approval and that was never a simple matter and not part of the First Plan!
No, simply not true. The only thing that caused a problem was that Virginia switched to a no vote.
I said that is my Post that corrected your own.
That is what caused the change. Had Virginia remained a yes vote, then Virginia Tech never would have been taken. They still would have taken Miami, Syracuse, and Boston College. Syracuse didn't pull out. They got left out.
NOPE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN------UVA Said only Yes Vote if VT is included, that is what happen and I had in my post then you ever did! If UVA votes NO then the Links I posted clearly show there was not going to be any Expansion even Miami? Quit lying the Links have you Blinking instead of Thinking!
Oh, and this idea you keep pushing that Swofford was trying to kill the Big East is fiction. He wasn't trying to kill the Big East, and he wasn't trying to remove their BCS bid. He was simply trying to improve his conference.
1. Well, tell to Ivan Mansel Link and other Sports Writers & Economists they wrote it. Tell it to the Denver Consultant it was written in their Plan and tell it to yourself someday, now go read the Links that proved you were wrong!
2. In addition, the Expansion Plan without Cuse did not provide the money expected either and more proof Swofford was after Cuse not VT from the start!
3. Furthermore, when Swofford came back later for Cuse & Pitt that did wipe out the Big East and that is more proof I am right because Cuse was the First Plan.
4. When Miami was added to VT and UVA Division and nott put in with FSU Division that was because the Expansion Plan actually stated The ACC intended to have 2 Teams in 2 BCS Bowls as part of the increased money the Plan would add. UNC & Duke cited that was another reason why they voted against it.
5. If you were correct there was no reason to separate Miami from FSU except that both often went to BCS Bowls when one was in the ACC and the other in Big East? Both also were often in the Top Ten Rankings that could them to BCS Bowls an putting them in the same Division would make them tougher to put in two BCS Bowls. Do you need a LINK??? To be proven wrong again on that too?
6. Finally, The First Plan had Cuse expanding the ACC Footprint in the Top Third State New York and when Swoffod added PITT and Pennsylvania it was even larger and that really hurt the Big East too, and ended it as a Power Conference?
7. Now, I agree this would not just improve the ACC but Swofford sought to protect it from SEC & Big Ten Raiding as we know were on the move too. However, the First Plan was in error when VT replaced Cuse and Big East Expansion Football not only survived but passed ACC BCS Rankings and Ratings to renew its BCS Bid and Big East Basketball passed ACC in quality too. Swofford improved the ACC by adding Pitt, Cuse, ND (5 Games), and ULou all Big East FB & BB Teams, and destroyed the Big East Football as a P6 conference and created a bigger footprint more than any other Power Conference. There is no Big East Football today and the AAC is not a Power Conference.
Right, and what you say didn't happen. Nothing changed until UVA switched. That was the direct cause of the problem.
I said that in my Post and go back and read it and it was not simple as you said, since I linked how the VT President did not even want to join the ACC until Big East Schools refused to sign the Binding Agreement that was not in any Posts of yours before mind? My, post was far more accurate than anything you put up and my links backed me up, not you!
I don't doubt Syracuse had mixed feeling about leaving the Big East.
Hmmnnn, well you wer wrong, because VT President went to them first and asked them to stay and sign a Binding Agreement with BC too and all big East Schools, when they said no, the VT President straight to the Governor and the Attorney General and UVA President said NO VT NO YES VOTE, and that was not the First Plan that included Cuse, and did not enhance the Expansion Plan has much as Cue have done, and VT replaced Cuse as BC kept a double game in play, and that shows it was not simple as you claimed?
They didn't back out of the ACC bid. That's simply false.
I never said they did, I said they balked enough and Vt got Va & UVA behind them and my links back me and my first post on the subject better than your own.
UVA switched to a no vote unless Virginia Tech was taken.
Yep, just like First Post augmented and my links proved it was not a simple process as you kept crying like a baby about and all my other info way better than your own!
That caused the ACC to have to change plans, and they ended up taking Miami and Virginia Tech instead.
Let us be more specific just in my first post and replies to you,.....Nope Again, and you are just not detailed enough and accept it. The ACC Plans were only changed after the VT President first tried to save the Big East by trying to make sure CUSE & BC & Big East Schools except Miami would sign Binding Agreements not to leave the Big East. when they refused, VT ran to the VA Governor and UVA President and Attorney General and then and only then did the ACC vote in VT & Miami and BC still had to wait, and this makes my comments far more accurate than your simple wrong ones?
You Demanded Links, you Wanted Links and you got Links! Now go and sin no more and be crystal clear how much complicated it was under the words of VT University President that was far more involved than anything you posted, and I at least I kept and recalled what happen far more accurately than you ever did here?
TDT
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CSR
It was the Big East made the call to let Miami & VT out in 2003, so they could proceed with their own expansion not the ACC Expansion Committee and would have taken years not months. BC actually was not included at that time due to what i said, caused delays when UVA would not vote Yes without VT.
Since VT ws not part of the First Plan and wanted the Big East to stay together with Cuse & BC this caused a delay as well.
Finally, BC was invited but could not come until Big East Expansion would be implemented until 2005 to join, those years not weeks and months?
No, it wasn't. Duke and North Carolina were the only teams against expansion.
Nope, UVA would not Vote Yes until VT was admitted First even before Miami? Yes, Duke and UNC still voted No, but there was going to be no vote at all without UVA approval and that was never a simple matter and not part of the First Plan!
No, simply not true. The only thing that caused a problem was that Virginia switched to a no vote.
I said that is my Post that corrected your own.
That is what caused the change. Had Virginia remained a yes vote, then Virginia Tech never would have been taken. They still would have taken Miami, Syracuse, and Boston College. Syracuse didn't pull out. They got left out.
NOPE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN------UVA Said only Yes Vote if VT is included, that is what happen and I had in my post then you ever did! If UVA votes NO then the Links I posted clearly show there was not going to be any Expansion even Miami? Quit lying the Links have you Blinking instead of Thinking!
Oh, and this idea you keep pushing that Swofford was trying to kill the Big East is fiction. He wasn't trying to kill the Big East, and he wasn't trying to remove their BCS bid. He was simply trying to improve his conference.
1. Well, tell to Ivan Mansel Link and other Sports Writers & Economists they wrote it. Tell it to the Denver Consultant it was written in their Plan and tell it to yourself someday, now go read the Links that proved you were wrong!
2. In addition, the Expansion Plan without Cuse did not provide the money expected either and more proof Swofford was after Cuse not VT from the start!
3. Furthermore, when Swofford came back later for Cuse & Pitt that did wipe out the Big East and that is more proof I am right because Cuse was the First Plan.
4. When Miami was added to VT and UVA Division and nott put in with FSU Division that was because the Expansion Plan actually stated The ACC intended to have 2 Teams in 2 BCS Bowls as part of the increased money the Plan would add. UNC & Duke cited that was another reason why they voted against it.
5. If you were correct there was no reason to separate Miami from FSU except that both often went to BCS Bowls when one was in the ACC and the other in Big East? Both also were often in the Top Ten Rankings that could them to BCS Bowls an putting them in the same Division would make them tougher to put in two BCS Bowls. Do you need a LINK??? To be proven wrong again on that too?
6. Finally, The First Plan had Cuse expanding the ACC Footprint in the Top Third State New York and when Swoffod added PITT and Pennsylvania it was even larger and that really hurt the Big East too, and ended it as a Power Conference?
7. Now, I agree this would not just improve the ACC but Swofford sought to protect it from SEC & Big Ten Raiding as we know were on the move too. However, the First Plan was in error when VT replaced Cuse and Big East Expansion Football not only survived but passed ACC BCS Rankings and Ratings to renew its BCS Bid and Big East Basketball passed ACC in quality too. Swofford improved the ACC by adding Pitt, Cuse, ND (5 Games), and ULou all Big East FB & BB Teams, and destroyed the Big East Football as a P6 conference and created a bigger footprint more than any other Power Conference. There is no Big East Football today and the AAC is not a Power Conference.
Right, and what you say didn't happen. Nothing changed until UVA switched. That was the direct cause of the problem.
I said that in my Post and go back and read it and it was not simple as you said, since I linked how the VT President did not even want to join the ACC until Big East Schools refused to sign the Binding Agreement that was not in any Posts of yours before mind? My, post was far more accurate than anything you put up and my links backed me up, not you!
I don't doubt Syracuse had mixed feeling about leaving the Big East.
Hmmnnn, well you wer wrong, because VT President went to them first and asked them to stay and sign a Binding Agreement with BC too and all big East Schools, when they said no, the VT President straight to the Governor and the Attorney General and UVA President said NO VT NO YES VOTE, and that was not the First Plan that included Cuse, and did not enhance the Expansion Plan has much as Cue have done, and VT replaced Cuse as BC kept a double game in play, and that shows it was not simple as you claimed?
They didn't back out of the ACC bid. That's simply false.
I never said they did, I said they balked enough and Vt got Va & UVA behind them and my links back me and my first post on the subject better than your own.
UVA switched to a no vote unless Virginia Tech was taken.
Yep, just like First Post augmented and my links proved it was not a simple process as you kept crying like a baby about and all my other info way better than your own!
That caused the ACC to have to change plans, and they ended up taking Miami and Virginia Tech instead.
Let us be more specific just in my first post and replies to you,.....Nope Again, and you are just not detailed enough and accept it. The ACC Plans were only changed after the VT President first tried to save the Big East by trying to make sure CUSE & BC & Big East Schools except Miami would sign Binding Agreements not to leave the Big East. when they refused, VT ran to the VA Governor and UVA President and Attorney General and then and only then did the ACC vote in VT & Miami and BC still had to wait, and this makes my comments far more accurate than your simple wrong ones?
You Demanded Links, you Wanted Links and you got Links! Now go and sin no more and be crystal clear how much complicated it was under the words of VT University President that was far more involved than anything you posted, and I at least I kept and recalled what happen far more accurately than you ever did here?
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CSR
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