Vukovan reporting Hamlin had sports hernia surgery
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Huh? He played in games 8, 9, and 10. Do get a medical RS, you cant play in game 4 or later......unless they changed a rule.
-He wasnt healthy all season. It was dumb to even play him, but with all the injuries we had next to nothing left.
It's done by amount of plays in a season. The dates of the games has no impact.
I am not so sure about that bobfree. not the hardship waiver rule that I read from 10/15. unless it's changed since last October, it definitely states first half of season.
- The player must have suffered an injury during their senior year of high school, or during one of their four eligible seasons for college competition.
- The injury suffered must be "incapacitating", meaning it must be a season-ending injury.
- The injury must occur during the first half of the season.
- The player must have competed in no more than 30% of the season or four games, whichever is greater.
Good, now heal Damar, and I bet Coach Narduzzi & James Conner was there!
Others can care about the Redshirt, I prefer to care he heals, gets healthy, stays well, and glad he came to Pitt, he is another Genuine Smart Recruits that chose Pitt!
well yes but he returned from it, thus eliminating the "incapacitating" angle. it's worth a shot I guess, worse they can say is no..
Good catch, Bob. You are correct. Pitt has a colorable argument here that he is still entitled to the RS because notwithstanding the fact that the injury didn't prevent him from participating in the second half of the season, it still occurred during the first half of the season. Have no idea how the numskulls at the NCAA interpret and apply the rule.
Yes, they can argue that the injury happened in the first 3rd of the season, but it has to be "incapacitating".
Since he returned later in the year, it won't be deemed incapacitating", thus he is not eligible for medical redshirt.
Since he returned later in the year, it won't be deemed incapacitating", thus he is not eligible for medical redshirt.
Bullet point 1: check. Injury occurred between end of HS career and beginning of fall camp
BP2: check. The injury was season-ending eventually.
BP3: check. The injury did occur during (before actually) first half of season.
BP4: check. played in 25% of games
Pitt will argue that the rules do not clearly state that a player loses eligibility if he return from a lingering injury but quickly reinjures it, ending his season. He checks all the boxes. Its up to the NCAA to interpret.
The re-injury WAS incapacitating. The rules are not clear enough to designate if they mean the original injury (which was intendes Im sure) or the re-injury.
Again I'm not arguing and it's semantics but after the benefit of hindsight it was incapacitating.
When he suffered the injury earlier in the year, it absolutely wasn't "incapacitating" (i.e Season Ending), because he played after the injury. In games 8, 9, and 10.
Sounds like he will qualify for a redshirt. By the way, the season consist of days, not games. So, if we play a bowl game dec. 31... the half of the season moves.
Anyways, I am sure the hernia will be found in the first half of the season
Anyways, I am sure the hernia will be found in the first half of the season
Yeah, the rule (12.8.4 in the NCAA Manual Division I 2016-2017) is clear on this issue ...... the injury has to occur in the 1st half of the season and be incapacitating so that the player cannot compete for the remainder of the playing season.
Furthermore and more important, rule 12.8.4.3.5 seems to directly address Hamlin's situation ..... A student-athlete who suffers an injury in the 1st half of the season and attempts to return to competition in the 2nd half of the season and is unable to participate further secondary to aggravating the initial injury does not qualify for a medical hardship waiver.
Pitt can petition for a medical hardship waiver but it doesn't look like Hamlin qualifies.
Also, the second half of the season is determined by number of games NOT dates ..... game #7 starts the second half of a 12 game season.
Rule 12.8.4.3.5 is clear on this issue ...... if a student-athlete is injured in the 1st half of the season and attempts to play in the 2nd half of the season and aggravates the injury in the 2nd half of the season so that he then no longer can compete, he is NOT eligible for a medical hardship waiver.
OK, but what if the player didn't play in the first half of the season?
Example: Conner gets hurt last year vs YSU. He comes back vs Duke and reinjures his knee and doesn't play again that season. Pretty clear no RS there. That's what the rule is written for.
In Hamlin's case, he injured it BEFORE the season and played 0 games up until game 8, then reinjured it. Nothing clear on this scenario unless you can find it.
It is absolutely clear as the injury can occur anytime after the 1st day of classes of the student-athletes senior year of high school for this rule 12.8.4.3.5 to apply ...... therefore, he doesn't have to play in the 1st half of the season for the rule to apply.
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It doesn't matter whether they did or didn't. He played in the 2nd half of the season and wasn't incapacitated until then.
So Narduzzi and others down at Pitt are morons? I mean, obviously the rule is so clear that Pantherlair posters can draw a verdict, why waste their time?
Who said "Pat Narduzzi and others down at Pitt are morons"? The OP and others said he might be able to get a medical redshirt. He can't. The people suggesting he can (and clearly not knowing the rules) are wrong. That doesn't make them morons. Their lack of knowledge doesn't have anything to do with Pat Narduzzi or Pitt.
For example, bobfree is a pretty solid poster, from what I have come across, but he is dead wrong on this subject. He proved it when he said "It's done by amount of plays in a season. The dates of the games has no impact." Those are the people arguing he could get a medical redshirt.
Obviously we don't know all the circumstances and what Pitt will argue regarding a possible redshirt for Hamlin (or in the end whether they will even try to get him a redshirt) but just trying to clarify the medical hardship waiver as written in the NCAA Manual as there seems to be a lot of misconceptions about it and I admit sometimes interpretation of the rules can be difficult...... from my understanding of the rule, I don't think he will get the medical hardship waiver (that is my opinion) but if Pitt can get it for him then kudos to them ..... I'll be happy ....... also, maybe there is some other waiver or exception that can be used to get him a redshirt that you or I don't know about ....... no one is saying that Narduzzi and others at Pitt are morons and for you to imply so is ludicrous ...... in fact, if they can get Hamlin a medical hardship waiver, I would consider them geniuses.
I mean, regardless of all this, if he's a freak talent, he's leaving after his JR year. Otherwise after his SR year.
Pitt likely has him for three more years. All's well.
Pitt likely has him for three more years. All's well.
Love how you guys have him in the NFL already. Optimism is one thing but you guys take it to another level.
I don't him in the NFL. As I said, Pitt likely has him for three more years... As in he'd graduate and move on. Even sans a MD RS, that's plenty. Pitt's recruiting other CB/DB with talent and has dudes that RS this season too. It doesn't matter that much to me whether or not he gets the RS. I'm not convinced he'll start until his JR year.
Pitt is unlikely to even submit a worthless request for a medical redshirt for him. I certainly haven't seen Narduzzi say they plan to.
First,
It appears my statement about timing of plays was incorrect. I thought I had read a change to that but obviously I am wrong.
second,
F it I'll do it live .....
It appears my statement about timing of plays was incorrect. I thought I had read a change to that but obviously I am wrong.
second,
F it I'll do it live .....
