He finds ways to get the ball to Q. Henderson in space as many times per game as possible. What a weapon.
Watson will look like a genius if.....
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Just as good as Barkley and will keep Defenses on their Toes!
With a kid like him, Watson needs a "Where's Waldo?" -type plan. Keep moving the kid around so that it makes it harder for the oppositions' defenses to find him. And when they do, you can bet that there's gonna be times when they over-adjust in their attempts to stop Q. That should open-up other places to attack.
When an offense has as many weapons as Pitt's has, no college defense can defend against all of them. And that's where play-calling and the quarterback's ability to read defenses becomes the key.
Different, but certainly related:
About a week ago, I re-watched the Pitt-Clemson game, and I marveled at Nate Peterman's abilities as he made some crucial decisions and throws in the teeth of the Clemson pass rush. With so many Pitt players having great performances in that game, it's hard to imagine anyone's performance having a greater overall impact on the outcome of that game than Peterman's. Some of the reads and throws that he made must be knocking the socks off of the scouts (and other "talent experts") who've been watching the video -- especially when they realize that Nate was playing against what was considered one of the best defenses in the nation.
NOPE, Barkley was the sole Penn State Consensus All American just named but not on First or Second Teams, with Pitt's Dorian Johnson and Ejuan Price on Teams.
However, Pitt's Henderson was an "UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ALL AMERICAN" on the First Team and that is far Bigger and Rare Honor! WVU had 2 Consensus All Americans too. But only Pitt had an Unanimous Consensus All American and leads both Programs with more than them.
I know you love PITT and want to make sure everyone knows that PITT is in the Top Ten with UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ALL AMERICANS than PSU & WVU and what Henderson earned surpass Barkley as well as Johnson and Price being named to Teams, unlike Barkley.
Henderson was also just a Sophomore and 3 Star Recruit and actually out gained Barkley in All Purpose Yards! Like DC posted he is better! I was being kind not mentioning it!
Both great...can't wait til the giant erector set showdown...
Who needs 11 players on offense. We have Q and Aston. Really, having anyone beyond these two is just not fair.
Aston is the new Ditka. We can discuss his exploits like da Bears guys did on SNL
The most important fact between Barkley and Henderson is that Pitt won where it matters....on the field. As you stated Henderson is a consensus All American and surpassed Barkley in all purpose yards..you are correct.
Now if you look at last year's game statistics you'll see that Barkley had a very pedestrian
4.3 yds per carry. Of course when you look even closer, PSU's ydg. came mainly through the air,
once they spotted our weakness. Even though they went away from him, Barkley still scored
5 touchdowns...yes 5. Now those are Heisman type numbers. Barkley will definitely be a
strong candidate for this year's Heisman. If Henderson does what many on this board are expecting, he too will be a Heisman candidate. But seriously, at this point in time most
prognosticators in the country (other than the ones on this board LOL) see Barkley as a front runner. Now with that said, I'm rooting for Henderson...what concerns me the most is his size,
and ability to take the kind of punishment he's gonna take if he gets the numerous "touches"
that's needed for this award.
He's fast, and more importantly quicker and more allusive than Barkley. He can also return Kick offs and punts, Barkley doesn't (not because he can't, but because their coaches won't risk it).
On the other hand, Barkley is also fast and allusive but is much stronger than Henderson and
is a load to bring down. He's also an every down back and will give opposing defenses fits
because they have to watch PSU's many other offensive weapons. We will not have the offensive weapons we had last year (Connor, Peterson, Orndoff). I also believe the jet sweep
will be less of a surprise and teams will be ready for it...as we saw towards the end of last season. I'm hoping Watson will have us prepared for that eventuality, and will have some new
tricks up his sleeve to get Henderson out "in space."
Ok...good conversation....but good as Henderson is, Pitt has a long way to go.
Big fall off with both. They may be fast, but the comparison with Henderson ends there.
By he same token of wanting to get the very talented Quad Henderson the ball will be Watson finding multiple ways to use Quad as a decoy & finding ways to allow some of our other less distinguished players, but very talented in their own right, the ball thus compounding the pressures on our opponents.
All of a sudden Henderson becomes an even bigger threat because of the attention he commands when in fact he does not have the football.
Watson will have an even greater advantage of being able to use Quad as bait thus opening up the playing field for other talents.
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All of a sudden Henderson becomes an even bigger threat because of the attention he commands when in fact he does not have the football.
Watson will have an even greater advantage of being able to use Quad as bait thus opening up the playing field for other talents.
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Nate left by far the biggest shoe size to fill and there will almost certainly be a significant drop off offensively without Nate and with yet another new OC. Nate could also run a little bit and Canada took advantage of that with some of the read option looks we mixed in. I don't think Brown has that dimension.
This is very true. IMO,You ht the nail on the head with
The key being...those "other players." Last year we had incredible offensive
talent that was the focus, thus allowing Henderson to almost roam free. I'm not
as sure this year with just who those "others" are yet. New QB, new RB, new TE..
all of those are inexperienced and unproven. The only place we're IMO,better is at WR,
where as you would guess, Henderson is already in place LOL.
Eff Penn State.
Where I am very concerned w/ the new OC , QB & offense as a whole is can they be as efficient w/ the football pre snap (very few bad snaps, motion penalties, delay of game, etc., etc.) Nate was as good in directing the offense, taking care of the football & managing a very complex & fast moving(lots of mov't's & motion)parts than I can remember a Pitt QB of doing. And I was very critical of Nate but the kid did step up as his time went on to be gamer & he always seemed to be calm under pressure.
Last years overall players always seemed to be on the same page & ran all that motion offense to a very high level.
If we can be anywhere close to that kind of efficiency this year we will be in great shape going forward.
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"Chescat, post: 1872874, member: 176"]The most important fact between Barkley and Henderson is that Pitt won where it matters....on the field. As you stated Henderson is a consensus All American and surpassed Barkley in all purpose yards..you are correct.
Henderson is "Unanimous Consensus AA" Big Difference that is very rare.
Now if you look at last year's game statistics you'll see that Barkley had a very pedestrian 4.3 yds per carry. Of course when you look even closer, PSU's ydg. came mainly through the air, once they spotted our weakness. Even though they went away from him, Barkley still scored 5 touchdowns...yes 5.
I agree and Barkley is always a threat to score and helps the PSu Offense go, but Trace The Ace calls the shots on who is open.
Now those are Heisman type numbers. Barkley will definitely be a strong candidate for this year's Heisman.
Agree and he deserves to be a candidate with Trace.
If Henderson does what many on this board are expecting, he too will be a Heisman candidate.
I am not so sure, Pitt uses too many weapons and spreads it around and Henderson is not given the ball as much as Barkley.
But seriously, at this point in time most prognosticators in the country (other than the ones on this board LOL) see Barkley as a front runner.
And that is fair, plus Barkley scored Game Winning TDS too.
Now with that said, I'm rooting for Henderson...what concerns me the most is his size,
and ability to take the kind of punishment he's gonna take if he gets the numerous "touches" that's needed for this award. He's fast, and more importantly quicker and more allusive than Barkley.
Agree again, but Henderson doesn't get hit as much as WR Slot and when he is gone, seldom touched. If he was the featured the RB I would agree, but QH is not and Barkley was hobbled at times by being hit so much, to be fair too.
He can also return Kick offs and punts, Barkley doesn't (not because he can't, but because their coaches won't risk it).
Barkley doesn't have what Henderson has when running back kicks. QH makes quick decisions and cuts faster on Returns and very special at it. Few do it as often, not a shot at Barkley either, doesn't have it. I thought Polk would be doing it but he has not played that much either.
On the other hand, Barkley is also fast and allusive but is much stronger than Henderson and is a load to bring down.
Yes, very fair statement but is over used too, and why was injured in some games!
He's also an every down back and will give opposing defenses fits because they have to watch PSU's many other offensive weapons. We will not have the offensive weapons we had last year (Connor, Peterson, Orndoff).
True, but PSU does't play 4 Quarters either just yet? Their Boyd in Godwin went to NFL too, and must be replaced. PITT Wrs and RBS are just as good as PSU. On Pitt, up to Narduzzi and Watson to replace QB and TEthem. this has all been said before, you keep repeating what was already posted by others? But it is OK, it is still discussion on FB
I also believe the jet sweep will be less of a surprise and teams will be ready for it...as we saw towards the end of last season. I'm hoping Watson will have us prepared for that eventuality, and will have some new tricks up his sleeve to get Henderson out "in space."
Narduzzi is quoted he did not show anything other Teams can learn from, Ashton was kept out most of Spring, Hall still hurt but will recover by August, It is really up to QB first, and if TE can be found too.
Ok...good conversation....but good as Henderson is, Pitt has a long way to go.
Yes, agree, only 5th year in the ACC Coastal, and 3rd Year for PN, and Roster needs more Players! We think alike on some things too.
Henderson is "Unanimous Consensus AA" Big Difference that is very rare.
Now if you look at last year's game statistics you'll see that Barkley had a very pedestrian 4.3 yds per carry. Of course when you look even closer, PSU's ydg. came mainly through the air, once they spotted our weakness. Even though they went away from him, Barkley still scored 5 touchdowns...yes 5.
I agree and Barkley is always a threat to score and helps the PSu Offense go, but Trace The Ace calls the shots on who is open.
Now those are Heisman type numbers. Barkley will definitely be a strong candidate for this year's Heisman.
Agree and he deserves to be a candidate with Trace.
If Henderson does what many on this board are expecting, he too will be a Heisman candidate.
I am not so sure, Pitt uses too many weapons and spreads it around and Henderson is not given the ball as much as Barkley.
But seriously, at this point in time most prognosticators in the country (other than the ones on this board LOL) see Barkley as a front runner.
And that is fair, plus Barkley scored Game Winning TDS too.
Now with that said, I'm rooting for Henderson...what concerns me the most is his size,
and ability to take the kind of punishment he's gonna take if he gets the numerous "touches" that's needed for this award. He's fast, and more importantly quicker and more allusive than Barkley.
Agree again, but Henderson doesn't get hit as much as WR Slot and when he is gone, seldom touched. If he was the featured the RB I would agree, but QH is not and Barkley was hobbled at times by being hit so much, to be fair too.
He can also return Kick offs and punts, Barkley doesn't (not because he can't, but because their coaches won't risk it).
Barkley doesn't have what Henderson has when running back kicks. QH makes quick decisions and cuts faster on Returns and very special at it. Few do it as often, not a shot at Barkley either, doesn't have it. I thought Polk would be doing it but he has not played that much either.
On the other hand, Barkley is also fast and allusive but is much stronger than Henderson and is a load to bring down.
Yes, very fair statement but is over used too, and why was injured in some games!
He's also an every down back and will give opposing defenses fits because they have to watch PSU's many other offensive weapons. We will not have the offensive weapons we had last year (Connor, Peterson, Orndoff).
True, but PSU does't play 4 Quarters either just yet? Their Boyd in Godwin went to NFL too, and must be replaced. PITT Wrs and RBS are just as good as PSU. On Pitt, up to Narduzzi and Watson to replace QB and TEthem. this has all been said before, you keep repeating what was already posted by others? But it is OK, it is still discussion on FB
I also believe the jet sweep will be less of a surprise and teams will be ready for it...as we saw towards the end of last season. I'm hoping Watson will have us prepared for that eventuality, and will have some new tricks up his sleeve to get Henderson out "in space."
Narduzzi is quoted he did not show anything other Teams can learn from, Ashton was kept out most of Spring, Hall still hurt but will recover by August, It is really up to QB first, and if TE can be found too.
Ok...good conversation....but good as Henderson is, Pitt has a long way to go.
Yes, agree, only 5th year in the ACC Coastal, and 3rd Year for PN, and Roster needs more Players! We think alike on some things too.
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So, we have two 'wasn't Nate great' posts here. Maybe you two were great supporters of him all along, but the consensus on this board for most of the past two years was that he was a mediocre, serviceable QB at best. I remember the warning by several on this board that if Peterman had to take over for Voytik, we were in big trouble, because the fans on the Tennessee board said he sucked, and of course, they knew best. Now that NFL scouts are slobbering over him, and he's projected to go as high as the second round now, he's finally starting to get some love on this board.
"Panther Parrothead, post: 1872777, member: 240"]With a kid like him, Watson needs a "Where's Waldo?" -type plan. Keep moving the kid around so that it makes it harder for the oppositions' defenses to find him. And when they do, you can bet that there's gonna be times when they over-adjust in their attempts to stop Q. That should open-up other places to attack. When an offense has as many weapons as Pitt's has, no college defense can defend against all of them. And that's where play-calling and the quarterback's ability to read defenses becomes the key.
Totally agree, and this is what OC Canada was so good at, he did not just have Great Game Plans, Prepared For Execution, but On Game Days it was when he called those Plays. It was very unpredictable and even Announcers often missed who had the Ball let alone us viewers and the opposing Players where as lost as out of their Jock Straps, and many Pitt Players scored TD without being touched!
Different, but certainly related:
About a week ago, I re-watched the Pitt-Clemson game, and I marveled at Nate Peterman's abilities as he made some crucial decisions and throws in the teeth of the Clemson pass rush. With so many Pitt players having great performances in that game, it's hard to imagine anyone's performance having a greater overall impact on the outcome of that game than Peterman's. Some of the reads and throws that he made must be knocking the socks off of the scouts (and other "talent experts") who've been watching the video -- especially when they realize that Nate was playing against what was considered one of the best defenses in the nation.
I did the same thing to prepare for Spring, Orndoff had 3 TDs too from Peterman.
Good Posts!
Totally agree, and this is what OC Canada was so good at, he did not just have Great Game Plans, Prepared For Execution, but On Game Days it was when he called those Plays. It was very unpredictable and even Announcers often missed who had the Ball let alone us viewers and the opposing Players where as lost as out of their Jock Straps, and many Pitt Players scored TD without being touched!
Different, but certainly related:
About a week ago, I re-watched the Pitt-Clemson game, and I marveled at Nate Peterman's abilities as he made some crucial decisions and throws in the teeth of the Clemson pass rush. With so many Pitt players having great performances in that game, it's hard to imagine anyone's performance having a greater overall impact on the outcome of that game than Peterman's. Some of the reads and throws that he made must be knocking the socks off of the scouts (and other "talent experts") who've been watching the video -- especially when they realize that Nate was playing against what was considered one of the best defenses in the nation.
I did the same thing to prepare for Spring, Orndoff had 3 TDs too from Peterman.
Good Posts!
AND/Or play all 3 at the Same Times! Decoys Abound! Good luck for the other defenses figuring it out who has the ball, and a one second delay will seal that fate as the watch the Pitt Players fly.
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"raleighpanther, post: 1872942, member: 4260"]So, we have two 'wasn't Nate great' posts here. Maybe you two were great supporters of him all along, but the consensus on this board for most of the past two years was that he was a mediocre, serviceable QB at best.
True! But Canda and Nate changed it, and said were in Film Rooms and talking to Haley & Big Ben a lot too!
I remember the warning by several on this board that if Peterman had to take over for Voytik, we were in big trouble, because the fans on the Tennessee board said he sucked, and of course, they knew best. Now that NFL scouts are slobbering over him, and he's projected to go as high as the second round now, he's finally starting to get some love on this board.
True again, the NFL Scouts also did not look at Nate until this year, so Nate made the most of his last year. This is one thing Max Browne does not have like Nate. Max has learn to be Great as Nate in one year?
Do you think Browne is ready and can be as Great as Nate in this just one year? I don't have a clue, but I do see a Grin on Narduzzi's Face he likes where Pitt Players are at right now!!!
True! But Canda and Nate changed it, and said were in Film Rooms and talking to Haley & Big Ben a lot too!
I remember the warning by several on this board that if Peterman had to take over for Voytik, we were in big trouble, because the fans on the Tennessee board said he sucked, and of course, they knew best. Now that NFL scouts are slobbering over him, and he's projected to go as high as the second round now, he's finally starting to get some love on this board.
True again, the NFL Scouts also did not look at Nate until this year, so Nate made the most of his last year. This is one thing Max Browne does not have like Nate. Max has learn to be Great as Nate in one year?
Do you think Browne is ready and can be as Great as Nate in this just one year? I don't have a clue, but I do see a Grin on Narduzzi's Face he likes where Pitt Players are at right now!!!
"ksquared33, post: 1872907, member: 4964"]By he same token of wanting to get the very talented Quad Henderson the ball will be Watson finding multiple ways to use Quad as a decoy & finding ways to allow some of our other less distinguished players, but very talented in their own right, the ball thus compounding the pressures on our opponents. All of a sudden Henderson becomes an even bigger threat because of the attention he commands when in fact he does not have the football. Watson will have an even greater advantage of being able to use Quad as bait thus opening up the playing field for other talents.
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Good post, and Narduzzi has improved this Pitt Team and Players every year.
In 2015, I had serious doubts until i could see his coaching but he proved he was Very Good Coach. Attitudes were changed, Players Focused playing all 4 Quarters, and Game Plans in 2015.
In 2016, my early concerns were on OC Canada and those were gone by the Penn State Game at Half Time. I know everyone is still worried about the Defense but I think the Players and Coaches really learned this year their own mistakes in last second guessing by just 1 to 2 seconds in not making those plays.
In 2017, Pitt fans are worried about again OC-QB Play, TE and LBs Experience with DLs and DBs and FG Kicker, so be it.
Still, Coach Pat looks and sounds more confident than 2015 and 2016! Pitt could be the surprised Team like USC, Penn State, OKST, and Miami was last year?
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Good post, and Narduzzi has improved this Pitt Team and Players every year.
In 2015, I had serious doubts until i could see his coaching but he proved he was Very Good Coach. Attitudes were changed, Players Focused playing all 4 Quarters, and Game Plans in 2015.
In 2016, my early concerns were on OC Canada and those were gone by the Penn State Game at Half Time. I know everyone is still worried about the Defense but I think the Players and Coaches really learned this year their own mistakes in last second guessing by just 1 to 2 seconds in not making those plays.
In 2017, Pitt fans are worried about again OC-QB Play, TE and LBs Experience with DLs and DBs and FG Kicker, so be it.
Still, Coach Pat looks and sounds more confident than 2015 and 2016! Pitt could be the surprised Team like USC, Penn State, OKST, and Miami was last year?
Ksquared33, post: 1872930, member: 4964"]Where I am very concerned w/ the new OC , QB & offense as a whole is can they be as efficient w/ the football pre snap (very few bad snaps, motion penalties, delay of game, etc., etc.)
It is every Pitt Fan Concern and we all just don't know again. all i can say is few knew if Coach Pat would be a Good head Coach in 2015, but proved it he could be, and carried over to 2016 even better.
Nate was as good in directing the offense, taking care of the football & managing a very complex & fast moving(lots of mov't's & motion)parts than I can remember a Pitt QB of doing. And I was very critical of Nate but the kid did step up as his time went on to be gamer & he always seemed to be calm under pressure. Last years overall players always seemed to be on the same page & ran all that motion offense to a very high level. If we can be anywhere close to that kind of efficiency this year we will be in great shape going forward.
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I am relying on Coach Pat & Staff has not let Pitt Down the last 2 years, and see no reason to doubt him now. Coach Pat will have Pitt improved in 2017 too! Just a Hunch!
It is every Pitt Fan Concern and we all just don't know again. all i can say is few knew if Coach Pat would be a Good head Coach in 2015, but proved it he could be, and carried over to 2016 even better.
Nate was as good in directing the offense, taking care of the football & managing a very complex & fast moving(lots of mov't's & motion)parts than I can remember a Pitt QB of doing. And I was very critical of Nate but the kid did step up as his time went on to be gamer & he always seemed to be calm under pressure. Last years overall players always seemed to be on the same page & ran all that motion offense to a very high level. If we can be anywhere close to that kind of efficiency this year we will be in great shape going forward.
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I am relying on Coach Pat & Staff has not let Pitt Down the last 2 years, and see no reason to doubt him now. Coach Pat will have Pitt improved in 2017 too! Just a Hunch!
That's my feeling also. It may be wishful thinking; but, I am not convinced that there will be a drop off of any major significance offensively from last year. And, I feel certain the defense will be significantly better. Thus overall more wins.
I agree Tipton isn't there but Ffrench is closer. Hopefully Ffrench takes the same jump in year 2 Henderson did.
Henderson runs with, not sure what to call it, maybe an abandon, though ... you don't often see it with merely "fast" guys. Sometimes it burns him when not protecting the ball but most of the time great things happen.
Believe me I am as hopeful as anyone that the team is on a build upon year to year approach but w/ college athletes/students you just never know how they will respond out on the field.
Coaches coach but it's the players who have to play the game. No coach can do it for these kids. Just saying that I am not close to trying to hold this years production on offense to last years......they need to do their own thing in their own time. Hopefully the result will be similar because I do believe we will have more overall team talent if just a little more inexperienced. Need to allow these kids to find their own footing.
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Coaches coach but it's the players who have to play the game. No coach can do it for these kids. Just saying that I am not close to trying to hold this years production on offense to last years......they need to do their own thing in their own time. Hopefully the result will be similar because I do believe we will have more overall team talent if just a little more inexperienced. Need to allow these kids to find their own footing.
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I feel the same way but there is another factor Pitt has no control over. Even if Pitt stays the same on Offense & improves on Defense, Penn State will be doing the same and Moorhead's McSorley Offense will be improving too and with be hard to beat because even if the Pitt DLs and DBs are better, the Pitt LBs all are new and that gap is not just talent, but requires experience. This time PSU could well out score Pitt even if it is just a by a point.
The one area of Hope is how Clemson was so more talented than anyone in the Big Ten and Pitt Players were up to that task, but that was Mid-Season not Early Season. So, now we must analyze the PSU Spring Game as well, next week.
All good points...for once we agree on everything LOL. I think our DLine as you pointed out,
will be a strength. DB's and LBs are new, but they IMO, are more talented than last year. The
big question is how much will the inexperience hurt us. Our DBacks can only be better.
PSU on the other hand is where we were last year relative to experience. They are experienced
with talent and leaders. McSorley is a talented, inspirational leader who is a winner. He wasn't
early last season, as shown in his performance against us. However as the season progressed, he brought his team back from several halftime deficits.
You mentioned the Clemson game. It reminded me of how much I like their coach. All he did
after the game was give us credit..no excuses about hand clapping or other such nonsense.
If posters haven't seen it, google the Clemson Pitt game highlights and post game interviews.
"Chescat, post: 1873262, member: 176"]All good points...for once we agree on everything LOL.
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I think our DLine as you pointed out, will be a strength. DB's and LBs are new, but they IMO, are more talented than last year. The big question is how much will the inexperience hurt us.
Yeah, at least in the Games 1 thru 3 is unknown. Still, Carter coming in knows about Penn State Players. In addition, Charlie Partridge knows how to prepare his Players and teach them Execution. The Penn State OL may find this group Tougher, Faster, and more Prepared than they encounter last year. I have always been high on Taleni and now CP will coach them up like he did Watts. It is the damn LB's I am worried being so young and inexperience??? CP & PN & JC will have the DL ready and I am confident of it.
Our DBacks can only be better.
Agree, again, they are older, more experience, and want to make up for last year. they will be a big surprise and could cause PSU Wideouts problems. Yet, again, the LBs may be so vulnerable to SB again. If Pitt played PSU on the 5th game I would feel better, but 2nd game is tough to have 3 new LB's ready one mistake and a TD!
PSU on the other hand is where we were last year relative to experience. They are experienced with talent and leaders. McSorley is a talented, inspirational leader who is a winner. He wasn't early last season, as shown in his performance against us. However as the season progressed, he brought his team back from several halftime deficits.
Yep, Trace Is An Ace and knows the Moorhead System and how to make the right calls during the play. It is easy to to say PSU Offense was inefficient because it was the first 2 Quarters in most games, but they only needed 2 Quarters to overcome just before and after Half Time. MCSorley will be a better leader now and may also stay for 2018 & 19.
You mentioned the Clemson game. It reminded me of how much I like their coach. All he did after the game was give us credit..no excuses about hand clapping or other such nonsense.
Again, you are so right and Dabo actually was disrespecting Narduzzi not intentionally but not making a better safe calls near the end. If they had kicked a Field Goal instead of going for a TD that Brightwell Intercepted it pretty much would have put the game away and Pitt would have to over 10+ points. When he went for the short run and Taleni broke it up that too was a mistake when QB Dashun could have made it running as well. Dabo took too many risks the last 5 minutes is my point and why he was so gracious at the end. He is truly an Elite Coach, most are from Alabama!
If posters haven't seen it, google the Clemson Pitt game highlights and post game interviews.
I put it up a few weeks ago on Palm Sunday where all Clemson YouTubes were at by a Link.
There is another thing that may forget. Pitt just lost to VT was beat up with some injuries in the Miami Game and Miami was their worst defeat last season. Yet, Coach Pat & Staff had them ready for Clemson and in a shocking prepared way on Offense that even many Pitt fans have not seen since 1980s or Pitt History? This was due to Superb Coaching Preparation and no other way to say it.
Also, Game Day Coaching Calls was superb too and surprised Clemson Coaches & Players too. They had some close class with ULou and NCS before Pitt but Pitt stood the tests that Ulou & NCS missed. Moreover, Clemson got a scare later by VT in the ACC Champ Game.
I actually think the Pitt Loss reminded Clemson how not give up against Ohio State when they made early mistakes. They just kept coming back and ended up wearing out OSU and won 31-0 learning they should have done that to Pitt!
Additionally, Clemson used the Pitt Loss to not give up against when they confronted Bama and barely won that game in the last Second like Pitt did to them. Great pPlays on that last Great Drive, Graet Calls, and then with just seconds to go went into the End Zone. Clemson was ready for it and did not make the mistakes they did against Pitt when they were stopped with 58 Seconds to go! This time, Bama learned a lesson from Clemson.
Consequently, this same type of Coaching Game Week Preparation is what I feel coach Pat & Staff will use on Franklin in the 2nd Game. If OC Canada had stayed I would not be worried whatsoever. But until I see how the Pitt Players respond to OC Watson handling the switch over with a New QB & TE and OC calling the right Offensive Plays at the right time, is the tad of the I need to see it.
Regardless, I really have a a feeling I cannot shake.....The Pitt Coaches & Players will prepare for Penn State as they did for Clemson. And even if McSorley and all of Penn State is improved as expected, they will underestimate Pitt no matter how much they want to pound them into the ground.
PSU OLs are expecting to be better, but Pitt's CP will have Pitt DLs better than expected even from last year and that will pressure McSorley & Barkley all game long not just in the First Half. On top of that, Pitt DBs will cover and tackle PSU WRs better and may cause some badly needed Turnovers to win. But I can't predict the level of Pitt LBs Experience and Inexperience??? I played LB, it requires so much more experience to know how to work together to cover the run, pass, and blitz, and it takes time to gel if all are new. One letdown and it is touchdown. Three mistakes by all 3 at different times and it 3 TDS.
Penn State really wants to beats Pitt and Michigan in 2017 and not just by a little. Still, I think Coach Pat knows it and knows something none of us know right now, Just a Hunch!
We shall see?
No, we think more alike, when i leave it is good to know you still be here and know about the other Teams Pitt will be playing. I appreciate the discussions on FB.
I think our DLine as you pointed out, will be a strength. DB's and LBs are new, but they IMO, are more talented than last year. The big question is how much will the inexperience hurt us.
Yeah, at least in the Games 1 thru 3 is unknown. Still, Carter coming in knows about Penn State Players. In addition, Charlie Partridge knows how to prepare his Players and teach them Execution. The Penn State OL may find this group Tougher, Faster, and more Prepared than they encounter last year. I have always been high on Taleni and now CP will coach them up like he did Watts. It is the damn LB's I am worried being so young and inexperience??? CP & PN & JC will have the DL ready and I am confident of it.
Our DBacks can only be better.
Agree, again, they are older, more experience, and want to make up for last year. they will be a big surprise and could cause PSU Wideouts problems. Yet, again, the LBs may be so vulnerable to SB again. If Pitt played PSU on the 5th game I would feel better, but 2nd game is tough to have 3 new LB's ready one mistake and a TD!
PSU on the other hand is where we were last year relative to experience. They are experienced with talent and leaders. McSorley is a talented, inspirational leader who is a winner. He wasn't early last season, as shown in his performance against us. However as the season progressed, he brought his team back from several halftime deficits.
Yep, Trace Is An Ace and knows the Moorhead System and how to make the right calls during the play. It is easy to to say PSU Offense was inefficient because it was the first 2 Quarters in most games, but they only needed 2 Quarters to overcome just before and after Half Time. MCSorley will be a better leader now and may also stay for 2018 & 19.
You mentioned the Clemson game. It reminded me of how much I like their coach. All he did after the game was give us credit..no excuses about hand clapping or other such nonsense.
Again, you are so right and Dabo actually was disrespecting Narduzzi not intentionally but not making a better safe calls near the end. If they had kicked a Field Goal instead of going for a TD that Brightwell Intercepted it pretty much would have put the game away and Pitt would have to over 10+ points. When he went for the short run and Taleni broke it up that too was a mistake when QB Dashun could have made it running as well. Dabo took too many risks the last 5 minutes is my point and why he was so gracious at the end. He is truly an Elite Coach, most are from Alabama!
If posters haven't seen it, google the Clemson Pitt game highlights and post game interviews.
I put it up a few weeks ago on Palm Sunday where all Clemson YouTubes were at by a Link.
There is another thing that may forget. Pitt just lost to VT was beat up with some injuries in the Miami Game and Miami was their worst defeat last season. Yet, Coach Pat & Staff had them ready for Clemson and in a shocking prepared way on Offense that even many Pitt fans have not seen since 1980s or Pitt History? This was due to Superb Coaching Preparation and no other way to say it.
Also, Game Day Coaching Calls was superb too and surprised Clemson Coaches & Players too. They had some close class with ULou and NCS before Pitt but Pitt stood the tests that Ulou & NCS missed. Moreover, Clemson got a scare later by VT in the ACC Champ Game.
I actually think the Pitt Loss reminded Clemson how not give up against Ohio State when they made early mistakes. They just kept coming back and ended up wearing out OSU and won 31-0 learning they should have done that to Pitt!
Additionally, Clemson used the Pitt Loss to not give up against when they confronted Bama and barely won that game in the last Second like Pitt did to them. Great pPlays on that last Great Drive, Graet Calls, and then with just seconds to go went into the End Zone. Clemson was ready for it and did not make the mistakes they did against Pitt when they were stopped with 58 Seconds to go! This time, Bama learned a lesson from Clemson.
Consequently, this same type of Coaching Game Week Preparation is what I feel coach Pat & Staff will use on Franklin in the 2nd Game. If OC Canada had stayed I would not be worried whatsoever. But until I see how the Pitt Players respond to OC Watson handling the switch over with a New QB & TE and OC calling the right Offensive Plays at the right time, is the tad of the I need to see it.
Regardless, I really have a a feeling I cannot shake.....The Pitt Coaches & Players will prepare for Penn State as they did for Clemson. And even if McSorley and all of Penn State is improved as expected, they will underestimate Pitt no matter how much they want to pound them into the ground.
PSU OLs are expecting to be better, but Pitt's CP will have Pitt DLs better than expected even from last year and that will pressure McSorley & Barkley all game long not just in the First Half. On top of that, Pitt DBs will cover and tackle PSU WRs better and may cause some badly needed Turnovers to win. But I can't predict the level of Pitt LBs Experience and Inexperience??? I played LB, it requires so much more experience to know how to work together to cover the run, pass, and blitz, and it takes time to gel if all are new. One letdown and it is touchdown. Three mistakes by all 3 at different times and it 3 TDS.
Penn State really wants to beats Pitt and Michigan in 2017 and not just by a little. Still, I think Coach Pat knows it and knows something none of us know right now, Just a Hunch!
We shall see?
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It will be either Pearl Harbor For Pitt at Beaver with a Penn State Big Win playing all 4 Quarters as expected in 2017.
Or Midway for Pitt whereby Pitt does the unexpected. Penn State Coaches and Players will expect so early that the Pitt Players to be are still unprepared and outnumbered in Star Recruits Powers. If Pitt can lure Penn State Players into Over Confidence can be defeated
Franklin knows that Coach Narduzzi is courageous, tough-minded and not afraid of risks, but Moorhead could will turn these strengths against him. Penn State is at Home waiting for Pitt and in a better position, at least a 3-to-1 superiority in 4 & 5 Stars Players, and Pitt is replacing 9 Starters from 2016.
If Penn State gets off to a 14-0 early start it could crippled and put Pitt on the defensive while Pitt's own remaining strength on Offense starts to makes mistakes and can achieve a great victory, providing Narduzzi & Watson do exactly what Franklin & Staff expects and PSU Players execute?
Still, if Narduzzi does another Clemson Surprise on Franklin & Moorhead catching where they're 's not expecting Pitt DLs, LBs, and DBs, Pitt can drive him back and keep McSorley pinned till Pitt can take him on in his own front line making him second guess himself into mistakes.
Pitt Game Week Planning will have some experienced since Pitt Defense the last 2 years has played and learn against Navy, Georgia Tech Twice, Virginia, Clemson, Oklahoma State, Penn State and Northwestern's Multiple Spread going 5-3 all close games except Navy.
Playing so early will give Penn State supremacy no doubt. Coach Pat & Staff must prepare the inexperience Pitt Players to know when and from where McSorley is at all time and predict what he's going to know to adapt from their original calls from last year... but if they can provide that kind of surprise Pitt will be out clawed.
Pitt will have to a Midway Bushwhack Victory for Pitt to Win. Whereby, Fans will be shaking their heads and muttering Franklin & Moorhead had everything going for them, power, experience, confidence... were we better than the Nittany Lions, or Panthers just luckier again, like last year?
Who runs the spread offense? 48 teams! In 2009!
The spread offense is seemingly reaching new heights each season. Below is a list of schools that run the spread or a version of the spread at least 75 percent of time.
ACC
Clemson: Spread
Georgia Tech: Triple-option spread
Virginia: Spread
Big 12
Oklahoma State: Spread passing offense
Big Ten
Northwestern: Multiple spread
Penn State: Spread HD
MAC
Akron: Spread/Multiple
SEC
Vanderbilt: Multiple spread
LINK:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=4327427
College Football Teams Who Will Have Brand New Offenses in 2016
Results:
Pittsburgh 8-5
Pat Narduzzi is a defensive-minded head coach, so he’s going to want to limit turnovers and run the ball. But it’s clear that by tapping Matt Canada to replace Jim Chaney as offensive coordinator, he is looking to open things up a bit when it comes to the offense. That is not to say, with both Qadree Ollison and the hopefully healthy James Conner in the fold at tailback, the Panthers will abandon a run-first philosophy but Canada has proved to be innovative when it comes to moving the quarterback around and incorporating a downfield passing game. The new OC did a great job with Jacoby Brissett at N.C. State, and Narduzzi is clearly hoping he can replicate some of that success with Nathan Peterman under center in 2016. Expect more shotgun formations and four-wide looks than Pitt has run in the past, but this is still going to be a team that runs the ball and does so very well.
Virginia Tech 10-4
Virginia 2-10
Penn State 11-2
Penn State is one of those teams who will undergo an offensive transition to a new look in 2016 in two ways. The first is obviously personnel-driven following the departure of blue-chip quarterback Christian Hackenberg and the transfer of former starting running back Akeel Lynch. The departure of the strong-armed signal-caller in particular changes the team from one being built around one player to one that will be featuring a more diverse cast. Adding to that is the systematic changes that James Franklin is implementing. He made the bold move of bringing in Fordham head coach Joe Moorhead as his new offensive coordinator in large part to implement a new version of the spread offense in State College. While the team will no doubt be spreading things out on the field, a strong run game has been the basis of Moorhead’s teams in the past and that likely means a perfect fit for terrific running back Saquon Barkley. It’s going to a very different offense that takes the field for the Nittany Lions in 2016 but as any fan could tell you after watching some of the struggles the past few seasons, that’s probably a good thing.
Maryland 6-7
Rutgers 2-10
BIG-12
Iowa State 3-9
Texas 5-7
PAC-12:
California 5-7
UCLA 4-8
SEC:
Missouri 4-8
South Carolina 6-7
Texas A&M 8-5
AAU:
Central Florida 6-7
East Carolina 3-9
Tulane 4-8
MTNW:
Hawaii 7-7
LINK:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...eams-who-will-have-brand-new-offenses-in-2016
How college football defenses are gaining on offenses
2016:
For years, spread-based and no-huddle offenses have dictated the tempo of games, the flow of action and, far more often than not, the final result. The Southeastern Conference was hesitant to fully embrace the movement, but even that changed: Alabama, among others, embraced a quicker style, needing a more potent offensive attack to maintain its perch atop the sport. “I still think the spread is a difficult offense,” said Alabama coach Nick Saban. “But I think the rules of college football favor the offense, favor the no-huddle.” Yet as teams prepare for September, defenses across college football have taken steps toward closing the gap. Repetition, increased familiarity, tweaked personnel packages and increased communication have helped to turn back time — offenses still rule, but more so than at any point in the last decade, defenses can hold their heads high................
LINK:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ense-vs-defense-in-college-football/89253348/
Or Midway for Pitt whereby Pitt does the unexpected. Penn State Coaches and Players will expect so early that the Pitt Players to be are still unprepared and outnumbered in Star Recruits Powers. If Pitt can lure Penn State Players into Over Confidence can be defeated
Franklin knows that Coach Narduzzi is courageous, tough-minded and not afraid of risks, but Moorhead could will turn these strengths against him. Penn State is at Home waiting for Pitt and in a better position, at least a 3-to-1 superiority in 4 & 5 Stars Players, and Pitt is replacing 9 Starters from 2016.
If Penn State gets off to a 14-0 early start it could crippled and put Pitt on the defensive while Pitt's own remaining strength on Offense starts to makes mistakes and can achieve a great victory, providing Narduzzi & Watson do exactly what Franklin & Staff expects and PSU Players execute?
Still, if Narduzzi does another Clemson Surprise on Franklin & Moorhead catching where they're 's not expecting Pitt DLs, LBs, and DBs, Pitt can drive him back and keep McSorley pinned till Pitt can take him on in his own front line making him second guess himself into mistakes.
Pitt Game Week Planning will have some experienced since Pitt Defense the last 2 years has played and learn against Navy, Georgia Tech Twice, Virginia, Clemson, Oklahoma State, Penn State and Northwestern's Multiple Spread going 5-3 all close games except Navy.
Playing so early will give Penn State supremacy no doubt. Coach Pat & Staff must prepare the inexperience Pitt Players to know when and from where McSorley is at all time and predict what he's going to know to adapt from their original calls from last year... but if they can provide that kind of surprise Pitt will be out clawed.
Pitt will have to a Midway Bushwhack Victory for Pitt to Win. Whereby, Fans will be shaking their heads and muttering Franklin & Moorhead had everything going for them, power, experience, confidence... were we better than the Nittany Lions, or Panthers just luckier again, like last year?
Who runs the spread offense? 48 teams! In 2009!
The spread offense is seemingly reaching new heights each season. Below is a list of schools that run the spread or a version of the spread at least 75 percent of time.
ACC
Clemson: Spread
Georgia Tech: Triple-option spread
Virginia: Spread
Big 12
Oklahoma State: Spread passing offense
Big Ten
Northwestern: Multiple spread
Penn State: Spread HD
MAC
Akron: Spread/Multiple
SEC
Vanderbilt: Multiple spread
LINK:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=4327427
College Football Teams Who Will Have Brand New Offenses in 2016
Results:
Pittsburgh 8-5
Pat Narduzzi is a defensive-minded head coach, so he’s going to want to limit turnovers and run the ball. But it’s clear that by tapping Matt Canada to replace Jim Chaney as offensive coordinator, he is looking to open things up a bit when it comes to the offense. That is not to say, with both Qadree Ollison and the hopefully healthy James Conner in the fold at tailback, the Panthers will abandon a run-first philosophy but Canada has proved to be innovative when it comes to moving the quarterback around and incorporating a downfield passing game. The new OC did a great job with Jacoby Brissett at N.C. State, and Narduzzi is clearly hoping he can replicate some of that success with Nathan Peterman under center in 2016. Expect more shotgun formations and four-wide looks than Pitt has run in the past, but this is still going to be a team that runs the ball and does so very well.
Virginia Tech 10-4
Virginia 2-10
Penn State 11-2
Penn State is one of those teams who will undergo an offensive transition to a new look in 2016 in two ways. The first is obviously personnel-driven following the departure of blue-chip quarterback Christian Hackenberg and the transfer of former starting running back Akeel Lynch. The departure of the strong-armed signal-caller in particular changes the team from one being built around one player to one that will be featuring a more diverse cast. Adding to that is the systematic changes that James Franklin is implementing. He made the bold move of bringing in Fordham head coach Joe Moorhead as his new offensive coordinator in large part to implement a new version of the spread offense in State College. While the team will no doubt be spreading things out on the field, a strong run game has been the basis of Moorhead’s teams in the past and that likely means a perfect fit for terrific running back Saquon Barkley. It’s going to a very different offense that takes the field for the Nittany Lions in 2016 but as any fan could tell you after watching some of the struggles the past few seasons, that’s probably a good thing.
Maryland 6-7
Rutgers 2-10
BIG-12
Iowa State 3-9
Texas 5-7
PAC-12:
California 5-7
UCLA 4-8
SEC:
Missouri 4-8
South Carolina 6-7
Texas A&M 8-5
AAU:
Central Florida 6-7
East Carolina 3-9
Tulane 4-8
MTNW:
Hawaii 7-7
LINK:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...eams-who-will-have-brand-new-offenses-in-2016
How college football defenses are gaining on offenses
2016:
For years, spread-based and no-huddle offenses have dictated the tempo of games, the flow of action and, far more often than not, the final result. The Southeastern Conference was hesitant to fully embrace the movement, but even that changed: Alabama, among others, embraced a quicker style, needing a more potent offensive attack to maintain its perch atop the sport. “I still think the spread is a difficult offense,” said Alabama coach Nick Saban. “But I think the rules of college football favor the offense, favor the no-huddle.” Yet as teams prepare for September, defenses across college football have taken steps toward closing the gap. Repetition, increased familiarity, tweaked personnel packages and increased communication have helped to turn back time — offenses still rule, but more so than at any point in the last decade, defenses can hold their heads high................
LINK:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ense-vs-defense-in-college-football/89253348/
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Bleacher report did a quick synopsis of the most clutch players of 2016. Bark was second. From bleacher:
In situations where the score was either tied or the margin no more than seven points, Barkley got 173 carries and registered a first down 37 times with a per-carry average of 5.18 (only slightly below his 5.50 season average). And after halftime is when Barkley did most of his damage, averaging 6.28 yards per rush in the third and fourth quarters or overtime with 10 rushing TDs. He also had all four of his receiving scores in the second half, getting in on McSorley's 18 second-half passing TDs.
No one is selling Barkley short in anyway, he is a Heisman Candidate, Big Ten Conference Leader, 4 star Super Recruits and Pitt Respects him because he earned it.
At the same time, Hederson at Pitt like most Pitt Players is dismissed not as good by Penn Staters and they get upset if anyone dares question any PSU Players and seldom praise another Teams Players.
The Post Season Stats, Awards, and Early Season Projections praise both Players! Both will make the upcoming game a joy to watch. PSU will be favored due to having a Superb Team!
Don't sell yourself short in Post #1!
Not sure how I was selling myself short there. But yeah man I wasn't selling Q short either. I know he's elusive, quick and can break the big one. But posters saying Q is better than Bark is throwing some serious shade. Both are good, and Barkley performed when his performance was most needed. Looking forward to the fall!
Should clarify, you're not selling him short. Others were.
Q was better as seen as named to First Team Unanimous Consensus All American, played Wideout, and All Purpose Stats slightly higher. Q was a 3 Star recruit!
Barkley was a Consensus All American scored more TDs and played as the feature Running Back and kept Defenses back on their heels and took way more hits. Everyone new he was a 4 Recruit!
Pitt always had the Higher Quality Players in NCAA & NFL Records & Awards History and Penn State has more Winning Teams and Higher Recruiting.
This will happen on both Boards, PITT and PSU and WVU Fans are suppose to dislike each other like Jackie Sherrill once said, but I enjoy good football and can respect all of them.
McSorley really knows the Moorhead Offense and it was Franklin that brought Trace in and played him, I really enjoyed watching him and he makes PSU go better than Barkley.
Both Bark & Quad will be fun to watch.
Not sure what recruiting had to do with anything here. Bark was a 3 star on 24/7 for a long while too. Not saying any program can't do big things with 3 stars. But again not knocking Q. It's like JT Barrett...guy can kill it against meh competition but struggled against superior overall competition. Kinda like Q against Clemson. Congrats on that win btw tho, good look for the program. But on Bark, he's always shown up (even in a drubbing at the Shoe two years ago), sans Michigan this year in which no one did.
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