What are the expectations for the program now?

[Sean Miller Fan]

Are we reset to Year 1?

21-22: 7-13
22-23: NIT
23-24: sneak into NCAAT?

Should it take 6 years to get to the NCAAT in a sport that requires just a few impact players?

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Yes yr 1, maybe 2. Expecting mostly brutal.

 

[DT_PITT]

Are we reset to Year 1?

21-22: 7-13
22-23: NIT
23-24: sneak into NCAAT?

Should it take 6 years to get to the NCAAT in a sport that requires just a few impact players?

I really don't care if it take 6 years to get the the NCAAT as long as we actually get there.

At the moment, the 7-13 record in the ACC for this coming year is considered by many to be less than likely.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Are we reset to Year 1?

21-22: 7-13
22-23: NIT
23-24: sneak into NCAAT?

Should it take 6 years to get to the NCAAT in a sport that requires just a few impact players?

I guess I want to know what the consequences of not meeting those expectations in years 1 and 2 are, because it ain't happening.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I really don't care if it take 6 years to get the the NCAAT as long as we actually get there.

At the moment, the 7-13 record in the ACC for this coming year is considered by many to be less than likely.

Right. I agree 7-13 and NIT next year seem unlikely. So what are the expectations? This is Year 4 and we will likely be no better than Year 1.

Is this acceptable?
21-22: 4-16
22-23: 7-13
23-24: NIT
24-25: NCAA

7 years to get to the NCAA Tournament? The only coach I'm aware of that got 7 years without getting to the NCAAT was Pat Chambers

 

[DT_PITT]

I guess I want to know what the consequences of not meeting those expectations in years 1 and 2 are, because it ain't happening.

To your point, what will it mean if Pitt doesn't exceed 6 ACC wins this year? Four years with 21 wins in the ACC max would be very discouraging (and troubling) numbers. If we go 6-14 in conference this year, that means a 21-53 record over 4 years (.284 win %). And that's if we indeed get to 6 wins. One could say there is little difference between 5-6 wins and 7-8 wins, but it's almost as if we need to show at least some kind of progress this coming year. Going down that road, let's say we go 5-15 in the ACC or even 4-16, what would make us think the NIT is the cards for next year. I like Mintz as a recruit a great deal, but he doesn't appear to be that kind of instant impact difference making freshman.

I certainly understand why someone like yourself feels "it ain't happening" and as I've said before, I'm not trying to make any bold predictions thinking it will. But for no other reason than "why not?," I'd just rather see what happens this year before getting definitive about consequences.

 

[Vader_Storm]

To your point, what will it mean if Pitt doesn't exceed 6 ACC wins this year? Four years with 21 wins in the ACC max would be very discouraging (and troubling) numbers. If we go 6-14 in conference this year, that means a 21-53 record over 4 years (.284 win %). And that's if we indeed get to 6 wins. One could say there is little difference between 5-6 wins and 7-8 wins, but it's almost as if we need to show at least some kind of progress this coming year. Going down that road, let's say we go 5-15 in the ACC or even 4-16, what would make us think the NIT is the cards for next year. I like Mintz as a recruit a great deal, but he doesn't appear to be that kind of instant impact difference making freshman.

I certainly understand why someone like yourself feels "it ain't happening" and as I've said before, I'm not trying to make any bold predictions thinking it will. But for no other reason than "why not?," I'd just rather see what happens this year before getting definitive about consequences.

Im going to say the same thing I said months ago in that I expect major breakouts from Femi and Big John this year and I expect both of them to be two of the top breakout players in the entire ACC conference this year. With a legit point guard and legit center, those are the 2 big building blocks of the future that need to breakout this year for future success. I also expect Judah Mintz to start from day 1 next year and I think he is going to make a substantial impact immediately on offense and on defense from day 1. He is still substantially underrated nationally.

I also maintain I think this current team will exceed preseason expectations.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

To your point, what will it mean if Pitt doesn't exceed 6 ACC wins this year? Four years with 21 wins in the ACC max would be very discouraging (and troubling) numbers. If we go 6-14 in conference this year, that means a 21-53 record over 4 years (.284 win %). And that's if we indeed get to 6 wins. One could say there is little difference between 5-6 wins and 7-8 wins, but it's almost as if we need to show at least some kind of progress this coming year. Going down that road, let's say we go 5-15 in the ACC or even 4-16, what would make us think the NIT is the cards for next year. I like Mintz as a recruit a great deal, but he doesn't appear to be that kind of instant impact difference making freshman.

I certainly understand why someone like yourself feels "it ain't happening" and as I've said before, I'm not trying to make any bold predictions thinking it will. But for no other reason than "why not?," I'd just rather see what happens this year before getting definitive about consequences.

I think Pitt has to win enough games (like 7) to make us believe the NIT is possible next year. If this team only wins 3 or 4 ACC games, its a sign that the NCAAT is a long way off and if it takes any coach 7,8,10 years to reach an NCAAT at any school, that's a sign that you dont have the right coach

 

[whirlybird optio]

Im going to say the same thing I said months ago in that I expect major breakouts from Femi and Big John this year and I expect both of them to be two of the top breakout players in the entire ACC conference this year. With a legit point guard and legit center, those are the 2 big building blocks of the future that need to breakout this year for future success. I also expect Judah Mintz to start from day 1 next year and I think he is going to make a substantial impact immediately on offense and on defense from day 1. He is still substantially underrated nationally.

I also maintain I think this current team will exceed preseason expectations.

It would be pretty hard for this team to fall short of preseason expectations, considering they are going to be picked 14th of 15 teams in the ACC. So, exceeding them and finishing 7th or 8th...ok, we got something. Finishing 12th or 13th...no one will care, nor should they.

 

[whirlybird optio]

To your point, what will it mean if Pitt doesn't exceed 6 ACC wins this year? Four years with 21 wins in the ACC max would be very discouraging (and troubling) numbers. If we go 6-14 in conference this year, that means a 21-53 record over 4 years (.284 win %). And that's if we indeed get to 6 wins. One could say there is little difference between 5-6 wins and 7-8 wins, but it's almost as if we need to show at least some kind of progress this coming year. Going down that road, let's say we go 5-15 in the ACC or even 4-16, what would make us think the NIT is the cards for next year. I like Mintz as a recruit a great deal, but he doesn't appear to be that kind of instant impact difference making freshman.

I certainly understand why someone like yourself feels "it ain't happening" and as I've said before, I'm not trying to make any bold predictions thinking it will. But for no other reason than "why not?," I'd just rather see what happens this year before getting definitive about consequences.

I guess I want to know how bad does this year have to get before we cut bait. Would 4 and 16, with 2 wins over BC be enough?

 

[whirlybird optio]

Right. I agree 7-13 and NIT next year seem unlikely. So what are the expectations? This is Year 4 and we will likely be no better than Year 1.

Is this acceptable?
21-22: 4-16
22-23: 7-13
23-24: NIT
24-25: NCAA

7 years to get to the NCAA Tournament? The only coach I'm aware of that got 7 years without getting to the NCAAT was Pat Chambers

Acceptable, no. Not in the slightest, and I can't imagine he would get a 23-24, or maybe (but less likely) a 22-23 with those records.

The time to produce is now. He can't just reset the clock because his prior classes have all fallen apart without winning anything.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I guess I want to know how bad does this year have to get before we cut bait. Would 4 and 16, with 2 wins over BC be enough?

Well, it depends on the recruiting class. If he had a fantastic class lined up, he can go 0-20. If the class is ho-hum like it probably will be, he gets 22-23 unless this year is disastrous. 3-17 guarantees him next year. 2-18 is questionable.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Acceptable, no. Not in the slightest, and I can't imagine he would get a 23-24, or maybe (but less likely) a 22-23 with those records.

The time to produce is now. He can't just reset the clock because his prior classes have all fallen apart without winning anything.

I don't count the 2018 class because the program was in shambles and Capel had a few months at most to take any half decent player he could get to make Pitt competitive with zero time on proper relationship building and scouting. Dan Hurley got the job the same time at Uconn. Hurley got 1 player in 2018 who was a bust too in the same time frame as Capel.


The most important question is, are the players significantly improving that are in the system for at least one year. Femi, Big John, Jeffress, Horton, Collier, Max. Are these players clearly better than a year ago is the key question. Whether some want to admit it or not, Champ improved at Pitt to get to the NBA, Toney improved, X improved, Mcgowens is the same bust at Nebraska as he was at Pitt that didn't improve at all including under a new coach.

Are the core players in the system improving or are they stagnant. The efficiency numbers at years end will tell the story if the program is turning around for the better. If the core returning players show significant growth, the future outlook looks significantly better regardless of the win loss record as long as the team is very competitive in most games. In other words, how many pieces are we away from getting back in the NCAA's again. The efficiency metrics will show it at seasons end.

 

[DT_PITT]

Im going to say the same thing I said months ago in that I expect major breakouts from Femi and Big John this year and I expect both of them to be two of the top breakout players in the entire ACC conference this year. With a legit point guard and legit center, those are the 2 big building blocks of the future that need to breakout this year for future success. I also expect Judah Mintz to start from day 1 next year and I think he is going to make a substantial impact immediately on offense and on defense from day 1. He is still substantially underrated nationally.

I also maintain I think this current team will exceed preseason expectations.

I appreciate the thought. But while everything you are saying could be true, we still need to measure things in wins and losses. Preseason prediction will have us at 13-14 in the league, which is quite discouraging on it's own. We've never finished better that #12 since Capel has been here. Heck, we haven't finish better that #12 since 2015-2016. I think we need to finished at the very least at #11 (or better) before we can even use the words exceeding expectations.

 

[Vader_Storm]

I appreciate the thought. But while everything you are saying could be true, we still need to measure things in wins and losses. Preseason prediction will have us at 13-14 in the league, which is quite discouraging on it's own. We've never finished better that #12 since Capel has been here. Heck, we haven't finish better that #12 since 2015-2016. I think we need to finished at the very least at #11 (or better) before we can even use the words exceeding expectations.

A hypothetical, ok.

Notre Dame last year

7 conference wins. 11th place ACC finish
85th place on pomeroy final rankings last year
6 players returning with a minimum of 95+ ORTG offensive power rating ( 8 generally needed for NCAA's)
2 new players that should impact them giving them 8 rotation pieces needed for a potential NCAA bid

Notre Dame is a preseason Top 30-40ish team everywhere.


If Pitt does something near this ( lets say Top 80-100 pomeroy finish at years end) and only gets lets say 6 conference wins, yet we have 6 players returning that are 95+ ORTG or close to it all returning at seasons end with Mintz coming in, that puts us much closer to where we want to be going into the following year. And what that would show is true player growth and development even without a certain wins number met.

 

[pittchagg]

I tend to agree with the thought that Mintz is primed to step in and fill Sibande's role when he's gone next year.

I also don't see any circumstance outside of a Stallings-type disaster that would result in Pitt firing Capel this year. And I very much don't see that happening.

I'm looking for competitiveness and cohesiveness this year. I'm looking to see a roster that looks like they enjoy playing together and that gets better (or at least doesn't get worse) as the season goes on. I'd love to see that result in a middle of the pack place in the standings, but I'd rather the team look solid and cohesive and win 6 games than have another situation where we start the conference schedule going 6-1 and finish 1-12 with the roster imploding.

 

[Ski11585]

Im going to say the same thing I said months ago in that I expect major breakouts from Femi and Big John this year and I expect both of them to be two of the top breakout players in the entire ACC conference this year. With a legit point guard and legit center, those are the 2 big building blocks of the future that need to breakout this year for future success. I also expect Judah Mintz to start from day 1 next year and I think he is going to make a substantial impact immediately on offense and on defense from day 1. He is still substantially underrated nationally.

I also maintain I think this current team will exceed preseason expectations.

Femi's already 20. I imagine if he has the type of breakout season you're suggesting he's likely to go pro.

 

[Vader_Storm]

A hypothetical, ok.

Notre Dame last year

7 conference wins. 11th place ACC finish
85th place on pomeroy final rankings last year
6 players returning with a minimum of 95+ ORTG offensive power rating ( 8 generally needed for NCAA's)
2 new players that should impact them giving them 8 rotation pieces needed for a potential NCAA bid

Notre Dame is a preseason Top 30-40ish team everywhere.


If Pitt does something near this ( lets say Top 80-100 pomeroy finish at years end) and only gets lets say 6 conference wins, yet we have 6 players returning that are 95+ ORTG or close to it all returning at seasons end with Mintz coming in, that puts us much closer to where we want to be going into the following year. And what that would show is true player growth and development even without a certain wins number met.

Last year's ORTG metrics of the core including Burton at Texas Tech

Femi- 95
Horton-104
Burton- 94
Hugley- 87
Collier- 87
Jeffress-79
Max-61

Sibande and Gueye are gone after this year so they are not included. I think Hugley will be close if not exceeding 100+. We need 2 more players on the roster to step up.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Femi's already 20. I imagine if he has the type of breakout season you're suggesting he's likely to go pro.

I think these are within range and doable and what I want to see

Femi

12ppg
5apg
2-1 assist to turnover ratio
ORTG-105-115+

Big John

8+ ppg
6 rpg
2 apg
ORTG- 100+

Horton

8-10ppg
2-1 assist to turnover ratio
ORTG- 105-115+

Burton

6ppg
2-1 assist to turnover ratio
ORTG- 95-105

Again, that leaves 2 more needed to step up outside Sibande and Gueye to put us on a solid path for the year after. These 4 should have a good year.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Whether Pitt wins 7,8,9 or double digits ACC games this yr is irrelevant to me . Of course I want them to win as many games as possible, but I really want to see their younger guys improve to the point were adding a guy like Mintz and hopefully one more impactful addition makes them really competitive .Once that happens it will be much easier to recruit better players .

 

[whirlybird optio]

A hypothetical, ok.

Notre Dame last year

7 conference wins. 11th place ACC finish
85th place on pomeroy final rankings last year
6 players returning with a minimum of 95+ ORTG offensive power rating ( 8 generally needed for NCAA's)
2 new players that should impact them giving them 8 rotation pieces needed for a potential NCAA bid

Notre Dame is a preseason Top 30-40ish team everywhere.


If Pitt does something near this ( lets say Top 80-100 pomeroy finish at years end) and only gets lets say 6 conference wins, yet we have 6 players returning that are 95+ ORTG or close to it all returning at seasons end with Mintz coming in, that puts us much closer to where we want to be going into the following year. And what that would show is true player growth and development even without a certain wins number met.

Sure, that timeline works. 6-7 ACC wins this year, NCAA expectations next year. Anything below that, this year or next, Capel should be gone.

we go 4-16, fire him. We go 6-14 or 7-13 this year, but don’t make the NCAA tournament in year 5, fire him.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Well, it depends on the recruiting class. If he had a fantastic class lined up, he can go 0-20. If the class is ho-hum like it probably will be, he gets 22-23 unless this year is disastrous. 3-17 guarantees him next year. 2-18 is questionable.

I agree, he needs to land two more impact players for next year along with Mintz. That will give him a lot more wiggle room. I don’t know if 4-16 guarantees him another year with another mediocre class coming in…

 

[NTOP]

I appreciate the thought. But while everything you are saying could be true, we still need to measure things in wins and losses. Preseason prediction will have us at 13-14 in the league, which is quite discouraging on it's own. We've never finished better that #12 since Capel has been here. Heck, we haven't finish better that #12 since 2015-2016. I think we need to finished at the very least at #11 (or better) before we can even use the words exceeding expectations.

I'm tired of excuses. His late 2021 season mess basically put him at worse than his second year, talent wise. The transfers should make a difference, but legit new blood arriving next summer is a must.

 

[BTisinDC]

Right. I agree 7-13 and NIT next year seem unlikely. So what are the expectations? This is Year 4 and we will likely be no better than Year 1.

Is this acceptable?
21-22: 4-16
22-23: 7-13
23-24: NIT
24-25: NCAA

7 years to get to the NCAA Tournament? The only coach I'm aware of that got 7 years without getting to the NCAAT was Pat Chambers

Seems like you should be more aware than that, pretty sure you've praised Leonard Hamilton in the past. He may have even done it twice.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Seems like you should be more aware than that, pretty sure you've praised Leonard Hamilton in the past. He may have even done it twice.

It did take Hamilton 7 years to reach the NCAAT at Miami and FSU but out of hundreds of coaches, I believe he and Chambers are the only ones. And at Miami, he took over literally a new program, who hadn't had a team from 1971-1985. He at least managed to get them to the NIT in Years 4 and 6.

At FSU, he made the NIT in Years 2, 4, 5, and 6. Capel is likely to miss the NIT in each of his first 5 seasons. Again, I am not aware of any other coach to do that and get a 6th besides Pat Chambers.

 

[Chescat]

Preseason prediction will have us at 13-14 in the league, which is quite discouraging on it's own. We've never finished better that #12 since Capel has been here.

These are unfortunate but
accurate facts, and there's
not that much at face value
that suggests much of a change.
We are in the bottom third of
the league. BC, Pitt, and WF
are the very bottom. The few
teams ahead of us in that
bottom third are not great.
We will have to win a few of
those to even approach 6-7
wins. It's impossible to gauge
at this point until we actually
see our players in real game
time.

Even the non league games will
be challenging. We have 11 OOC
games which include St. John's,
Minnesota, WVU, and Vanderbuilt.
More than 7 wins there??

I obviously haven't seen us in
real time, so I ain't predicting
wins and losses at this point.
I do believe we'll be better than
the team that ended the season.
How much better??......We'll see.

 

[tps48]

Are we reset to Year 1?

21-22: 7-13
22-23: NIT
23-24: sneak into NCAAT?

Should it take 6 years to get to the NCAAT in a sport that requires just a few impact players?

My expectation is continued disappointment.

 

[DT_PITT]

A hypothetical, ok.

Notre Dame last year

7 conference wins. 11th place ACC finish
85th place on pomeroy final rankings last year
6 players returning with a minimum of 95+ ORTG offensive power rating ( 8 generally needed for NCAA's)
2 new players that should impact them giving them 8 rotation pieces needed for a potential NCAA bid

Notre Dame is a preseason Top 30-40ish team everywhere.


If Pitt does something near this ( lets say Top 80-100 pomeroy finish at years end) and only gets lets say 6 conference wins, yet we have 6 players returning that are 95+ ORTG or close to it all returning at seasons end with Mintz coming in, that puts us much closer to where we want to be going into the following year. And what that would show is true player growth and development even without a certain wins number met.

I appreciate your attempts at a positive outlook backed up with some numbers. Allow me to suggest that if we finish 6-14 as opposed to ND's 7-11 last year, the chances are a little less likely our Pomeroy will end up better than 100.) Two years ago, when we finished 6-14 (and 9-2 OOC, our Pomeroy) was 111.

Still, to your hypothetical, if for some reason we somehow go 6-14 with a Pomeroy in the 80-90 range, that would simply mean we would be losing lots of tough close games. And I suspect many on here could live with that to some extent, provided Capel continues to add to Mintz for next year's class. The problem with the 6-14 two years ago is that we started the ACC at 6-7 and tanked our last 7 games by an average of 13 points.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Still, to your hypothetical, if for some reason we somehow go 6-14 with a Pomeroy in the 80-90 range, that would simply mean we would be losing lots of tough close games. And I suspect many on here could live with that to some extent, provided Capel continues to add to Mintz for next year's class. The problem with the 6-14 two years ago is that we started the ACC at 6-7 and tanked our last 7 games by an average of 13 points.

Its what I personally expect to happen actually. I expect a lot of close games against good teams and even some of the bad teams assuming our team remains healthy for the full season. I expect our depth to keep us in a lot of close games.

Another example I can provide is Virginia Tech when Mike Young took over and he did a full rebuild.

2019-2020- Yr 1- 16-16 overall record, 7-13 conference record,12th place ACC, Pomeroy Rank 105
2020-2021 Yr 2- 15-7 record, 9-4 conference record, Pomeroy Rank 52

Virginia Tech returned 6 players year over year with an ORTG of 95+ and added Keve Aluma to the team. Obviously Aluma helped a lot, but the team made a big jump in pomeroy efficiency ranks and in the ACC year over year and they lost Landers Nolley year over year. They had a legit young core of players that were good. We are trying to establish a legit young core of players this year that prove to be legitimately good as individual players to build a good team. I also think Mintz is a future star.

 

[DT_PITT]

Its what I personally expect to happen actually. I expect a lot of close games against good teams and even some of the bad teams assuming our team remains healthy for the full season. I expect our depth to keep us in a lot of close games.

Another example I can provide is Virginia Tech when Mike Young took over and he did a full rebuild.

2019-2020- Yr 1- 16-16 overall record, 7-13 conference record,12th place ACC, Pomeroy Rank 105
2020-2021 Yr 2- 15-7 record, 9-4 conference record, Pomeroy Rank 52

Virginia Tech returned 6 players year over year with an ORTG of 95+ and added Keve Aluma to the team. Obviously Aluma helped a lot, but the team made a big jump in pomeroy efficiency ranks and in the ACC year over year and they lost Landers Nolley year over year. They had a legit young core of players that were good. We are trying to establish a legit young core of players this year that prove to be legitimately good as individual players to build a good team. I also think Mintz is a future star.

Nothing wrong with a positive outlook. I doubt anyone wants that more than me since I will be there in person for each and every home game. But there's plenty of data and/or reasons for concern too, as many have pointed out throughout the thread.

 

[whirlybird optio]

Its what I personally expect to happen actually. I expect a lot of close games against good teams and even some of the bad teams assuming our team remains healthy for the full season. I expect our depth to keep us in a lot of close games.

Another example I can provide is Virginia Tech when Mike Young took over and he did a full rebuild.

2019-2020- Yr 1- 16-16 overall record, 7-13 conference record,12th place ACC, Pomeroy Rank 105
2020-2021 Yr 2- 15-7 record, 9-4 conference record, Pomeroy Rank 52

Virginia Tech returned 6 players year over year with an ORTG of 95+ and added Keve Aluma to the team. Obviously Aluma helped a lot, but the team made a big jump in pomeroy efficiency ranks and in the ACC year over year and they lost Landers Nolley year over year. They had a legit young core of players that were good. We are trying to establish a legit young core of players this year that prove to be legitimately good as individual players to build a good team. I also think Mintz is a future star.

That Mike Young comparison is not very flattering to Capel lol. Young’s “full rebuild” included a .500 record in year 1 and and NCAA tournament in year 2. We apparently have to wait until years 5 and 6 to start dreaming of .500 records. Being a good coach also can help the W-L record.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Nothing wrong with a positive outlook. I doubt anyone wants that more than me since I will be there in person for each and every home game. But there's plenty of data and/or reasons for concern too, as many have pointed out throughout the thread.

There is a lot that can go wrong with a team as young as ours. And when I say young, I mean overall college experience in playing actual college games at the power 6 level, not age. I am also forecasting what I think players can do individually which is what I wrote above for the 4 players of Femi, Burton, Horton, Hugley. It certainly is not a given any of them perform what I think they can / will. It is also not a given we have good on court chemistry in live games, there is nothing in the past to prove we have it or will have it.

But I think there is enough data at hand including the backgrounds that what I predicted for those 4 are doable above this year. And I think if those 4 are close to what I predict at seasons end, we will be closer to the next step to making a tournament push in the future. We'll see.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Still, to your hypothetical, if for some reason we somehow go 6-14 with a Pomeroy in the 80-90 range, that would simply mean we would be losing lots of tough close games.

FWIW, out starting ranking by Pomeroy is 145 (ahead of only 146 BC in the ACC) and he is predicting us to go 5-15, 12-19.

 

[Cavalier Panther]

My expectation is that we we win 4 or 5 games.

My hope is that we win a few more, maybe 7 or 8. And that the team isn't a chore to watch. And we're not hearing about team drama that should have been left back in high school. And we're not getting blown out by 15 or 20 regularly. And that the team is competitive with the mid-tier ACC squads like V Tech. And that we win a few against Louisville/Clemson/Miami that we didn't expect to win.

That's a lot to ask, but at the same time, not so much.

 

[DT_PITT]

FWIW, out starting ranking by Pomeroy is 145 (ahead of only 146 BC in the ACC) and he is predicting us to go 5-15, 12-19.

Right ... I quoted that earlier in this thread or in another thread somewhere. The thing I will add is that I don't typically become a total disciple to the church of Pomeroy until about 7-8 games into the season, as he too is doing a little bit of educated guessing in his preseason model.

Nonetheless, I can't say that I wasn't at least a little bit troubled by this initial ranking.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That Mike Young comparison is not very flattering to Capel lol. Young’s “full rebuild” included a .500 record in year 1 and and NCAA tournament in year 2. We apparently have to wait until years 5 and 6 to start dreaming of .500 records. Being a good coach also can help the W-L record.

Mike Young inherited like 2 players and started winning from Day 1. We can only dream of getting to the tournament in Year 7.

 

[Duneaux Harm]

Are we reset to Year 1?

21-22: 7-13
22-23: NIT
23-24: sneak into NCAAT?

Should it take 6 years to get to the NCAAT in a sport that requires just a few impact players?

Sad as it may be but this year is a year where your only expectation is that there is no team discord on the floor or in the locker room. There is probably little chance of any upper tier upset of any teams. So best you can hope for is beating a mid level ACC team and being competitive with the bottom tier. Hopefully that gets you 3-4 wins.

I think we are way far away from an NCAA tournament and I don’t see Jeff recruiting someone impactful enough to get us there any time soon.

As much as it pains me to say I probably will be interested in following University of Arizona more because they have potential to surprise some folks.

Getting a beat down in a scrimmage game is not a good look so I have very little expectations for our Panthers this season.

 

[PittPoker]

Are we reset to Year 1?

21-22: 7-13
22-23: NIT
23-24: sneak into NCAAT?

Should it take 6 years to get to the NCAAT in a sport that requires just a few impact players?

Yes. We stunk even in that Maryland scrimmage. Capel and his awful assistants need to take a hike and we have to start over again, WITHOUT HIM.

 

[PittPoker]

Im going to say the same thing I said months ago in that I expect major breakouts from Femi and Big John this year and I expect both of them to be two of the top breakout players in the entire ACC conference this year. With a legit point guard and legit center, those are the 2 big building blocks of the future that need to breakout this year for future success. I also expect Judah Mintz to start from day 1 next year and I think he is going to make a substantial impact immediately on offense and on defense from day 1. He is still substantially underrated nationally.

I also maintain I think this current team will exceed preseason expectations.

Oh not again.

 

[Jeffburgh]

I LOVED the hire and had a lot of faith in HCJC, but he was already struggling in recruiting when the program blew up JUST as it seemed to be on verge of breaking through 10 months ago, and the island of misfit toys he brought in over the last six months is highly underwhelming.

There is a bit of talent that they could surprise and push, not get there, but push to be .500 in the ACC. But, and I don't want to feel this way, but I literally have no expectations coming into this year and am prepared for a bottom three ACC team.