What boils my blood about super-conferences

[Sean Miller Fan]

is that the following football programs are guaranteed a spot:

Northwestern
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Minnesota
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina

If this were to happen, I would much rather the top 20 or whatever programs just leave NCAA Football and form their own league/governing body but continue to play in the NCAA and their conferences in the other sports. I dont know why there has to be a 20 team SEC or 20 team Big Ten. Just eliminate all that dead weight and form a 20-30 team NFL Minor League with the following teams

OSU
PSU
Mich
ND
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Florida State
Clemson
Miami
USC
Oregon

I dont know why these programs must continue to play in under the antiquated NCAA umbrella and under the antiquated system of "we have to play field hockey vs all the same teams we play football against."

The "2nd Division" should be regionalized

East
Syr
Pitt
Lou
UVa
VT
WVU
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois
UNC
NC St
Kentucky
South Carolina
UCF
USF
Northwestern
GT
Indiana
Vanderbilt
Cincinnati

West
Iowa
Iowa St
Min
Kansas
KST
OKST
Houston
Baylor
TCU
TT
AZ
ASU
UNLV
Colorado
Boise St
UCLA
Stanford
Cal
Utah
BYU

 

[Pitt2006]

I’m not going to watch a league of top 20 college teams only for the same reason I don’t watch the division II teams or whatever they call it. I will watch sec football today because theoretically Pitt could have a chance or say they beat a team that could win or lose to say Alabama. Without that connection, I could care less about Alabama, Clemson, etc. If anything, expanding to include more teams would be where the money is at as it brings in many more fans.

 

[wbrpanther]

is that the following football programs are guaranteed a spot:

Northwestern
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Minnesota
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina

If this were to happen, I would much rather the top 20 or whatever programs just leave NCAA Football and form their own league/governing body but continue to play in the NCAA and their conferences in the other sports. I dont know why there has to be a 20 team SEC or 20 team Big Ten. Just eliminate all that dead weight and form a 20-30 team NFL Minor League with the following teams

OSU
PSU
Mich
ND
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Florida State
Clemson
Miami
USC
Oregon

I dont know why these programs must continue to play in under the antiquated NCAA umbrella and under the antiquated system of "we have to play field hockey vs all the same teams we play football against."

The "2nd Division" should be regionalized

East
Syr
Pitt
Lou
UVa
VT
WVU
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois
UNC
NC St
Kentucky
South Carolina
UCF
USF
Northwestern
GT
Indiana
Vanderbilt
Cincinnati

West
Iowa
Iowa St
Min
Kansas
KST
OKST
Houston
Baylor
TCU
TT
AZ
ASU
UNLV
Colorado
Boise St
UCLA
Stanford
Cal
Utah
BYU

Pitt would also be guaranteed a spot. You think our program is so much better than the ones you mentioned?

 

[BreakingPitt]

all that time probably making that silly thread, you think WVU is gonna be left out ?

i could care less either way, i have 10 minutes to spare before my pot pies are done.
oh , now i see them.
see, that is how much they matter,

 

[WannyandWalt]

all that time probably making that silly thread, you think WVU is gonna be left out ?

i could care less either way, i have 10 minutes to spare before my pot pies are done.
oh , now i see them.
see, that is how much they matter,

WVU won't be in the ACC

 

[NCPitt]

is that the following football programs are guaranteed a spot:

Northwestern
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Minnesota
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina

If this were to happen, I would much rather the top 20 or whatever programs just leave NCAA Football and form their own league/governing body but continue to play in the NCAA and their conferences in the other sports. I dont know why there has to be a 20 team SEC or 20 team Big Ten. Just eliminate all that dead weight and form a 20-30 team NFL Minor League with the following teams

OSU
PSU
Mich
ND
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Florida State
Clemson
Miami
USC
Oregon

I dont know why these programs must continue to play in under the antiquated NCAA umbrella and under the antiquated system of "we have to play field hockey vs all the same teams we play football against."

The "2nd Division" should be regionalized

East
Syr
Pitt
Lou
UVa
VT
WVU
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois
UNC
NC St
Kentucky
South Carolina
UCF
USF
Northwestern
GT
Indiana
Vanderbilt
Cincinnati

West
Iowa
Iowa St
Min
Kansas
KST
OKST
Houston
Baylor
TCU
TT
AZ
ASU
UNLV
Colorado
Boise St
UCLA
Stanford
Cal
Utah
BYU

Pure silliness. In the end, college Presidents and Boards will not allow football to go its own way.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Pure silliness. In the end, college Presidents and Boards will not allow football to go its own way.

On its way??? They'd just be under a separate governing body. Instead of playing under the NCAA, it could be like the National Collegiate Football Association.

 

[NCPitt]

On its way??? They'd just be under a separate governing body. Instead of playing under the NCAA, it could be like the National Collegiate Football Association.

The Presidents and Boards will ultimately recognize that football must be reined in. Many of those schools still want to have education as their primary mission.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

The Presidents and Boards will ultimately recognize that football must be reined in. Many of those schools still want to have education as their primary mission.

Which schools do you think will start this trend?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

The Presidents and Boards will ultimately recognize that football must be reined in. Many of those schools still want to have education as their primary mission.

LOL...LOLOLOLOLOLOL..............yeah right

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

LOL...LOLOLOLOLOLOL..............yeah right

I know, right. Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State, Penn State, Auburn, Georgia, etc, etc, etc, etc......those are football teams first which also just so happen to have another wing which educates 18-22 year olds. Make no mistake. Football calls the shots at those places and is far more important than their "education division."

 

[NCPitt]

Which schools do you think will start this trend?

Have no clue.

 

[NCPitt]

I know, right. Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State, Penn State, Auburn, Georgia, etc, etc, etc, etc......those are football teams first which also just so happen to have another wing which educates 18-22 year olds. Make no mistake. Football calls the shots at those places and is far more important than their "education division."

We'll see. Mark it down. Many of your "NFL Minor League" schools will NOT allow football to drive the school's mission.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

We'll see. Mark it down. Many of your "NFL Minor League" schools will NOT allow football to drive the school's mission.

You are beyond clueless. We're talking about schools which covered for a child rapist and allowed a star RB to play even after a video emerged of him knocking out a girl cold with a vicious sucker punch. These are football teams, first, educators 2nd.

 

[NCPitt]

You are beyond clueless. We're talking about schools which covered for a child rapist and allowed a star RB to play even after a video emerged of him knocking out a girl cold with a vicious sucker punch. These are football teams, first, educators 2nd.

That's 2. There are undoubtedly more than that. But not nearly all of them.

Besides, Mixon was penalized and pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Don't you believe in second chances?

 

[TD_6082]

We'll see. Mark it down. Many of your "NFL Minor League" schools will NOT allow football to drive the school's mission.

What's the school's mission?

These schools are going to make a substantial amount of money for some guys that otherwise might not have the opportunity.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

What's the school's mission?

These schools are going to make a substantial amount of money for some guys that otherwise might not have the opportunity.

$$$$$$. Most of America is driven by money and more stuff. Most Americans would screw there own family for a few bucks. University leaders see this easy money and don’t want it to stop and want to grab as much as they can while they can.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That's 2. There are undoubtedly more than that. But not nearly all of them.

Besides, Mixon was penalized and pled guilty to a misdemeanor. Don't you believe in second chances?

He should have been kicked off the team and his 2nd chance should have been at Tulsa. His penalty was that he had to redshirt his first season like 90% of all freshmen

 

[TD_6082]

$$$$$$. Most of America is driven by money and more stuff. Most Americans would screw there own family for a few bucks. University leaders see this easy money and don’t want it to stop and want to grab as much as they can while they can.

And this is a win/win. I'm sure a small percentage of this increased revenue will go to academics.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

And this is a win/win. I'm sure a small percentage of this increased revenue will go to academics.

More phys Ed degrees from our great institutions.

 

[NCPitt]

What's the school's mission?

These schools are going to make a substantial amount of money for some guys that otherwise might not have the opportunity.

From Pitt:

The University's mission is to:

• provide high-quality undergraduate programs in the arts and sciences and professional fields, with emphasis upon those of special benefit to the citizens of Pennsylvania;
  
• offer superior graduate programs in the arts and sciences and the professions that respond to the needs of Pennsylvania, as well as to the broader needs of the nation and the world;
  
• engage in research, artistic, and scholarly activities that advance learning through the extension of the frontiers of knowledge and creative endeavor;
  
• cooperate with industrial and governmental institutions to transfer knowledge in science, technology, and health care;
  
• offer continuing education programs adapted to the personal enrichment, professional upgrading, and career advancement interests and needs of adult Pennsylvanians; and
  
• make available to local communities and public agencies the expertise of the University in ways that are consistent with the primary teaching and research functions and contribute to social, intellectual, and economic development in the Commonwealth, the nation, and the world.

 

[TD_6082]

We'll see. Mark it down. Many of your "NFL Minor League" schools will NOT allow football to drive the school's mission.

This whole thing has been a sham for years. -Major college athletics hiding behind the guise of higher learning. They are breaking away from that. For better or worse, the NCAA is pretty much finished as an enforcement body.

 

[NCPitt]

He should have been kicked off the team and his 2nd chance should have been at Tulsa. His penalty was that he had to redshirt his first season like 90% of all freshmen

He was never going to play 4 years and he, in fact, only played 2 years. He was penalized 1/3 of his college career.

 

[NCPitt]

This whole thing has been a sham for years. -Major college athletics hiding behind the guise of higher learning. They are breaking away from that. For better or worse, the NCAA is pretty much finished as an enforcement body.

You are 100% correct. But it will be corrected when it goes too far. The OP's scenario is a step too far.

 

[TD_6082]

From Pitt:

The University's mission is to:

• provide high-quality undergraduate programs in the arts and sciences and professional fields, with emphasis upon those of special benefit to the citizens of Pennsylvania;
• offer superior graduate programs in the arts and sciences and the professions that respond to the needs of Pennsylvania, as well as to the broader needs of the nation and the world;
• engage in research, artistic, and scholarly activities that advance learning through the extension of the frontiers of knowledge and creative endeavor;
• cooperate with industrial and governmental institutions to transfer knowledge in science, technology, and health care;
• offer continuing education programs adapted to the personal enrichment, professional upgrading, and career advancement interests and needs of adult Pennsylvanians; and
• make available to local communities and public agencies the expertise of the University in ways that are consistent with the primary teaching and research functions and contribute to social, intellectual, and economic development in the Commonwealth, the nation, and the world.

That's neat.

And that can still be the University's mission. I don't see that playing big time college football has to be at odds with that mission. It's probably headed down the path of being associated with the University, but without being controlled by the University. Each school can make the decision of whether or not they want to be a part of it or not.

 

[NCPitt]

That's neat.

And that can still be the University's mission. I don't see that playing big time college football has to be at odds with that mission. It's probably headed down the path of being associated with the University, but without being controlled by the University. Each school can make the decision of whether or not they want to be a part of it or not.

And that is exactly the step too far. When the university has a choice to cede control or not, it will keep control. The academicians that lead the institution will ensure that.

 

[WannyandWalt]

Which schools do you think will start this trend?

I know one!

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

I know one!

Yes, that school did this long ago. That leadership wasn’t well followed.

 

[TD_6082]

And that is exactly the step too far. When the university has a choice to cede control or not, it will keep control. The academicians that lead the institution will ensure that.

Why would academia WANT to keep control of something they know is a fraud, and often times, just a huge headache for them?

How do you think they are going to control it?

 

[NCPitt]

Why would academia WANT to keep control of something they know is a fraud, and often times, just a huge headache for them?

How do you think they are going to control it?

I have no idea. I just believe they won't allow a minor league for football to be associated with their school. In addition to the control aspect, it likely brings into question the legal and tax status of such a venture.

Please inform us of how the fraud exists in general. We know of several specific examples, but they really aren't prevalent throughout the sport.

 

[WannyandWalt]

Higher academia is mostly fraud! Read that again

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I have no idea. I just believe they won't allow a minor league for football to be associated with their school. In addition to the control aspect, it likely brings into question the legal and tax status of such a venture.

Please inform us of how the fraud exists in general. We know of several specific examples, but they really aren't prevalent throughout the sport.

I see a breakaway division where the players are paid, revenue is taxed, but the players must have a loose affilation with the school, like must be taking enough credits to be considered part-time students or something. This would be outside of the college athletic department. Like say the Ohio State Buckeye Football Corp. The colleges grant them rights to their name and logos in exchange for the advertising they bring.

Basketball and the other sports should stay as is.

 

[TD_6082]

I have no idea. I just believe they won't allow a minor league for football to be associated with their school. In addition to the control aspect, it likely brings into question the legal and tax status of such a venture.

Please inform us of how the fraud exists in general. We know of several specific examples, but they really aren't prevalent throughout the sport.

How the fraud exists?

grades
course work
admissions
NCAA rules
extra benefits

Those are prevalent throughout revenue sports in college athletics.

 

[Burgh15]

What bothers me about super conferences is it screws basically every sport outside of football. Even football, it takes away from what makes college football special.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

We'll see. Mark it down. Many of your "NFL Minor League" schools will NOT allow football to drive the school's mission.

Not true. Pitt? Yeah this might be true as we have seen over the last 40 years starting with not allowing Jackie Sherrill to have Paterno like power (big mistake the University made).

But PSU? We only had to see what transpired with the Sandusky issues. Ohio State? Alabama, where they cut majors and programs yet boosters anted up to pay off Saban's mortgage? Who? There are few programs who really will not let football drive the bus. Most of these schools (I will go with USC and UCLA) are good schools, in urban environments who realize they will always be second to the pro teams, so no use selling your soul.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

From Pitt:

The University's mission is to:

• provide high-quality undergraduate programs in the arts and sciences and professional fields, with emphasis upon those of special benefit to the citizens of Pennsylvania;
• offer superior graduate programs in the arts and sciences and the professions that respond to the needs of Pennsylvania, as well as to the broader needs of the nation and the world;
• engage in research, artistic, and scholarly activities that advance learning through the extension of the frontiers of knowledge and creative endeavor;
• cooperate with industrial and governmental institutions to transfer knowledge in science, technology, and health care;
• offer continuing education programs adapted to the personal enrichment, professional upgrading, and career advancement interests and needs of adult Pennsylvanians; and
• make available to local communities and public agencies the expertise of the University in ways that are consistent with the primary teaching and research functions and contribute to social, intellectual, and economic development in the Commonwealth, the nation, and the world.

Yes, and we can read these things along most corporate web sites about being a good steward to the environment, communities, county as they rape and pillage resources and pollution, leave at the moment tax abatements end, find 3rd world locations where they can people pennies and pollute without penalties. Yet, their mission statement's decidedly read against this.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I agree with SMF's initial premise. IF this does go that way, the "passengers" are also going to be left behind. So if you are going to blow it up, why protect a Vanderbilt, a Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, Rutgers, Mississippi State, Cal, Oregon State, etc.....

 

[NCPitt]

I see a breakaway division where the players are paid, revenue is taxed, but the players must have a loose affilation with the school, like must be taking enough credits to be considered part-time students or something. This would be outside of the college athletic department. Like say the Ohio State Buckeye Football Corp. The colleges grant them rights to their name and logos in exchange for the advertising they bring.

Basketball and the other sports should stay as is.

NOT.......GOING.......TO......HAPPEN!

 

[NCPitt]

How the fraud exists?

grades
course work
admissions
NCAA rules
extra benefits

Those are prevalent throughout revenue sports in college athletics.

Proof? I see a lot of rumors and inferences but don't see the proof to back it up. This is similar to voter fraud. Some believe it exists while others say there isn't proof.

How does this alleged fraud in athletics compare to other parts of the college population?

 

[NCPitt]

Not true. Pitt? Yeah this might be true as we have seen over the last 40 years starting with not allowing Jackie Sherrill to have Paterno like power (big mistake the University made).

But PSU? We only had to see what transpired with the Sandusky issues. Ohio State? Alabama, where they cut majors and programs yet boosters anted up to pay off Saban's mortgage? Who? There are few programs who really will not let football drive the bus. Most of these schools (I will go with USC and UCLA) are good schools, in urban environments who realize they will always be second to the pro teams, so no use selling your soul.

Your post contradicts itself. You first say that my statement is not true. Then you list schools where it is true.