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What It's Like to be a Northwestern Wildcat Fan

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Greetings all. Looking forward to the matchup in the Pinstripe and LOTS of points being scored. Here in Chicago, college football junkies like me get a steady diet of mid-week night MAC games that often look like sandlot battles (most drives last about 5 plays and then a score; punts are rare), and I think our matchup may generate 100+ points.

In the spirit of "get to know thine enemy," I thought I would share a few tidbits about life from a NU fan's perspective. Conversely, I would love to learn more about the Pitt diaspora and fan experience.

Northwestern is still battling to overcome the stigma of the Dark Ages. This was roughly a two decade period where the school's administration was openly hostile to athletics, particularly football, and the performance on the field was openly hostile toward NU fans. During the period from 1972 through 1994, NU set a NCAA standard for futility by losing 34 straight football games over one particularly odious stretch of football (a record since broken), as well as not venturing to exceed 4 wins in any one season. In the 1980s, it became a fan tradition to 1) throw marshmallows at the band (targeting the tuba players was much more interesting than what was transpiring on the field); 2) jiggle your car keys during kickoffs (this action was meant to symbolize the belief that regardless of the game result, the opposing school's graduates would eventually be parking the cars of the Northwestern graduates as a professional pursuit); 3) tear down the goalposts with rare victories over ranked opponents. I would only add that these snobbish behaviors do not really reflect a sense of superiority. NU fans are very approachable and generally modest, based on my ownexperience.

This was the period known as the Dark Ages. NU lost consistently, and often in ugly fashion. Thankfully things changed. Most of you know about the magical 1995 season that led to our first bowl appearance since 1948. That 1995 team was legitimately good. We have not reached that level of competence since, but overall have been much more competitive. Since 2000, NU has appeared in 10 bowl games, delivered two 10-win seasons, and amassed an overall record of 110-101. When you are as bad as NU was during that Dark Ages, it is not hard to improve.

With moderate success have come increased expectations, and with it the fan neurosis that comes with hoping for and expecting more, and encountering disappointment. Bowl games have become particularly traumatic as we have followed up promising seasons of 8-10 victories with close postseason losses to better teams. The program has made visible but halting progress toward respectability, but the overall sense is that we are still another leap away from breaking through to achieve status as a program that has to be reckoned with in the Big Ten. The milestone we hope to see is winning the Big Ten, which means beating OSU, Michigan or that other PA school in the title game.

We are a small community of fans. Our undergrad enrollment is less than 10k, so our alumni community is very small in relation to other B1G schools. When our stadium does fill, it is because visiting fans from Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan or OSU have come to town. Our community online is quite small but devoted. We LOVE having opposing fans visit our Rivals boards, provided the intent is serious discussion of football or ancillary matters. Being trolled by fans of "name" programs provokes a visceral response. The Pitt crowd strikes me as a group that is very respectful and interested in substantive discussion. So please engage.
 
Greetings all. Looking forward to the matchup in the Pinstripe and LOTS of points being scored. Here in Chicago, college football junkies like me get a steady diet of mid-week night MAC games that often look like sandlot battles (most drives last about 5 plays and then a score; punts are rare), and I think our matchup may generate 100+ points.

In the spirit of "get to know thine enemy," I thought I would share a few tidbits about life from a NU fan's perspective. Conversely, I would love to learn more about the Pitt diaspora and fan experience.

Northwestern is still battling to overcome the stigma of the Dark Ages. This was roughly a two decade period where the school's administration was openly hostile to athletics, particularly football, and the performance on the field was openly hostile toward NU fans. During the period from 1972 through 1994, NU set a NCAA standard for futility by losing 34 straight football games over one particularly odious stretch of football (a record since broken), as well as not venturing to exceed 4 wins in any one season. In the 1980s, it became a fan tradition to 1) throw marshmallows at the band (targeting the tuba players was much more interesting than what was transpiring on the field); 2) jiggle your car keys during kickoffs (this action was meant to symbolize the belief that regardless of the game result, the opposing school's graduates would eventually be parking the cars of the Northwestern graduates as a professional pursuit); 3) tear down the goalposts with rare victories over ranked opponents. I would only add that these snobbish behaviors do not really reflect a sense of superiority. NU fans are very approachable and generally modest, based on my ownexperience.

This was the period known as the Dark Ages. NU lost consistently, and often in ugly fashion. Thankfully things changed. Most of you know about the magical 1995 season that led to our first bowl appearance since 1948. That 1995 team was legitimately good. We have not reached that level of competence since, but overall have been much more competitive. Since 2000, NU has appeared in 10 bowl games, delivered two 10-win seasons, and amassed an overall record of 110-101. When you are as bad as NU was during that Dark Ages, it is not hard to improve.

With moderate success have come increased expectations, and with it the fan neurosis that comes with hoping for and expecting more, and encountering disappointment. Bowl games have become particularly traumatic as we have followed up promising seasons of 8-10 victories with close postseason losses to better teams. The program has made visible but halting progress toward respectability, but the overall sense is that we are still another leap away from breaking through to achieve status as a program that has to be reckoned with in the Big Ten. The milestone we hope to see is winning the Big Ten, which means beating OSU, Michigan or that other PA school in the title game.

We are a small community of fans. Our undergrad enrollment is less than 10k, so our alumni community is very small in relation to other B1G schools. When our stadium does fill, it is because visiting fans from Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan or OSU have come to town. Our community online is quite small but devoted. We LOVE having opposing fans visit our Rivals boards, provided the intent is serious discussion of football or ancillary matters. Being trolled by fans of "name" programs provokes a visceral response. The Pitt crowd strikes me as a group that is very respectful and interested in substantive discussion. So please engage.
Welcome to the board. I would like to thank you for beating PS last year.
 
We seem to have a common disgust for Penn St. NU boards generally despise Franklin dating back to his time at Vanderbilt. The there is the whole the Sandusky thing and the institutional response, or lack thereof. The NCAA deserves derision in this matter too, though we all know that the NCAA's true north points to where ever it does its banking.
 
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Northwestern is still battling to overcome the stigma of the Dark Ages. This was roughly a two decade period where the school's administration was openly hostile to athletics, particularly football, and the performance on the field was openly hostile toward NU fans.

Haha. Sounds familiar. We should trout out those ADs and school heads responsible from both schools at halftime and rightly mock them.
 
How do Northwestern fans view the job that Pat Fitzgerald has done as HC? I feel he has done a very good job, and seems like a classy guy as opposed to the Used Car Salesman at other places.
 
Pitt, like NU is a big city school in an NFL town. As such attendance is low due to competition for the sports $.
I believe that NW and Pitt have a similar football history. Some sucess by we are not a win at all costs program.
A recurring topic on this forum is attendance or lack thereof.
I realize NW has their own stadium, while Pitt shares theirs with the Steelers.
QUESTION:
Is attendance at NW football an issue with your fan base. It is the most frequently discussed issue here and a response from you would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance and.....
HAIL TO PITT !
 
How does NW travel for bowl games? Where does NW football rate in the media? I assume like Pittsburgh, they are behind the Bears, Cubs, WhiteSox, Blackhawks, Bulls and perhaps some other college programs on top of that.
 
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How does NW travel for bowl games? Where does NW football rate in the media? I assume like Pittsburgh, they are behind the Bears, Cubs, WhiteSox, Blackhawks, Bulls and perhaps some other college programs on top of that.

FWIW, we go by NU (using NW is a common mistake).

You're spot on regarding competition with pro teams in Chicago. Also, other BT programs have a lot of grads in the Chicago area, so drawing casual fans is a challenge as well. We get decent press coverage with the Trib. It certainly doesn't hurt that Teddy Greenstein, who covers NU, is himself an NU grad. Until recently, ND got the lion's share of it (don't get me started). We also get love from Michael Wilbon (an NU trustee) who keeps an NU helmet in camera view on the PTI set at all times. Mike Greenberg (Mike & Mike) is a diehard fan as well.

I personally think NU fan turnout for the game will be good as NYC is a hotbed for NU grads.
 
How do Northwestern fans view the job that Pat Fitzgerald has done as HC? I feel he has done a very good job, and seems like a classy guy as opposed to the Used Car Salesman at other places.
Overall, he's well regarded and seen as the face of the program, and frankly a guy who probably could get a higher profile job elsewhere, but bleeds purple.

His criticisms stem from a perceived stubborn allegiance to coordinators who do not perform well. Ten years ago, it was our loooonnngtime DB coach Jerry Brown who was pilloried by some online for our secondary play. Over the past several years, we have recruited and developed some very good CB talent to the point where it is a strength.

Lately, spotty offensive play, questions about scheming, and poor recruiting and/or development of the oline has some calling for assistants' heads. Personally, I am noncommittal on this point but certainly agree that we need to improve the caliber of our offensive line. In the mid 2000s, NU had impressive line talent with several players making it in the NFL. That trend has subsided. We need to do better here.

Fitz is loyal and has avoided turnover and drama among his staff, for better or for worse. I think most appreciate his stability and low drama approach, though he is increasingly combative with the media as expectations rise and questions about his program performance become more pointed. Such is the life of a coach.
 
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It is easy to like NU, they are similar to Pitt for sure. We had a very similar thing happen in the 90's to Pitt, academics trumped and we had self imposed restrictions on recruiting. And in the end, I think the Pitt fan base is mostly one that loves the team but doesnt want to sell out to get wins (I think I am in that boat). Makes it easier to be a fan in all honesty, as I am not upset with a 7-5 season as others are.

Fitzgerald seems like an excellent coach and good guy, and certainly wasnt easy after Randy Walker passed away suddenly.

I think your WR Carr will have 15 receptions and youll score 30-40 points unless there is a blizzard going on. It will be a fun and challenging game. I know you have some Oline issues, but if those guys are back for the game, it will be close and probably turnovers will determine the winner.
 
Overall, he's well regarded and seen as the face of the program, and frankly a guy who probably could get a higher profile job elsewhere, but bleeds purple.

His criticisms stem from a perceived stubborn allegiance to coordinators who do not perform well. Ten years ago, it was our loooonnngtime DB coach Jerry Brown who was pilloried by some online for our secondary play. Over the past several years, we have recruited and developed some very good CB talent to the point where it is a strength.

Lately, spotty offensive play, questions about scheming, and poor recruiting and/or development of the oline has some calling for assistants' heads. Personally, I am noncommittal on this point but certainly agree that we need to improve the caliber of our offensive line. In the mid 2000s, NU had impressive line talent with several players making it in the NFL. That trend has subsided. We need to do better here.

Fitz is loyal and has avoided turnover and drama among his staff, for better or for worse. I think most appreciate his stability and low drama approach, though he is increasingly combative with the media as expectations rise and questions about his program performance become more pointed. Such is the life of a coach.
My perspective as a lifelong Pitt fan who has lived in the heart of B10 country most of his life: Fitz has done a whole lot with what he has had to work with at NU. His loyalty is admirable but more importantly he's a helluva good football coach doing a great job at a severely handicapped program. The challenges to winning at Northwestern are enormous, starting with academic recruiting restrictions. You guys are lucky as hell to have Fitz, he could have gone just about anywhere he wanted several years ago and probably still could. Ryan Field should be renamed in his honor someday.
 
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My perspective as a lifelong Pitt fan who has lived in the heart of B10 country most of his life: Fitz has done a whole lot with what he has had to work with at NU. His loyalty is admirable but more importantly he's a helluva good football coach doing a great job at a severely handicapped program. The challenges to winning at Northwestern are enormous, starting with academic recruiting restrictions. You guys are lucky as hell to have Fitz, he could have gone just about anywhere he wanted several years ago and probably still could. Ryan Field should be renamed in his honor someday.
The academic requirements probably reduce the pool of players to about 20-25% (we have debated this and this seems to be the consensus). We lose recruiting battles for top targets to Stanford, Duke, Wisconsin (esp. local linemen), OSU, ND and a few others.

The new on-campus training facility should help. It is a beautiful building on the lakefront that will enable players to live and train on campus. We are all pretty excited about it.

Still, I think the challenges of recruiting to NU might be a bit overblown. When talent in state is good, we get good classes (Thorson and Jackson were Illinois 4 stars who committed to NU after our 10 win season in 2012). Our biggest issue lately has been landing top QB targets and developing talent on the offensive line. If you struggle with the latter, life gets rough in power conference play.
 
Let me ask an NU fan this question: What was it like to have experienced 2 10 win seasons within a 4 year period? For all the restrictions and other impediments that NU might face that is impressive.

Pitt won 10 games in a season once in the last decade and so far not at all in this decade. It should not be that hard but I guess that it is.
 
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Let me ask an NU fan this question: What was it like to have experienced 2 10 win seasons within a 4 year period? For all the restrictions and other impediments that NU might face that is impressive.

Pitt won 10 games in a season once in the last decade and so far not at all in this decade. It should not be that hard but I guess that it is.
In 2012, it was all about the bowl victory. We won the 1949 rose bowl. The big ten also only sent 1 team to a bowl game for many years. As such, we didn't go bowling again until our 1995 rose bowl team. Getting the monkey off our back was everything.

2013 was supposed to be awesome, but lots of injuries and a QB trying to develop and player's union really hurt the team. 2014 was tough as well with injuries and spring practice basically being wasted due to the union voting.

2015 was amazing with one of the best defenses I have seen in college football (outside Alabama). We got pummeled in 3 games, but the defense really only got beat in 2. During the Michigan game, we gave up the opening kickoff, a pick 6, and a late TD with the back ups in so giving up 38 should've been 17, which should be a win... but we scored 0. The defense was on the field 35+ minutes a game. The team had no oline to block for Justin Jackson and poor WRs to go with it. The freshman QB looked to lack confidence as well as he tended to throw everything low and away (like the baseball analogy?) where neither the defender nor the receiver could catch the ball. So the defense was really amazing, but I think most fans felt like we got lucky to win games. I don't. We had a team with an identity which was let the defense get the win. Others disagree which brings me to...

How do Northwestern fans view the job that Pat Fitzgerald has done as HC? I feel he has done a very good job, and seems like a classy guy as opposed to the Used Car Salesman at other places.
There are those that think the Jim Harbaugh and Nick Saban are available. Others like me realize that NU is the job for Fitz, it's a stepping stone for most others in the profession. If we hire a coach, let's say PJ Fleck from Western Michigan that did beat us this season, and he's successful, he's gone to Texas, Michigan, Notre Dame... If we hire a coach, and he's unsuccessful, we just spurned Fitz to become Purdue. I think Fitz will turn NU into successful program year after year. It's never gonna be Ohio State successful, but maybe like an Iowa who can get to the New Years 6 when scheduling, injuries, luck, the recruiting cycle... all work in their favor. (I think next year is that year for us)

Lots of dumb fans that know nothing about football question Fitz. The expectation is 9 wins a year or Fitz. Even in the 10 win season of 2012 people wanted to fire our DB coach Jerry Brown and and 2015 people wanted to fire our OL and WR coaches. A lot of NU fans don't understand recruiting. The Oline didn't get the recruits we were after like Dan Voltz Wisc Center, Jordan Walsh Guard Iowa. Neither did the WRs like Jehu Chesson Michigan, Equamenious St Brown Notre Dame. Many other examples are out there. Fitz runs recruiting a little different than most places. He doesn't run off recruits when he finds a better one. He has to wait to see test scores and grades before offering. 3/4 to 2/3 of the country are eliminated with the academics. Fitz develops relationships with the recruits and will end up offering far fewer players than the average coach but have a far higher success ratio. That's the double edge sword. When you lose a player like Voltz, you don't have 2-3 behind him. That leaves fans to want to fire the position coach. And then when we have 2 5-7 seasons, it's fire the coach regardless of the injury situation, the union issues...

There's also lots of decisions that Fitz makes in a game that idiot fans criticize. Here's some examples:

Instead of putting his punter out there and snapping the ball with 1-5 seconds on the clock, Fitz will wait til there is 1 second left on the play clock, call timeout, and then send his punter out on the field. "Why does it matter? What's 4 seconds going to do? The other team is going to take a knee and go into the half." Well, that fan is just finding something to complain about.

End of the half: Let's say NU gets the ball with about 1:30 left. Fitz will run on first down. He'll look to see if the offense is "On schedule." If it's 2nd and 9, he'll hit the breaks and kill the clock. If it's 2nd and 2, he'll hit the gas and go. Let's say it's 2nd and 9 and we run and the opponent calls time out and we punt with 1:10 left. People will complain that Fitz is too cautious. The other coach will do the same thing. Fitz will then call time out when our defense makes a play leaving them in 2nd or 3rd and long. We'll get the ball back with 40 seconds left... and people will complain about having the time Fitz ran off in the previous possession.

End of game: Our offense is to snap the ball with about 20 seconds left. If we have a lead in the 4th quarter, we'll continue to do this until maybe the 4-6 minute mark. If you built a lead, keep doing what you're doing. Many fans will complain with 4 minutes left that Fitz left 4 minutes on the clock and the game should be over.

So Fitz has the reputation of being terrible with clock management by people that don't know anything about football.
 
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You mean except for our 9 National Championships, top 20 place among all programs in total wins, 51 Consensus All-Americans, and 8 Canton inductees.
No. I mean that neither Pitt nor NU are win at all costs programs.
The statistics that you refer to are 40 years old or older.
 
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No. I mean that neither Pitt nor NU are win at all costs programs.
The statistics that you refer to are 40 years old or older.

Ok, but for the record, in the last 39 years, we've had 19 Consensus All-Americans and 7 Canton inductees, five of which played at Pitt in the past 39 years. In addition, our win total standing is current and we've played in 5 major bowls.

You probably should have said 30 years or older.
 
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Pitt, like NU is a big city school in an NFL town. As such attendance is low due to competition for the sports $.
I believe that NW and Pitt have a similar football history. Some sucess by we are not a win at all costs program.
A recurring topic on this forum is attendance or lack thereof.
I realize NW has their own stadium, while Pitt shares theirs with the Steelers.
QUESTION:
Is attendance at NW football an issue with your fan base. It is the most frequently discussed issue here and a response from you would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance and.....
HAIL TO PITT !
This is a really good point.

Chicago is very much a pro sports town, though I think the Bears have been very good for college football in this market (I was a fan once, but decided I could not bear to watch them anymore because I find them insufferably incompetent.)

Yes-attendance is an issue with our fan base. We have had some "spirited" discussions online about fan support, or lack thereof, with personal accusations of not being a true fan unless you pony up for games. I get the sentiment but I guess I am not much of a fan by that measure, attending one game per year most years. I am waiting for the day my young son gets excited about college football.

The program has repriced season tickets and parking allotments recently, and frankly has alienated some longtime supporters with exorbitant fees for parking passes. 11am games don't help matters. Now we have this Friday night stuff.

I do not have a great answer for fan support. NU clearly needs more of it. I'd love to see 40,000 purple people in the stands every home game. Winning helps. We have had some good seasons lately but need to win 8+ games consistently I think and start going to B1G title games. Winning bowl games too.

I don't think ticket pricing matters a whole lot. The after market tends to figure it out.

We start classes in mid-September which means early season home games are not attended by the students. Cannot change that other than scheduling that first FBS game in week 1 on the road.
 
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Ok, but for the record, in the last 39 years, we've had 19 Consensus All-Americans and 7 Canton inductees, five of which played at Pitt in the past 39 years. In addition, our win total standing is current and we've played in 5 major bowls.

You probably should have said 30 years or older.
My sincere apologies.
 
This is a really good point.

Chicago is very much a pro sports town, though I think the Bears have been very good for college football in this market (I was a fan once, but decided I could not bear to watch them anymore because I find them insufferably incompetent.)

Yes-attendance is an issue with our fan base. We have had some "spirited" discussions online about fan support, or lack thereof, with personal accusations of not being a true fan unless you pony up for games. I get the sentiment but I guess I am not much of a fan by that measure, attending one game per year most years. I am waiting for the day my young son gets excited about college football.

The program has repriced season tickets and parking allotments recently, and frankly has alienated some longtime supporters with exorbitant fees for parking passes. 11am games don't help matters. Now we have this Friday night stuff.

I do not have a great answer for fan support. NU clearly needs more of it. I'd love to see 40,000 purple people in the stands every home game. Winning helps. We have had some good seasons lately but need to win 8+ games consistently I think and start going to B1G title games. Winning bowl games too.

I don't think ticket pricing matters a whole lot. The after market tends to figure it out.

We start classes in mid-September which means early season home games are not attended by the students. Cannot change that other than scheduling that first FBS game in week 1 on the road.
Thanks for your perspective and insight.
Maybe some Pitt fans can see that there are other fine programs in the same boat. It is not necessary to sell your soul to the devil of big time college football to have a good team and a good time as a fan of that team.
Stadiums attendance and uniforms are not the key to success and happiness.
Hail to Pitt
 
Thanks for your perspective and insight.
Maybe some Pitt fans can see that there are other fine programs in the same boat. It is not necessary to sell your soul to the devil of big time college football to have a good team and a good time as a fan of that team.
Stadiums attendance and uniforms are not the key to success and happiness.
Hail to Pitt
There is a vocal contingent on our board that feels we should relax admission standards to enable recruiting. I get the sentiment, and perhaps there is an argument for some incremental easing as NU's APR shows near 100% graduation rate. So maybe we can open the door a bit wider without compromising our values. Perhaps.

I am pretty happy with how the program is run. I would never delude myself into thinking that Northwestern "makes" great character. By the time our coaches meet targets, they have already gotten their act together, focused themselves on their studies, trained themselves play college football (though not usually physically ready), and have avoided bad choices. The character is already there. We just filter for it. Playing at NU (or most schools) just raises the stakes. I think you would say the same about PItt.

That said, Fitz has a very short leash when it comes to player conduct. He just shows very little tolerance for miscreants. Thankfully we have not really seen any for a long while.
 
There is a vocal contingent on our board that feels we should relax admission standards to enable recruiting. I get the sentiment, and perhaps there is an argument for some incremental easing as NU's APR shows near 100% graduation rate. So maybe we can open the door a bit wider without compromising our values. Perhaps.

I am pretty happy with how the program is run. I would never delude myself into thinking that Northwestern "makes" great character. By the time our coaches meet targets, they have already gotten their act together, focused themselves on their studies, trained themselves play college football (though not usually physically ready), and have avoided bad choices. The character is already there. We just filter for it. Playing at NU (or most schools) just raises the stakes. I think you would say the same about PItt.

That said, Fitz has a very short leash when it comes to player conduct. He just shows very little tolerance for miscreants. Thankfully we have not really seen any for a long while.
Academic Achievement Award Winners Through the Years

AFCA Awards 2015:
The Top Two 100% Graduation 2015:
DUKE

VANDERBILT

Top 13 AFCA Achieved Rate Of 90% Or Better 2015.
Arkansas State,
Boise State,
Bowling Green State,
Central Florida,
Missouri,
Northwestern,
Notre Dame,
Oregon State,
Rice,
South Carolina,
Stanford,
Virginia Tech

Western Kentucky

2015 Graduating 75 percent or more of their football student-athletes.
1. ACC: 12 of 15:
DUKE 100%

Notre Dame, 90%+*
Virginia Tech, 90%+
Boston College,
Clemson,
Florida State,
Georgia Tech,
Miami (Fla.),
North Carolina State,
Pittsburgh,
Syracuse,
Wake Forest,

2. B10: 9 of 14:
Northwestern, 90%+

Maryland,
Michigan,
Minnesota,
Nebraska,
Ohio State,
Purdue,
Rutgers,
Wisconsin.


3. B12: 7 of 10:
Baylor,
Iowa State,
Kansas,
Kansas State,
Oklahoma,
TCU,
Texas Tech,

4. P12: 6 of 12
Oregon State, 90%+

Stanford, 90%+
Colorado,
UCLA,
Utah,
Washington State


4. SEC 7 of 14:
VANDERBILT 100%

Missouri, 90%+
South Carolina, 90%+
Alabama,
Florida,
LSU,
Mississippi State


NON-POWER FIVE: 75%
Air Force,
Alabama-Birmingham,
Connecticut,
Florida Atlantic,
Hawaii,
Kent State,
Louisiana-Lafayette,
Marshall,
Miami (Ohio),
Navy,
SMU,
South Florida,
Temple,
Texas-San Antonio,
Troy,
Tulane,
Tulsa,
Utah State,

AFCA Most Awards:
ACC Duke, 14;
IDP-ACC* Notre Dame, 9;
B10 Northwestern, 8;
ACC Boston College, 4;
SEC Vanderbilt, 4;
P12 Stanford, 3;
Rice, 2;
ACC Virginia, 2.


Most Honorable Mentions:
IDP-ACC* Notre Dame, 25; *(Plays 5 ACC Teams)
Rice, 24;
ACC Virginia, 24;
ACC Boston College, 23;
ACC Syracuse, 21;
SEC Vanderbilt, 21;
ACC Wake Forest, 20.

B10** Penn State 23 **(NCAA Sanctions Lack Of Athletic Integrity Until 2012)
LINK:
https://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2714
 
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There is a vocal contingent on our board that feels we should relax admission standards to enable recruiting. I get the sentiment, and perhaps there is an argument for some incremental easing as NU's APR shows near 100% graduation rate. So maybe we can open the door a bit wider without compromising our values. Perhaps.

I am pretty happy with how the program is run. I would never delude myself into thinking that Northwestern "makes" great character. By the time our coaches meet targets, they have already gotten their act together, focused themselves on their studies, trained themselves play college football (though not usually physically ready), and have avoided bad choices. The character is already there. We just filter for it. Playing at NU (or most schools) just raises the stakes. I think you would say the same about PItt.

That said, Fitz has a very short leash when it comes to player conduct. He just shows very little tolerance for miscreants. Thankfully we have not really seen any for a long while.

I know this isn't exactly on topic, but what is mind blowing to me about Northwestern is the only Power Conference program (and you an add in the programs from the top 8 or 9 mid-major conferences) to never make an NCAA tournament. I don't care how high someone's admission standards are, to be where Northwestern is located, in the midsts of all that hoop talent, it is absolutely unbelievable that the Wildcats haven't ever broken into the tourney. And there really is no excuse on the academic side when you have Duke, Stanford, Georgetown, Vandy, Notre Dame, and the entire membership of the Ivy League and all but Army from the Patriot League having gotten in...multiple times. I just don't get why any school located in the Chicago area wouldn't have stumbled their way into the tourney at least once over 75+ years.
 
I know this isn't exactly on topic, but what is mind blowing to me about Northwestern is the only Power Conference program (and you an add in the programs from the top 8 or 9 mid-major conferences) to never make an NCAA tournament. I don't care how high someone's admission standards are, to be where Northwestern is located, in the midsts of all that hoop talent, it is absolutely unbelievable that the Wildcats haven't ever broken into the tourney. And there really is no excuse on the academic side when you have Duke, Stanford, Georgetown, Vandy, Notre Dame, and the entire membership of the Ivy League and all but Army from the Patriot League having gotten in...multiple times. I just don't get why any school located in the Chicago area wouldn't have stumbled their way into the tourney at least once over 75+ years.
Well, there was another drought in town that lasted about 108 years. I ain't talking about the weather.
 
You mean except for our 9 National Championships, top 20 place among all programs in total wins, 51 Consensus All-Americans, and 8 Canton inductees.
Thank you. Nothing like Pitt fans who continue to sabatoge our tradition. Folks wonder why our perception currently is in the gutter.......geezus
 
Well, there was another drought in town that lasted about 108 years. I ain't talking about the weather.

Yeah, but I'm not talking about winning it all. Even though its only been at 64 teams since '85, that drought is bewildering considering the prep talent in your back yard. Someone should've been able to cobble together an appearance with scraps. It just shouldn't be like that. Do you have insight into what the issue is there? It's not like you haven't been competitive in football, and that is a lot tougher because of the scholarship numbers. It just makes no sense that your hoops has been wondering the desert for so long.
 
Yeah, but I'm not talking about winning it all. Even though its only been at 64 teams since '85, that drought is bewildering considering the prep talent in your back yard. Someone should've been able to cobble together an appearance with scraps. It just shouldn't be like that. Do you have insight into what the issue is there? It's not like you haven't been competitive in football, and that is a lot tougher because of the scholarship numbers. It just makes no sense that your hoops has been wondering the desert for so long.
I'm no historian, but the Dark Ages era also impacted basketball, and all scholarship sports. Going way back, they were voted a national champion in 1931! And won a Western Conference title in 1933! Since joining the B1G in 1953, they have finished no higher than 2nd.

Chicago is a national recruiting site for high school basketball. Our best players over the years have come out of Chicago. The best players from the area have left the region for Duke, Kansas, NC, etc.

Facilities for basketball have always been bottom tier in the conference. The arena will be substantially remodeled starting next season, which should help vastly improve the fan experience. It feels like a high school gym right now. The bigger benefit should accrue when they complete the lakefront athletic complex, which will allow football and basketball teams to practice and train on campus, meaning they will live on campus. It will be a spectacular building.

Coach Collins has brought more talent into the program.In his fourth season, the team looks like it just might make the tournament. It's early, but this team is much deeper and more athletic than any NU team that it has fielded.
 
There shouldn't be too much mystery to Northwestern's recent success. They were able to win more games as a result of the Big Ten's downturn. When Michigan, OSU and State Penn were having difficulties, that created more opportunity for the other schools. Playing an easy ooc schedule helped too, though they did have a nice victory over Stanford a few years back.
 
There shouldn't be too much mystery to Northwestern's recent success. They were able to win more games as a result of the Big Ten's downturn. When Michigan, OSU and State Penn were having difficulties, that created more opportunity for the other schools. Playing an easy ooc schedule helped too, though they did have a nice victory over Stanford a few years back.

Yeah, well, NU won 10 games in 2012 and once again in 2015 --- twice in a 4 year period. That is impressive regardless of schedule.

If it is so easy, why didn't all of the other middling B1G's do that?

Can you imagine PITT earning 2 10 win seasons in a 4 year period? Hasn't happened since 81/82 (20 wins aggregate). Sometimes I wonder if that feat happens again any time soon.
 
Yeah, well, NU won 10 games in 2012 and once again in 2015 --- twice in a 4 year period. That is impressive regardless of schedule.

If it is so easy, why didn't all of the other middling B1G's do that?

Can you imagine PITT earning 2 10 win seasons in a 4 year period? Hasn't happened since 81/82 (20 wins aggregate). Sometimes I wonder if that feat happens again any time soon.

In my opinion, the big reason for schools like NW, Iowa, Wisconsin and MSU all having big success is primarily because of the void left when OSU, Michigan and State Penn were all struggling. Add in that Nebraska was still recovering from El Stevo and it left a large void to be filled.
 
There is a vocal contingent on our board that feels we should relax admission standards to enable recruiting. I get the sentiment, and perhaps there is an argument for some incremental easing as NU's APR shows near 100% graduation rate. So maybe we can open the door a bit wider without compromising our values. Perhaps.

I am pretty happy with how the program is run. I would never delude myself into thinking that Northwestern "makes" great character. By the time our coaches meet targets, they have already gotten their act together, focused themselves on their studies, trained themselves play college football (though not usually physically ready), and have avoided bad choices. The character is already there. We just filter for it. Playing at NU (or most schools) just raises the stakes. I think you would say the same about PItt.

That said, Fitz has a very short leash when it comes to player conduct. He just shows very little tolerance for miscreants. Thankfully we have not really seen any for a long while.
Underdog Northwestern has long been my favorite Big Ten school. (Next is line is Whoever Plays Penn State.) Your observations echo so many points that could be applied to Pitt Football over the past three decades or so. I cheered the rise of the Wildcats and the day the Purple took Pasadena. I hope NU continues to fight the good fight against Urban, Harbaugh and the rest of the conference. NEVER SELL OUT your standards, Northwestern.
 
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