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Who is going to work at all these new manufacturing plants?

Also, I think we have to keep in mind the principle Henry Ford held. Pay the people who make the cars enough to be able to afford the cars. Other countries need industries too. We can't be so greedy as to think we can make everything. @CJsE made a good point about certain industries being better suited to certain countries.
There should be no expectation that everything will be made or produced in America. Its OK that SE Asia manufactures and sells clothing to the US. They have a competitive advantage over most of the world. Its OK that Brazil grows coffee and Mexico grows avocados and sells them in the US. They have a competitive advantage.

Trump's issue that those products for which we have a competitive advantage are blocked from selling in other countries by protectionist restraints. His goal here is to get those restraints removed or lowered to even the imbalance. His goal is not to bring clothing manufacturing or coffee production or mass avocado crops to the US.
 
Trump was a democrat 30 years ago
No, he wasn't. He was a registered Republican that gave to both parties until 2001. Then switched affiliations, but still kept donating to both parties. Then left the Democratic part in 2009.
 
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There should be no expectation that everything will be made or produced in America. Its OK that SE Asia manufactures and sells clothing to the US. They have a competitive advantage over most of the world. Its OK that Brazil grows coffee and Mexico grows avocados and sells them in the US. They have a competitive advantage.

Trump's issue that those products for which we have a competitive advantage are blocked from selling in other countries by protectionist restraints. His goal here is to get those restraints removed or lowered to even the imbalance. His goal is not to bring clothing manufacturing or coffee production or mass avocado crops to the US.

Then why tariff SE Asia? That's a direct tax on US consumers.
 
True, but we minions who mindlessly warehouse any excess capital we have in mutual funds provide the capital that the controlling investors leverage politically and financially. And we must support them in order to maximize our retirement nest egg.
Then we dare to complain about corporations.

There was a supreme court case Ford vs Dodge which rules a CEO has a duty to his shareholders as opposed to his employees. So, who is who's enemy, really?

Only about 30% of Americans have money in 401ks I think. Zoomers could care less about the stock market. They care about opportunity and compensation.

And, there are always shades of grey. Owning a stock doesn't make you evil in itself. But I think we should look at the larger picture and what kind of Babylonian systems we're being herded into. And where do our real interests lie?
Bringing back pensions would help and not forcing everyone into the market to be able to retire
 
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Bringing back pensions would help and not forcing everyone into the market to be able to retire
I believe 401Ks were established to remove pension funding burdens from big business. They suck as investments and they force members to promote Wall Street interests. It's insidious, but I give them props for their Machiavellianism.

Since our currency is created via fractional reserve banking, we can't just save our money because it is constantly being devalued by inflation. We are forced to put our retirement at risk and it exposes us to government and corporate control.

We are agreeing way too much. Your Dem friends will disown you. 😉
 
No, he wasn't. He was a registered Republican that gave to both parties until 2001. Then switched affiliations, but still kept donating to both parties. Then left the Democratic part in 2009.
Time moves more slowly in Reston.
 
I believe 401Ks were established to remove pension funding burdens from big business. They suck as investments and they force members to promote Wall Street interests. It's insidious, but I give them props for their Machiavellianism.

Since our currency is created via fractional reserve banking, we can't just save our money because it is constantly being devalued by inflation. We are forced to put our retirement at risk and it exposes us to government and corporate control.

We are agreeing way too much. Your Dem friends will disown you. 😉

BP, I gotta say that I am enjoying your posts because you are one of the few on here who has the ability to think critically and don't have that cult mindset.
 
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FYI - hot off the presses. I just received a letter from a top aluminum manufacturer in the US declaring Force Majeure on all of their contracts.

Their rationale is that because Trump imposed these tariffs due to a "national emergency citing national security and economic security" that this falls within their right to declare force majeure.

Fortunately, this doesn't effect me much - my level of business is somewhat small there. But this particular company is a HUGE supplier to Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, Airbus, amongst many, many other large companies.
These companies have no choice. Their costs of business just went way up. They cannot sustain selling their products for less than they cost to make. And I would think their legal argument is sound. Trump did this in response to a national emergency. It must therefore be an emergency. Otherwise the actions would be invalidated.
I would think that we will see this action repeatedly now. Any business operation that has to import materials or goods is going to have costs go up. The costs went up due to the "emergency". Although insurers and others may label all this an "act of God".
 
BP, I gotta say that I am enjoying your posts because you are one of the few on here who has the ability to think critically and don't have that cult mindset.
Yeah, I appreciate that. I have a friend who has been conservative his whole life, won’t vote dem, but hates he current iteration of the Republican Party and agrees it’s moved into borderline fascism.

The issue is so many people don’t really grasp what Trump says, or even care. They find it entertaining. They think it’s funny to own the libs. It’s a game to them.

I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if you still fully support Trump after the last 8+ years I have to truly question your critical thinking ability and what type of person you are.
 
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BP, I gotta say that I am enjoying your posts because you are one of the few on here who has the ability to think critically and don't have that cult mindset.
Thank you kindly.

But trust me when I say there's plenty of cult there. I just keep it in the closet. 🤫
 
Thank you kindly.

But trust me when I say there's plenty of cult there. I just keep it in the closet. 🤫
They don't know that you have had a thorn in your rear about corporations for years.
 
They don't know that you have had a thorn in your rear about corporations for years.
Yeah, but you do. That and GMOs have been pretty much our only squabbles. Maybe some theology but that's incidental. Nobody agrees completely.
 
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Yeah, I appreciate that. I have a friend who has been conservative his whole life, won’t vote dem, but hates he current iteration of the Republican Party and agrees it’s moved into borderline fascism.

The issue is so many people don’t really grasp what Trump says, or even care. They find it entertaining. They think it’s funny to own the libs. It’s a game to them.

I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if you still fully support Trump after the last 8+ years I have to truly question your critical thinking ability and what type of person you are.

I dont really have any respect for anyone who legitimately likes Trump. The guy is a horrible human and an incompetent buffoon. The ONLY correct answer for your vote for Trump is "He is an idiot but he's better than the alternative or he's a moron but I agree some of his economic policies." But to legitimately like the guy, there is something seriously wrong with you. He is THE reason I left the Republican Party. I can't be associated with that type of trash.
 
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FYI - hot off the presses. I just received a letter from a top aluminum manufacturer in the US declaring Force Majeure on all of their contracts.

Their rationale is that because Trump imposed these tariffs due to a "national emergency citing national security and economic security" that this falls within their right to declare force majeure.

Fortunately, this doesn't effect me much - my level of business is somewhat small there. But this particular company is a HUGE supplier to Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, Airbus, amongst many, many other large companies.
Yeah I am being asked by customers about this....I play in the same space and those are some of my bigger accounts. Right now.....my answer to them is..."relax, we are fine with current contracts, we don't know the extent of all of this but in the short term we don't plan any changes and aren't looking at this as something to hold a gun to your head (didn't say that but inferred...) however longer term we don't know. But honestly, longer term is always an unknown in our supply chain."
 
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I dont really have any respect for anyone who legitimately likes Trump. The guy is a horrible human and an incompetent buffoon. The ONLY correct answer for your vote for Trump is "He is an idiot but he's better than the alternative or he's a moron but I agree some of his economic policies." But to legitimately like the guy, there is something seriously wrong with you. He is THE reason I left the Republican Party. I can't be associated with that type of trash.
I like the current version of Trump.
 
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I dont really have any respect for anyone who legitimately likes Trump. The guy is a horrible human and an incompetent buffoon. The ONLY correct answer for your vote for Trump is "He is an idiot but he's better than the alternative or he's a moron but I agree some of his economic policies." But to legitimately like the guy, there is something seriously wrong with you. He is THE reason I left the Republican Party. I can't be associated with that type of trash.
Talk about judgemental and one sided mind set or cult. Even if he was a horrible incompetent buffoon, isn't it possible that he could do something right for our country? You and Joey hold so much hate for the Man that it is impossible for you to view anything he does with an open mind. This country has many problems that are shared by both parties, namely, the debt issue. There has been no one willing to tackle this issue. Every politician to this point has kicked the can down the road endangering the future of our kids and grandkids. I want someone who will make an attempt to solve this countries problems. It is fair to criticize how he goes about it, but, I think it beats turning one's head in the other direction and pretending the problems don't exist.
 
Talk about judgemental and one sided mind set or cult. Even if he was a horrible incompetent buffoon, isn't it possible that he could do something right for our country? You and Joey hold so much hate for the Man that it is impossible for you to view anything he does with an open mind. This country has many problems that are shared by both parties, namely, the debt issue. There has been no one willing to tackle this issue. Every politician to this point has kicked the can down the road endangering the future of our kids and grandkids. I want someone who will make an attempt to solve this countries problems. It is fair to criticize how he goes about it, but, I think it beats turning one's head in the other direction and pretending the problems don't exist.
This is solid.

We have decades of incompetence to correct. That’s not going to happen easily, which is why the can keeps getting kicked down the road. Politicians don’t want to take the risk and lose all of their political capital. His legacy is on the line and I truly feel that’s important to him. He’s swinging for the fences.
 
Talk about judgemental and one sided mind set or cult. Even if he was a horrible incompetent buffoon, isn't it possible that he could do something right for our country? You and Joey hold so much hate for the Man that it is impossible for you to view anything he does with an open mind. This country has many problems that are shared by both parties, namely, the debt issue. There has been no one willing to tackle this issue. Every politician to this point has kicked the can down the road endangering the future of our kids and grandkids. I want someone who will make an attempt to solve this countries problems. It is fair to criticize how he goes about it, but, I think it beats turning one's head in the other direction and pretending the problems don't exist.

You seriously think dotard donny is trying to to solve this country's problems? Lol. Ok. He's trying to stay out of prison and make money off the office. That's it.

If you want compare a W to Obama, that's one thing. Dotard donny is a life-long criminal. He in a whole different category.

Regarding the debt issue. The GOP is largerly responsible for the most of the debt. Clinton and Obama both were reducing the deficit. About $2.5 trillion of Obama's debt inherited and passed under W. Both Obama and Biden were cleaning up the prior administration messes.

 
You seriously think dotard donny is trying to to solve this country's problems? Lol. Ok. He's trying to stay out of prison and make money off the office. That's it.

If you want compare a W to Obama, that's one thing. Dotard donny is a life-long criminal. He in a whole different category.

Regarding the debt issue. The GOP is largerly responsible for the most of the debt. Clinton and Obama both were reducing the deficit. About $2.5 trillion of Obama's debt inherited and passed under W. Both Obama and Biden were cleaning up the prior administration messes.

did you know your chart shows Biden added 8.4 trillion and Donnie 7.8 trillion?
You are truly the dimmest one on this board, Take out the pandemic and Donnie adds about 3.9 trillion. Imagine if donnie didnt have to clean up the previous admins mess.

you cant even correctly defend your ill advised points of view
 
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Talk about judgemental and one sided mind set or cult. Even if he was a horrible incompetent buffoon, isn't it possible that he could do something right for our country? You and Joey hold so much hate for the Man that it is impossible for you to view anything he does with an open mind. This country has many problems that are shared by both parties, namely, the debt issue. There has been no one willing to tackle this issue. Every politician to this point has kicked the can down the road endangering the future of our kids and grandkids. I want someone who will make an attempt to solve this countries problems. It is fair to criticize how he goes about it, but, I think it beats turning one's head in the other direction and pretending the problems don't exist.
Pin this. Well done sir
 
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You seriously think dotard donny is trying to to solve this country's problems? Lol. Ok. He's trying to stay out of prison and make money off the office. That's it.

If you want compare a W to Obama, that's one thing. Dotard donny is a life-long criminal. He in a whole different category.

Regarding the debt issue. The GOP is largerly responsible for the most of the debt. Clinton and Obama both were reducing the deficit. About $2.5 trillion of Obama's debt inherited and passed under W. Both Obama and Biden were cleaning up the prior administration messes.

Uh Obama didn’t come close to reducing the deficit. Holy smokes. Clinton did. Here’s how they rank

So yes. The Rs including Trump were drunken sailors when it came to spending. They are by and large mostly responsible for the deb we have today. With major assists from Obama and Biden


Average Annual Federal Deficit by President (Carter–Trump, pre-COVID)

RankPresidentTerm(s)Avg. Annual Deficit (Billions)
1Barack Obama2009–2016$924
2George W. Bush2001–2008$525
3Donald Trump2017–2019 (pre-COVID only)$882
4Ronald Reagan1982–1989$186
5George H. W. Bush1990–1993$259
6Jimmy Carter1977–1980$61
7Bill Clinton1994–2001-$41 (i.e., average surplus)

 
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did you know your chart shows Biden added 8.4 trillion and Donnie 7.8 trillion?
You are truly the dimmest one on this board, Take out the pandemic and Donnie adds about 3.9 trillion. Imagine if donnie didnt have to clean up the previous admins mess.

you cant even correctly defend your ill advised points of view

What "mess" are you talking about? The longest economic expansion in history?
 
you just arent very good at this
He really isn’t. This guy, JoleneDavid, is so easily fact-checked.

No, Barack Obama did not oversee the largest or longest economic expansion in U.S. history. While the economy did recover and grow during his presidency (2009–2017), particularly after the Great Recession, it was not the largest expansion when measured by key metrics like GDP growth, duration, or overall economic output.

The recovery began in mid-2009, shortly after Obama took office, and continued through his tenure. Real GDP grew at an average annual rate of about 2.1% from 2009 to 2016, according to Bureau of Economic Analysis data. Unemployment fell from a peak of 10% in October 2009 to 4.7% by the end of his presidency. The stock market also saw significant gains, with the S&P 500 roughly doubling during his time in office. These are notable achievements, especially given the severity of the recession he inherited.

However, historical expansions outpace this. For example:

- **Post-World War II Boom (1945–1960s):** The economy saw explosive growth, with real GDP growth averaging over 4% annually in the 1950s, driven by industrialization, suburbanization, and global demand. The 1961–1969 expansion under Kennedy and Johnson averaged 4.9% annual growth and lasted 106 months, one of the longest on record.

- **1990s Expansion (1991–2001):** Under Clinton, this 120-month expansion (the longest in U.S. history) saw real GDP growth average 3.9% annually, fueled by the tech boom and a budget surplus.


- **Great Prosperity (1947–1973):** Some economists point to this broader postwar period as the most sustained era of growth, with rising wages, productivity, and living standards outstripping Obama-era gains.

Obama’s expansion, while steady (92 months of job growth), was slower and less transformative than these periods. Claims of it being the "largest or longest” likely stem from political framing or selective metrics (e.g., stock market gains or job creation totals), but historically, it doesn’t top the list in scale or intensity. Context matters—starting from a deep recession makes the recovery impressive, but not unprecedented.
 
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