who is the most overrated Pittsburgh athlete ever?

[Joe Pa Thetic]

It was because he batted 280 and because for part of that time he had left field fence brought in.
Maybe I'm wrong. But a 280 BA is not a HOF BA.

What? There are guys in the HoF with a career batting average in the .250s and .260s. Mike Schmidt is usually regarded as the greatest third baseman of all time and had a career batting average of .267. There are a bunch of guys in the HoF with a career betting average below .280. That being said, Kiner is not in the HoF because of his batting average. It is completely silly to focus on his batting average while ignoring his power in what was a shortened career.

Ty Cobb and Ted Williams are not the average Hall of Famers when it comes to batting average.

 

[Pitt79]

Rod was a great pocket passer with the Erie River Rats in Arena Football.

https://shawnliotta.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/rutherford-2.jpg

5 Star recruit and first round bust, Jonathan Baldwin or McDonalds All American Khem Birch. It's a toss up to me. Huge promise, undelivered

Khem Birch? No, he was a "Pittsburgh Athlete" for about a month.

 

[Swervin27]

Hey we can debate our personal style preferences of what we like to watch all day... some like Slash, some like Kent Graham. But the point is Kordell Stewart was only "overrated" as a drop back passer... because nobody should have rated him highly for that role in the first place! He had far more talent that was woefully wasted.

nobody liked Kent Graham

 

[Pitt79]

I was a season ticket holder for the Erie arena teams throughout high school (something to do.) Anyways Rod threw a ball away into the crowd once and I happened to catch it and you can keep the ball! Should have got him to sign it.

I saw him play once for Erie, vs. the Baltimore Mariners in Baltimore. I used to go to those games the year the Mariners went 16-0, won the championship and folded, because the team owner embezzeled millions from his job as CEO of a company and spent the money to run the team, LOL!

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

I just looked it up and there are over 30 position players in the Hall of Fame with a career batting average below Kiner's -- among them Roy Campanella, Ernie Banks, Cal Ripken Jr., Eddie Mathews, Willie McCovey, Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, Mike Schmidt and Reggie Jackson.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_batting.shtml

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

nobody liked Kent Graham

And nobody ever rated him as "good" to be considered "overrated". Some of you people need to read a dictionary.

 

[Pitt79]

nobody liked Kent Graham

I think Graham started 2-3 games and Kordell came back. They where shut out opening day by the Ravens. KG was the absolute epitome of the "on the cheap" free agent QB signing.

 

[Swervin27]

I think Graham started 2-3 games and Kordell came back. They where shut out opening day by the Ravens. KG was the absolute epitome of the "on the cheap" free agent QB signing.

am I losing my mind or wasn't there some talk about bringing Dan the Man back to Pittsburgh around that time?

 

[Pitt79]

am I losing my mind or wasn't there some talk about bringing Dan the Man back to Pittsburgh around that time?

I think you're right. I think they also talked about him going to Minnesota, but it never happened. That was 2000, the next year they went 13-3 with Kordell at QB, lost the AFCCG to NE, it might of been interesting if they had signed Dan.

 

[Swervin27]

I think you're right. I think they also talked about him going to Minnesota, but it never happened. That was 2000, the next year they went 13-3 with Kordell at QB, lost the AFCCG to NE, it might of been interesting if they had signed Dan.

that 2001 season, we averaged the exact same yards per game rushing as passing. it was crazy. the difference was like .1 yards or something. I forget the exact number but I want to say 176 yards per game rushing/passing. was about as balanced as you can get...

 

[upj87]

You never heard Bubby Brister being called our next Terry Bradshaw lol.......ok!

Acually, i partied with him many times at confeddi's back in the day. Nice guy, however a VERY over rated QB. Same with Worley

actually, I heard that based on him being a stupid redneck hick much in the Bradshaw vein....never football wise.

 

[BradlyPitt]

You are a bad troll.

you are and always have been a baby on this forum and the other forum

grow up

 

[BradlyPitt]

i am thinking of steelers first round picks

Deon Figures

Huey Richardson

Offside Aaron Jones

Jermaine Stephens......

everybody says and knows they sucked, how can you be overrated when nobody thinks you are good?

 

[Springfield Panther]

Kris Benson and Joggin' George Hendrick

 

[BradlyPitt]

Because you are a complete moron and a troll. HAHAHAHA now you mention Jerome Bettis. Has anyone ever taken you seriously in any aspect of your life?

smart people yes, which is why you don't take me seriously

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Kris Benson and Joggin' George Hendrick

Well Kris Benson for sure. But by the time they got Hendrick, he was a shell of himself. Same with Steve Kemp, Amos Otis and all of the other veteran hacks they acquired during that time frame. They were not overrated, because no one thought much of them at the time. Hell, I was a kid in HS and I thought it was hilarious they were getting them.

 

[BradlyPitt]

This might be the most stupid thread ever. Players who are in the Hall of Fame, Super Bowl stars, and Stanley Cup heroes are being called "overrated"?

Some of you are clueless.

some of you clearly aren't smart enough to understand what "overrated" means

it doesn't mean you suck, it means you get far more credit than you deserve

naming draft busts or players that always sucked is not "overrated", you're naming bad players not overrated players

jerome bettis sucked in the playoffs and was more likable than great, same with marc andre "not his fault" fleury

 

[BradlyPitt]

any chance you guys can stop listing HOFers as being over-rated?

bettis shouldn't be in the hall of fame, he compiled numbers

fleury in the hall of fame LOL you guys clearly don't watch hockey

 

[BradlyPitt]

If your mother was an athlete, I'd go with her. Not as an athlete, but as a mother.

thanks for the compliment

you can't be overrated if you completely suck, she clearly did something right

 

[BradlyPitt]

kordell stewart was never well liked, definitely not overrated with the fans

i think it was a case of the organization being stuck in the 70's thinking you just needed a strong running game and defense to win super bowls, which is why they went about 20 years not drafting a QB in the first round

roethlisberger is overrated, he is very good but never on the same tier as brady, manning, rodgers, or brees

many put him in that tier but he is not, that is why he is overrated

 

[Springfield Panther]

Well Kris Benson for sure. But by the time they got Hendrick, he was a shell of himself. Same with Steve Kemp, Amos Otis and all of the other veteran hacks they acquired during that time frame. They were not overrated, because no one thought much of them at the time. Hell, I was a kid in HS and I thought it was hilarious they were getting them.

True that. Old George had some excellent years with St. Louis. By the time he got to the Pirates he was just about finished. Also, he did not want to be in Pittsburgh and it showed.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Well Kris Benson for sure. But by the time they got Hendrick, he was a shell of himself. Same with Steve Kemp, Amos Otis and all of the other veteran hacks they acquired during that time frame. They were not overrated, because no one thought much of them at the time. Hell, I was a kid in HS and I thought it was hilarious they were getting them.

Hey, don't forget Sixto Lezcano and Ruppert Jones.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Hey, don't forget Sixto Lezcano and Ruppert Jones.

Lee Mazzilli

 

[Pittx9]

kordell stewart was never well liked, definitely not overrated with the fans

i think it was a case of the organization being stuck in the 70's thinking you just needed a strong running game and defense to win super bowls, which is why they went about 20 years not drafting a QB in the first round

roethlisberger is overrated, he is very good but never on the same tier as brady, manning, rodgers, or brees

many put him in that tier but he is not, that is why he is overrated

Why do you ever even try and talk about sports. You just keep making dumber and dumber comments by the second. Ben roethlisberger might be the most underrated player in the league just because you alone give him that little credit. Literally every analyst on every tv station that covers the NFL unanimously agrees he is at the very, very least a top 5 quarterback. But yet again you keep making ridiculously outrageous claims.

Just curious too, if Bettis shouldn't be in the hall of fame, which might actually be the dumbest thing you've said yet, and everything you've said has been a nominee for biggest jackass statement of the year, what exactly did the guy need to do to be suffice for the hall in your eyes other than "compile numbers"?

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Right now, I'd have to say "Startling" Marte.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

some of you clearly aren't smart enough to understand what "overrated" means

it doesn't mean you suck, it means you get far more credit than you deserve

naming draft busts or players that always sucked is not "overrated", you're naming bad players not overrated players

jerome bettis sucked in the playoffs and was more likable than great, same with marc andre "not his fault" fleury

How many ****ing times have I said this in this thread?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Hey, don't forget Sixto Lezcano and Ruppert Jones.

Hence my comment of "all of the other veteran hacks" was made to include those guys.

 

[BradlyPitt]

Why do you ever even try and talk about sports. You just keep making dumber and dumber comments by the second. Ben roethlisberger might be the most underrated player in the league just because you alone give him that little credit. Literally every analyst on every tv station that covers the NFL unanimously agrees he is at the very, very least a top 5 quarterback. But yet again you keep making ridiculously outrageous claims.

Just curious too, if Bettis shouldn't be in the hall of fame, which might actually be the dumbest thing you've said yet, and everything you've said has been a nominee for biggest jackass statement of the year, what exactly did the guy need to do to be suffice for the hall in your eyes other than "compile numbers"?

i talk sports because i know sports better than most, though that's not exactly bragging when talking among people that can't even understand the definition of "overrated"

a better question would be why are you so upset by my thoughts on sports, you must have a very sad life though i am flattered by your interest in my posts, it's creepy but flattering

ben had maybe one season where he was a top 5 quarterback, he has never even been close to an mvp and only one the mvp of his own team once, he's not even close to the quarterbacks i named and several others had a peak season far greater than his best season, his two rings were won with defense he was horrible those seasons and would've missed the playoffs without the great defense

bettis wasn't among the best backs in the league for most of his career, he peaked early and just compiled numbers on a running team without a quarterback padding his career stats, his peak wasn't as good as guys like shaun alexander but he won't get into the hall because he didn't stick around long enough to pad his stats

 

[BradlyPitt]

How many ****ing times have I said this in this thread?

i posted before i saw your post, though maybe it should be said a lot so it sticks inside their pea brains?

OVERRATED DOES NOT MEAN YOU SUCK

 

[Swervin27]

Pisses me off to no end when people use bettis' longevity as a negative. Did someone say he was a compiler? No kidding.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

some of you clearly aren't smart enough to understand what "overrated" means

it doesn't mean you suck, it means you get far more credit than you deserve

naming draft busts or players that always sucked is not "overrated", you're naming bad players not overrated players

jerome bettis sucked in the playoffs and was more likable than great, same with marc andre "not his fault" fleury

No Bettis, no playoffs for the Steelers. Fleury? He can be maddening at times, but no one was more important when the Pens defeated (no, make that upset) Detroit.

 

[PittPanthers90]

Reading through the thread I would have to agree with

Jason Kendall
Only because I don't take wrestling serious enough, if I did then Bruno would top this list

 

[kma0043]

I skipped way ahead and apologize if someone said it already, but Tom Barrasso. Mediocre goalie at best.

 

[Pittx9]

i talk sports because i know sports better than most, though that's not exactly bragging when talking among people that can't even understand the definition of "overrated"

a better question would be why are you so upset by my thoughts on sports, you must have a very sad life though i am flattered by your interest in my posts, it's creepy but flattering

ben had maybe one season where he was a top 5 quarterback, he has never even been close to an mvp and only one the mvp of his own team once, he's not even close to the quarterbacks i named and several others had a peak season far greater than his best season, his two rings were won with defense he was horrible those seasons and would've missed the playoffs without the great defense

bettis wasn't among the best backs in the league for most of his career, he peaked early and just compiled numbers on a running team without a quarterback padding his career stats, his peak wasn't as good as guys like shaun alexander but he won't get into the hall because he didn't stick around long enough to pad his stats

If you were actually a Pitt fan and not a random troll I honestly wouldn't be so outraged by your ludicrous opinions, I would probably just disagree. I will at least give you that you actually do know what the term overrated means, and yeah a lot of others here clearly don't.

But you seriously just decide who you hate, and then go so far off the deep end in your assertions. You seriously just said ben was horrible in both super bowl seasons. Yes, they had a fantastic defense. But first in '05, he was far and away the steelers best player in all 3 playoff games leading up to the super bowl. If the NFL playoffs gave out MVP like the conn smythe in the NFL, it almost certainly would've been roethlisberger. As for team MVP, that means nothing. It's well known ben has a huge ego and it's a team vote, most guys just don't want to vote for him. He tied for the league lead in passing yards a couple years ago, he's been among the league's best for years now. To suggest otherwise is complete nonsense.

Now Bettis, I can actually agree with you on one point about him. His peak wasn't as good as Shaun Alexander, who had a fantastic couple seasons. But we did just see Terrell Davis make the hall of fame with a short but great career. Bettis though was a very unique running back. Clearly speed was not his forte, but he had good speed for how incredibly large he was. Early in his career he was absolutely one of the top backs in the league. Even as late as 2001, he was the league's leading rusher until he got injured. In bettis' case I actually agree with a good bit of your analysis of him, but nothing about that makes him anywhere near overrated. Nobody has ever called him anything other than a hall of fame running back, which is a fact. The guy was an obvious hall of famer.

 

[BradlyPitt]

No Bettis, no playoffs for the Steelers. Fleury? He can be maddening at times, but no one was more important when the Pens defeated (no, make that upset) Detroit.

no playoffs what year?

malkin had 7 points against detroit, fleury was nowhere near the conn smythe conversation

he was sent to the bench in game 5 so how important was he? detroit was seriously banged up, how many time are you guys going to use a nearly decade old game to defend him?

 

[BradlyPitt]

Pisses me off to no end when people use bettis' longevity as a negative. Did someone say he was a compiler? No kidding.

it's not a negative, it just shouldn't be a reason a player makes the hall of fame

 

[BradlyPitt]

If you were actually a Pitt fan and not a random troll I honestly wouldn't be so outraged by your ludicrous opinions, I would probably just disagree. I will at least give you that you actually do know what the term overrated means, and yeah a lot of others here clearly don't.

But you seriously just decide who you hate, and then go so far off the deep end in your assertions. You seriously just said ben was horrible in both super bowl seasons. Yes, they had a fantastic defense. But first in '05, he was far and away the steelers best player in all 3 playoff games leading up to the super bowl. If the NFL playoffs gave out MVP like the conn smythe in the NFL, it almost certainly would've been roethlisberger. As for team MVP, that means nothing. It's well known ben has a huge ego and it's a team vote, most guys just don't want to vote for him. He tied for the league lead in passing yards a couple years ago, he's been among the league's best for years now. To suggest otherwise is complete nonsense.

Now Bettis, I can actually agree with you on one point about him. His peak wasn't as good as Shaun Alexander, who had a fantastic couple seasons. But we did just see Terrell Davis make the hall of fame with a short but great career. Bettis though was a very unique running back. Clearly speed was not his forte, but he had good speed for how incredibly large he was. Early in his career he was absolutely one of the top backs in the league. Even as late as 2001, he was the league's leading rusher until he got injured. In bettis' case I actually agree with a good bit of your analysis of him, but nothing about that makes him anywhere near overrated. Nobody has ever called him anything other than a hall of fame running back, which is a fact. The guy was an obvious hall of famer.

you admit to being outraged, jesus dude i'm embarrassed for you, get a life this isn't that serious

i am a pitt fan though i'm not sure why that makes a difference on how you take my views, that is weird

ben had 17 touchdowns and 9 interceptions in 2005, how is that a difference maker? he almost lost the super bowl himself, that game alone would've prevented him from winning a "conn smythe"

2008 he had 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions, that 2008 defense is so underrated because they carried his fatass while he gets all the credit

he is overrated, never came close to winning shit without a good defense

guys like bettis in the hall waters down the hall, davis was a league mvp and a super bowl mvp and should've been in the hall years ago

 

[Pittx9]

you admit to being outraged, jesus dude i'm embarrassed for you, get a life this isn't that serious

i am a pitt fan though i'm not sure why that makes a difference on how you take my views, that is weird

ben had 17 touchdowns and 9 interceptions in 2005, how is that a difference maker? he almost lost the super bowl himself, that game alone would've prevented him from winning a "conn smythe"

2008 he had 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions, that 2008 defense is so underrated because they carried his fatass while he gets all the credit

he is overrated, never came close to winning shit without a good defense

guys like bettis in the hall waters down the hall, davis was a league mvp and a super bowl mvp and should've been in the hall years ago

It makes a difference because it's a Pitt message board so I have no idea why you come on here for no reason.

 

[Pittx9]

it's not a negative, it just shouldn't be a reason a player makes the hall of fame

You'd think after all these people disagree with everything you said you'd stop pretending you know anything at all.

 

[Pitt79]

some of you clearly aren't smart enough to understand what "overrated" means

it doesn't mean you suck, it means you get far more credit than you deserve

naming draft busts or players that always sucked is not "overrated", you're naming bad players not overrated players

jerome bettis sucked in the playoffs and was more likable than great, same with marc andre "not his fault" fleury

Bettis is 6th in rushing yards all time in NFL history and won a Super Bowl, MAF is 15th all time in goalie wins in NHL history and won two Stanley Cups, that's 2 guys, that far up on the lists, over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of history, how can these people be "overrated"? That's just stupid.