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JokePa said:
How do you read that and surmise he wants a Pitt offer?
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"Neither Pitt nor Penn State has offered, but Hooker wants to convince them and others at camps this summer."

Clearly he'd consider it. IMO
 
Cap pitt said:
He is very good, he is strong, very good hands, makes nice cuts, but, lacks breakaway speed, he is a very good athlete, Marcus is nowhere near the athlete his brother Malik is. I watched them both play football and basketball
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Pitt is nowhere near as good as tOSU, It's a local kid with potential, it's not like 5 stars are knocking on our door to get in.
 
oldpantherfan said:
And what does that have to do with this post ?
And by the way didn't Pitt beat the two (top 10) teams that whipped OSU''s ASS ?
But sure we aren't as good as them.
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OK, don't offer him, he must suck if Mighty Pitt isn't interested, hell, they're challenging for third consecutive 8 win season.
 
Pitt79 said:
Pitt is nowhere near as good as tOSU, It's a local kid with potential, it's not like 5 stars are knocking on our door to get in.
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Yea, what's your point, did OSU offer him? Just because his brother went there and was an all American, probably a 1st round pick, doesn't mean OSU wants Marcus
 
Pitt79 said:
WTF is the problem with some of you? He's a 4 star recruit, you act like offering him is somehow beneath MIGHTY PITT?
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and yet you and many here complain when we win recruiting battles against Toledo and start Terrish Webb and Mike Caprera but you want to offer someone who doesn't have P5 offers just because he's related to a 1st round draft choice?

If you want to hang with the big boys, you have to recruit against them and not settle for the MAC caliber recruits.
 
Slick Manager of Champs said:
and yet you and many here complain when we win recruiting battles against Toledo and start Terrish Webb and Mike Caprera but you want to offer someone who doesn't have P5 offers just because he's related to a 1st round draft choice?

If you want to hang with the big boys, you have to recruit against them and not settle for the MAC caliber recruits.
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Why is he a 4 star recruit then?
 
Pitt79 said:
Just because he's not as good as his brother doesn't mean he isn't good, or good enough for a mediocre program like Pitt that is loaded with 3 star type players.
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Pitt79 said:
Just because he's not as good as his brother doesn't mean he isn't good, or good enough for a mediocre program like Pitt that is loaded with 3 star type players.
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You should change your name to psu 79, sounds like you hate everything about Pitt football
 
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It's a little caca in New Castle for Pitt. They don't exactly prioritize us for top recruits. Dunno if it's a staff thing or wanting payola or what (it's kind of a gangster town). I'd doubt it's a spite thing on our part, ie the older brother didn't give us the time of day so we're spurning the younger brother. We don't have that luxury to play such games. So frankly maybe it's more we don't want the ignominy of being turned down, so we aren't offering.

Actually, no PSU offer is the most telling thing here. New Castle people generally love PSU. He likely would leap on that, especially if no Ohio State offer. If PSU didn't offer, then maybe it's actually the inside general consensus on the kid isn't as high as the rankings.

Where would he play here anyway? We have a bunch of these "athlete" types without a clear position.
 
Revenge Of The Noise said:
It's a little caca in New Castle for Pitt. They don't exactly prioritize us for top recruits. Dunno if it's a staff thing or wanting payola or what (it's kind of a gangster town). I'd doubt it's a spite thing on our part, ie the older brother didn't give us the time of day so we're spurning the younger brother. We don't have that luxury to play such games. So frankly maybe it's more we don't want the ignominy of being turned down, so we aren't offering.

Actually, no PSU offer is the most telling thing here. New Castle people generally love PSU. He likely would leap on that, especially if no Ohio State offer. If PSU didn't offer, then maybe it's actually the inside general consensus on the kid isn't as high as the rankings.

Where would he play here anyway? We have a bunch of these "athlete" types without a clear position.
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Are you from new castle? since you know so much about the people there.
 
Pitt79 said:
Why is he a 4 star recruit then?
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Because guys who do the ratings are sometimes lazy and only look at who his brother is. Maybe he turns out to be a good recruit but thay doesn't appear to be a given.
 
Ill watch my sons 5th grade basketball game, and he is a pretty good player for 5th grade, any day of the week and twice on Saturday and DVR Pitt and watch, with my son, what I missed after his game.

I love Pitt sports, but they don't pay my bills, they don't raise my children, and they don't care if my mortgage gets paid or my son gets injured. Therefore, they will always be second fiddle to my children/real life. Can't say I blame Pitt79 there and label him a PSU fan because he watches his daughter's soccer game.

I'd hope most on this board would do the same. Pitt FB will always be there, my son, Pitt79's daughter have a limited # of games they will participate in and a 99% chance they will never play again after high school.
 
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damase2331 said:
Ill watch my sons 5th grade basketball game, and he is a pretty good player for 5th grade, any day of the week and twice on Saturday and DVR Pitt and watch, with my son, what I missed after his game.

I love Pitt sports, but they don't pay my bills, they don't raise my children, and they don't care if my mortgage gets paid or my son gets injured. Therefore, they will always be second fiddle to my children/real life. Can't say I blame Pitt79 there and label him a PSU fan because he watches his daughter's soccer game.

I'd hope most on this board would do the same. Pitt FB will always be there, my son, Pitt79's daughter have a limited # of games they will participate in and a 99% chance they will never play again after high school.
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Funny Alabama or PSU fans never seem to have soccer matches to go to on Saturdays. Yet fans like you and psu79 will be the first to complain when the Lamont Wades and Terrell Pryors don't sign here citing lack of a big time atmosphere as a reason.
 
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Funny Alabama or PSU fans never seem to have soccer matches to go to on Saturdays. Yet fans like you and psu79 will be the first to complain when the Lamont Wades and Terrell Pryors don't sign here citing lack of a big time atmosphere as a reason.
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The best "atmosphere" for most recruits are great coaches, green (and bling) in the pocket, and championships that will give them higher profiles for (what they all expect) their looming pro careers. I don't believe they give much of a squat of a 40,000 crowd vs. 80,000. It might break a tie down the list (after HC, asst. coach, cash, bling, women, maybe even academics for a select few). But it's not at the top. Unless a fan is a booster supplying you with money, a car or women, players (and coaches and administrators for that matter) hold fans mostly in contempt anyway.
 
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Cap pitt said:
I can understand watching your daughter play before watching pitt, but I see no reason to bash pitt like you do
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Where was the bashing, as far as the national picture they have been a mediocre team for about 35 years, haven't they? Be honest? Or else post smiley faces.
 
If my son doesn't have a game, I am at the Pitt game with my son and our season tickets, however, if his game conflicts with Pitt, its a pretty easy decision. My tickets go to family/friends who are also Pitt fans. Clearly you have no children. You just seem to be picking a battle to be contrarian. I am done with this quack a** debate.
 
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Funny Alabama or PSU fans never seem to have soccer matches to go to on Saturdays. Yet fans like you and psu79 will be the first to complain when the Lamont Wades and Terrell Pryors don't sign here citing lack of a big time atmosphere as a reason.
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OK, then fine, I'll take watching my daughter over a great Pitt team any day, if me going to watch her play in the small window that she will be a soccer player causes Pitt to lose, then let Pitt lose, Some things are more important than Pitt. Although it is BS and stupid if you actually believe that people going to watch their kids play sports over going to a Pitt game is the reason they aren't good.

Even if Pitt was 8-0 and ranked #1 and playing #2 'Bama at Heinz Field on College Game Day on ESPN, I'd still skip it for my daughter's games, But I would DVR it and watch it later, gotta set your priorities. I do in fact know a PSU fan, who lives in Harrisburg, who has a card board cutout of JoePa in his basement and PSU helmets as Christmas tree ornaments, who gave up his season tickets for the last 15 years to spend his Saturdays at his 4 sons soccer games, why isn't the team much worse now?
 
Slick Manager of Champs said:
Funny Alabama or PSU fans never seem to have soccer matches to go to on Saturdays. Yet fans like you and psu79 will be the first to complain when the Lamont Wades and Terrell Pryors don't sign here citing lack of a big time atmosphere as a reason.
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You're not honestly calling the guy out for prioritizing his daughter and family over Pitt home football games, are you?

news flash--Alabama and PSU have a lot more fans than Pitt. Like millions more.

I'm sure fans of those programs who are parents miss plenty of football games while attending their kids' activities. Those schools just have plenty more alums and fans who aren't otherwise occupied to fill their stadiums.
 
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For the most part, I'm sure even the reddest neck hick Alabamians and Nits would put kids' events over game attendance. They just have many more other alum and general fans who don't fall into that category and make up the difference. Plus those programs give more fans more of a reason to put the money and time into going. Penn State should be on Death Penalty and not have a program at all, but they have one, and managed to deliver a conference championship. And of course Bama is Bama (as Ohio State is Ohio State, etc.).

We'll go round and round on this forever but there seems to be a faction that puts the egg ahead of the chicken and others who put the chicken ahead of the egg as far as fan support. I'm in the camp that says, like it or not, Pitt has to deliver (and sustain) winners to get better crowds and more donors and that has to start internally. Success will then spawn external support that, good news, keeps the cycle of winning going ... bigger crowds, better prices and donations for tickets, more revenue, and the school itself spends less and less. But they have to jump start it.

Others, delusional in my view, expect alum and donors to embrace and lavish money on what has shown to be a bumbling loser for much of the last half century and has shown very little inclination toward success. It would be nice if it did work that way. But successful people with meaningful money to donate didn't get there by backing failures (especially ones that want their money but shun their influence, as Pitt has done since the 80's).
 
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Exactly. Fan support, both attendance and money donations will increase AFTER SUCCESS HAPPENS/NOT BEFORE. I might even show up more often. Unless my daughter has a soccer game that day.
 
How the hell do we go from discussing a young man without a Pitt/PSU offer to some on here questioning fans who would prefer to support their own children over attending/watching Pitt football. No wonder this site is void of interesting PITT FOOTBALL topics. People hijack threads like this with potential for legitimate football talk waaaay to frequently in here.

Pitt79..no need to justify supporting your child in her athletic pursuits. I would do the exact same thing with my daughter. Cheers mate!
 
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Rsross21 said:
How the hell do we go from discussing a young man without a Pitt/PSU offer to some on here questioning fans who would prefer to support their own children over attending/watching Pitt football. No one this site is void of interesting PITT FOOTBALL topics. People hijack threads like this with potential for legitimate football talk waaaay to frequently in here.

Pitt79..no need to justify supporting your child in here athletic pursuits. I would do the exact same thing with my daughter. Cheers mate!
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I think because it all comes back to the same argument ... why is the support not there. Everything stems from that.

In this case it started with a kid who doesn't have an offer, possibly because multiple schools don't think as highly of him as his 3rd party ranking, or that neither we nor them know where he might play, etc. Either way, while a nice kid, not likely the type that puts a program over the top...or he would have those offers, and many others.

It could have ended there as many such threads do. Fans being fans we're also remembering he had a much better brother who was from the same school, but didn't give Pitt the time of day. The reasons some cited for that is that Pitt has lousy fan support at games and this was the primary turnoff (I personally contended that isn't as big a factor as the coach, perks, etc.).

Then the debate turned to why people DON'T attend games. Some without kids mocked those who have them and cite "kids events" for not going. Which I'd say happens to an extent at every program but the successful programs have more non-kid fans who are willing to go to make up for it. Which turned to the question in general, why don't we have more overall fans like those programs do? And the answer is obvious, lack of winning. But who is to blame for THAT? Some say Pitt, some say the fans. And that is the 6th degree of separation of this thread, and indeed, just about every other one.
 
This thread is the microcosm of why Pitt is a middle of the pack program. Offer DB's with 4.7 speed and don't go to football games (which take up a wopping 6 or 7 days total a year)
 
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Slick Manager of Champs said:
This thread is the microcosm of why Pitt is a middle of the pack program. Offer DB's with 4.7 speed and don't go to football games (which take up a wopping 6 or 7 days total a year)
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No, actually for me it would take 20+ days a year , because hell no, I'm not driving 4 hours, staying sober, watching the game and driving immediately back, If I can't drink at the tailgate party then go out in Pittsburgh after the game I don't want to go.
 
I actually have missed 2-3 of my daughter's soccer games for Pitt, once I really regretted it, when she was about 10 and that game, she scored 3 goals, saddens me to this day that I missed that for a Pitt game.
 
Pitt79 said:
OK, don't offer him, he must suck if Mighty Pitt isn't interested, hell, they're challenging for third consecutive 8 win season.
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Yes, and offering kids that might not be as talented as others on our list is an excellent way to continue 8-win seasons.
 
Gary77 said:
Yes, and offering kids that might not be as talented as others on our list is an excellent way to continue 8-win seasons.
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The articles speak glowingly of this kid, Several articles, from Ohio and the Trib and he's listed as a 4 star on several sites, so suggesting looking at him is not unreasonable.
 
Pitt79 said:
http://triblive.com/sports/hssports...nger-hooker-marcus-draws-interest-comparisons

His brother is pretty damn good, and it sounds like he'd take a Pitt offer seriously.
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If any other kid had this list of offers, and Pitt didn't offer, would it be a big deal?

West Virginia, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Kent State, Temple, Toledo and Rutgers.

So, why is it a big deal with this kid?

Just because a kid would take a Pitt offer seriously doesn't mean Pitt should take the kid seriously.
 
Pitt79 said:
The articles speak glowingly of this kid, Several articles, from Ohio and the Trib and he's listed as a 4 star on several sites, so suggesting looking at him is not unreasonable.
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I didn't say we shouldn't look at him. I just don't feel the need to offer him, at this time.

That's not to say anything negative about him, but I just don't know if we have better prospects on our board. Many fans of local schools feel we should offer the star(s) of their team, and I understand that, but offers have to be looked at in comparison to other offers at the same position.

If this young man comes to camp and earns an offer I will be as happy as the OP.
 
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