Two are P5, it would be funny if he became an All American at WVU. I say that just because so many of you are falling all over yourselves to defend Pitt for not offering him.
Why doesn't Pitt offer this kid...
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Two are P5, it would be funny if he became an All American at WVU. I say that just because so many of you are falling all over yourselves to defend Pitt for not offering him.
WVU has offered him, and they have been a superior program for years. Saying that doesn't make me a Hoopie or a Nitter. because it's the truth.
It seems to me to be just the opposite. You seem to want to plant the, "I told you so, seed", because you are the one who brought it to the board.
the star rankings are pretty much based on offer sheets
it doesn't take an eye for talent to look at an offer sheet and see one kid has offers from every bog school in the country, the other has offers from Mac schools and maybe Pitt and then decide the kid with more offers should have more stars
Maybe? The "idea" of looking at this guy is not stupid or outrageous, he has P5 offers, and people come on here and make fun of me for suggesting it? That's BS. Maybe I would like to say "I told you" so later? Why not? Workout numbers and 40 times aren't always the only predictors of a good player? Maybe he's worth a look, watch his videos. The bottom line is, asking about Pitt looking at him is not stupid or unreasonable, and that's how some of these posters have treated it.
I am not "so sold on him", I just wondered why Pitt wasn't looking at him too, WVU has been a better P5 program than Pitt-yes they have been, you can't deny it, winning at a higher level, and they are on him. It's not like he's a D3 level player. I watched the videos on the article attached, he looked good there. So exactly what is wrong with my asking about Pitt looking into him? It's not in any way a stupid suggestion, it's totally reasonable. So what's your issue with it?
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Maybe because they are totally ****ed with their priorities. Remember the PSU parent who disowned his son when he decided to play football at Pitt??
Yeah, I'll right this down. Remember it, and will definitely come back and post it if this kid becomes a starter at WVU or an NFL draft pick, that will be fun. Thanks for the suggestion.
really owt? What's wrong with making Pitt Football a priority? I'm not even talking PITTLAW levels of support. There are 6 or 7 home games a year. How hard is that? I mean unless you are the head coach of the soccer team, but to just sit in the stands and watch every game? There are 360 other days of the year to earn your father of the year stripes.
And yet you bemoan how mediocre we are compared to Penn State. There are certain things winning programs do to win. And going to games is one of them.
Hey I respect the prognostication. I'll even buy you the beer for your annual trip to Heinz should Marcus become a star someday
. You might be right on this one, but chances are no.Once again, Pitt' s problem isn't that too many soccer dad and moms choose their kids games over attending Pitt games. Pitt has an ample enough potential student body, alum and regional fan base that enough other people without kids could make for very nice crowds. But the product has to be appealing to attract them ... and it has to be appealing consistently. Not by delivering one solid win every 5 years or so (and seemingly always on the road at that) amid dozens more disappointing losses and off season disasters that greatly reduce appeal.
Nobody can deny that after the Clemson game, after the first reaction of shock and awe, and maybe even the second reaction of, gee maybe I'll check out next week's game, that the third reaction was very likely, but they'll probably blow the next game. Plus, damn, too bad they blew those Ok St and Unc games earlier this year, they'd be set up for the conference championship or major bowl. Which then likely diminished the initial interest to attend.
Because nearly 40 years of this kind of history produces such thinking.
But it's basically a limited time thing for most kids. The vast majority in fact, only 2.3% of high school girl soccer players end up playing D1-on average they only get 34% of a scholarship, very few full rides, only 9.6% play at any college level. Most kids aren't going to go D-1 or become Carly Lloyd or LeBron James. Most kids are going to play rec league and club league and maybe high school and that's it, 6-8 maybe 10 years and it's over, then they'll get to the point that they can't crack the next level and it's done-I'm pretty certain my own daughter won't go on to play in college-but I'm not dedicated to watching her because she's great, I'm dedicated to watching her BECAUSE SHE'S MINE, and I'm proud she made it this far, 3-4 years ago, I didn't think she could crack the high school team and she did-most of the kids she used to play with are done already, so how can I miss this to watch a bunch of kids I don't know play for Pitt, after this they get a part time job and go on to college or something else, instead of playing any sport and it's over, nothing left but a few trophies, pictures and memories. Then after that, you have another half a lifetime to go to Pitt games if you want. To be honest, myself, I'll probably just stick with the 1-2 games per year, that's basically my level of interest as far as making the trip to Pittsburgh to attend games. But still, I have the right to make any comments I please about Pitt sports programs, you don't have to attend games to have the right to give opinions.
Don't ever defend your decision to invest in your kid first. Only guys with no kids or deadbeats are going to see you as wrong.
I have kids and am not a deadbeat. all my kids played baseball, soccer, etc. Plenty of other events to see when I miss one for a Pitt game. as I posted, you have 360 other days to get your parenting stripes.
But I'm sure you were the first one here to whine about Wade or Sanders picking PSU. And Wades main criteria for picking PSU was that PSU was more "big time". The only thing more big time about PSU is their crowds as their record is not much different than ours.
I'd lie to know where does all this arrogance come froim that Pitt shouldn't or is to good it a kid who is so called " Ma c Caliber ".
While Pitt was getting spanked and freezing in New York a " MAC" team was playing in the cotton bowl.
If this recruit fits Narduzzi will offer, especially after a camp. I don't care who PSU recruits. just because they don't offer doesn't mean he isn't a good player
Forget all this star ratings and conference caliber BS. Narduzzi is a great coach and will go after and get the players best fro him and his system AND WIN !!!
People should stop acting like we are above anyone until we beat someone (though I most admit PSU and Clemson in one season is a great start).
While Pitt was getting spanked and freezing in New York a " MAC" team was playing in the cotton bowl.
If this recruit fits Narduzzi will offer, especially after a camp. I don't care who PSU recruits. just because they don't offer doesn't mean he isn't a good player
Forget all this star ratings and conference caliber BS. Narduzzi is a great coach and will go after and get the players best fro him and his system AND WIN !!!
People should stop acting like we are above anyone until we beat someone (though I most admit PSU and Clemson in one season is a great start).
Not at all. I congratulated both on social media. Been in their shoes and they could have done a lot worse.
I think Pitt79's point is that he's not in town. Frankly, I'm not either. It's too darn far to travel to a game and I will pick family over games any day. Sorry. Didn't mean to offend but it's your call how you parent. That's the point.
I don't feel like I owe an explanation, but I really want to express this. I also feel it's ridiculous to blame the fans for the team not being good. The reality is, if you have a fan, like me, who lives 4 hours away and religiously comes every year to 1-2 games, you should praise that person, not hate on them for not suspending their lives 6-7 times a year to come to every single game, it's ridiculous.
If you want bigger crowds, WIN MORE, it's like the chicken or egg thing. To me, if you fill a stadium consistently for a bad team, that won't make the team better necessarily, Cleveland Browns average 66K per game for years. But if Pitt wins, they might average 55K instead of 40K and that would be good enough to give it a big time atmosphere.
That's your choice, I respect that, do what you want- I don't complain and demand that you pay attention to your kids more than Pitt sports. I work with a guy that's missed every single event of any kind of his son's life to play golf 7 days a week-he's never been to EVEN ONE of his kids sports events. I think it's sad, but I never told him that, do what you want. My dad always worked 7 days a week and maybe came to like 5-6 of my games ever.
And I've never whined about people picking other schools for being more "big time", because THEY ARE as far as things like stadium and attendance. And NO, I'm not going to show up to every game and make it the priority of my life, so some high school kid will think Pitt is more "big time", The truth is, if they WIN MORE, then AFTER THAT, more people will come and it will seem more big time. That's how it works, make the product exciting FIRST and then demand to show up comes AFTER. When it's a hot ticket it becomes BIG TIME.
No offense taken at all. My point is if you are a fan, go to the games. A friend from college in our season ticket group has kids, lives in Illinois and still makes it to at least 2 or 3 games a year. When he doesn't go, he makes sure someone is sitting in his seat.
This discussion absolutely does not happen on BWI, Clemson, O$U, or any other winning program. There fans show rain or shine.....you think it is all just single people with no kids filling their stands? If you want to compete with these programs, it takes sacrifice from everyone. Not just sitting back and commenting like Pitt79 wondering why Pitt doesn't do more. Well you are Pitt and should be doing more if you want a winning program.
The most offensive part of the attending games argument by those that think you're not a true fan if you aren't at EVERY GAME, is this idea, that I have to dedicate my entire life, to filling the stadium every game, just so some high school kids will be impressed that the stadium is full! LOL! If it's not "big time" enough go elsewhere, don't expect me to drop everything in my own life to rush down to Heinz Field every week to make some high school kids I don't even know happy and impressed.
To me, being a true fan just means watching all the games, usually on TV, and going when I can and when I want to. It also means, I can comment and discuss what's going on and I am not responsible to do anything more than what I just said, watch games and go to a few WHEN I WANT TO. That's what a fan is. If they can't have a winning program with fans like me, then nobody can. In reality I am sure the VAST MAJORITY of most college teams fan bases are PEOPLE LIKE ME, who do what I do. maybe they just have bigger numbers to draw on and since they win, they have more of the OVERLY OBSESSED who are dedicated to get there every single time.
Then don't expect Pitt to sign those recruits and get Marcus Hooker instead of Lamont Wade and be happy with 8-5 versus 10-2.
No, I can still post and complain about what Pitt does, me not coming to EVERY SINGLE GAME doesn't absolve them of THEIR RESPONSIBILTY to make the team good. IMO opinion, they should be happy and praise me for religiously getting to 1-2 games EVERY YEAR. I know MANY, MANY, MANY Pitt alumni, who watch games and root for Pitt who haven't been to a game in 20 years.
So it is Pitt's responsibility? And I suppose there is a magic printing press to get money for all the missing revenue on the empty seats at Heinz? How do you propose making the team good? Giving Matt Canada more money would have been a great one, but alas no money due to empty seats.
This is the dumbest argument, Pitt can't be good, because their fans won't come to every single game, every week, every year. Most Penn State and tOSU and WVU fans that I know, and I know large numbers of those fans, NEVER or VERY RARELY go to a single game-way less than me, yet wear the gear and boast. So yeah, they have multitudes more alumni, so the mental cases, the super obsessed are a bigger number for them, so that along with winning and lack of an iconic all time great pro team in their hick towns fills their stadiums.
Fans don't have any responsibility to do anything beyond root for the team. Me? I go to games every year, at least one, sometimes two. That's 15-25% of the home games every season, I am there, so IMO I do enough as a fan. And yes, I have the right to say whatever I want, In fact I go to more games than the VAST MAJORITY of Pitt fans, if people not going is the problem you make it out to be, you should THANK ME FOR COMING when I do and seek out the others who never come and complain to them.
I fill some of those seats EVERY YEAR, so I do my part. Call out some of the fans who never go.
yes, you do slightly above minimum. Congrats. It is better than nothing. As Pitt fans I guess that's what we have to expect....slightly above minimum.
tOSU, PSU, Michigan, ND, 'Bama... the MAJORITY of their fans, go to less games than me. It's not my fault that they're in hick towns with nothing else going on and they have millions more fans.
That concept is lost on this board. We'd rather talk about tarps.
yes this is true, but it is a chicken-egg scenario. Especially in a pro town. You need to win to attract the casual fans, but you need recruits to win, and recruits don't want to play in a perceived small time atmosphere due to no fans/empty seats.
This is actually something me and 79 agree on. Schedule should be as easy as possible to maximize number of potential wins. More wins equal Top 25 ranking equal better attendance. Playing Oklahoma State at Heinz will not move the attendance needle much if at all.
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