Why Franklin Is At Cross Roads Of A Hot Seat Or Driver's Seat, LINKS!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Three Articles on showing why Penn State's James Franklin in his 3rd Year may need another 1 to 3 Years to be able to compete with the Big Ten Bests? This 2016 years has not one mention of any Penn State name anywhere.

They also show, the Recruiting levels although good are still behind other Big Ten Programs that are doing better with Recruiting and Coaching. A bad year of 5-7, 6-6, and 7-6 could still not end up with an Extension for Franklin. I know many PSU Fans based on High Expectations are thinking it will turn around in 2016.

Yet, if it doesn't......Franklin without an Extension will be weaker in recruiting as well. Pitt rise in the ACC and with Narduzzi looks better for 2016 and beyond.

Big-10 Predictions, Penn State Light To No Mention = No Extension + Hotseat:
Good News Penn State was not named as one of the Big Ten Overrated Team. The Bad News Penn State was not named as Most Underrated Teams either? The In Between News, Franklin has to play and beat Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, Iowa, and Michigan State all mentioned in the Predictions and 7-5 if Franklin fails. add in Pitt & Temple, a 5-7 Year won't endear Franklin to anyone.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...errated-underrated-predicted-order-of-finish/

Best Big Ten Head & Assistant Coaches, plus Offensive, Defensive, Newcomer Players & Most Entertaining does include any Penn State’s name either.
Bad News comes in waves right now as not one Penn State Top 20 Recruiting Classes still is absent of one name in predicting Big Games in Big Ten this year? Additionally, OSU, Michigan, and MSU have Higher Rankings, Players and better Coaches that won 10-10+ Games! As well as, other Programs in the Big Ten in Iowa, Wisky, NW, UMD, RU, and Nebraska not doing too bad either.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...atives-and-awards-rating-players-and-coaches/

Penn State Makes 5-Star Recruit's Top 5; Lions May Be Years Away From Competing For Big Ten East, And More:
Excerpt:
Depth is improving in State College, Pennsylvania. James Franklin has a full allotment of 85 scholarships. The problem? A lot of the roster is young. The roster is dominated by freshmen and redshirt freshmen. Check this out: 49 players on the roster are either true or redshirt freshman (24 true, 25 RS). This program still may be 1-3 years from competing for the title in the rugged Big Ten East.
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...e_makes_5-star_recrui.html#incart_river_index

This is both good news so many Redshirts are ready to play for 2016, 2017, and 2018. The Bad News is that is true for OSU, Michigan, MSU, Iowa, UMD, Wisky, NW, Nebraska, and Pitt too, all on the PSU Schedule in those coming years too?

So, Franklin must survive 2016, win 8 wins in 2017 or more, and win 9 to 10 more in 2018, and that is up against some Elite & Great Coaches and Programs already ahead of Penn State in OSU, Michigan, and MSU, and others Rebuilding and continue to improve Recruiting in Pitt, UMD, Rutgers, WVU, and ACC too.

Nonetheless, Penn State Hopes, Prayers, and Fears rest completely on Franklin's Coaching and if Jimmy Franks can win 9 to 10 games, he is in a Drivers Seat, if not Franklin may not be a Nittany Liars like some before him, but his Pants will be on Fire without an Extension and outright Flame Out in 2016 with 5 Wins?

 

[bayardstreet]

He will survive another bad year or mediocre year because his AD has already bought in to the crying. She doesn't have the stones to dump him. Her job should be on the line also because she isn't qualified to run that program.

If Pitt beats PSU and then they lose to either Rutgers or Maryland then it is going to get real ugly in state college.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"bayardstreet, post: 1508135, member: 40144"]He will survive another bad year or mediocre year because his AD has already bought in to the crying.
Good point, with one caveat....if Franklin loses to Michigan, OSU, Iowa, and MSU I can go with you on that point.

She doesn't have the stones to dump him. Her job should be on the line also because she isn't qualified to run that program.
However, if Franklin loses to Pitt's Pat Narduzzi and Temple's Matt Rhule, this is bigger problem to overlook, and certainly not an Extension Type of Move known at Penn CheapStates University! They are still very upset they are paying $4.5 Million where Paterno was getting $500,000?

If Pitt beats PSU and then they lose to either Rutgers or Maryland then it is going to get real ugly in state college.
Agree, and that goes for Temple, Indiana, and Minnesota too, should RU & UMD become PSU Wins?
4-8...Gone Without Wins!
5-7.....Maybe Saved By A Pitt Win!
6-7.......Not Good As Seen By No Extension?
7-6.........Oh Please Not Again For A Third Time?
8-5..........Franklin Gets High Five But No Extension!
9-4............Please Sign Extension Line Or James Is Gone!
10 or More.....Penn State Forevermore & Paterno Is An After Fart!

 

[chethejet]

Actually PSU next year 2017 is in the position Pitt is this year, Pitt is better deeper and more athletic but the schedule is tougher. In 2017 PSU schedule is hands down the toughest in many years.They may be better but the schedule may limit the record. Away Iowa. Northwestern, OSU and MSU. Home Pitt Michigan and Nebraska. also Maryland away may be a tough game as well.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I can think of 4.4 million reasons he is safe this year!

 

[yourhired]

Your correct 9 (4.4) goes a long way however with that being said he could be in deep trouble if they have a losing season which is a distinct possibility. We'll see if those big shot alums are willing to buy him out. I just don't see anyone jumping up and down wanting the PSU job. The PSU job has lost it's luster just like the Southern Cal job

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I would rather live in SCal that Centre County sooooooo

Your correct 9 (4.4) goes a long way however with that being said he could be in deep trouble if they have a losing season which is a distinct possibility. We'll see if those big shot alums are willing to buy him out. I just don't see anyone jumping up and down wanting the PSU job. The PSU job has lost it's luster just like the Southern Cal job

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"chethejet, post: 1508282, member: 4178"]Actually PSU next year 2017 is in the position Pitt is this year, Pitt is better deeper and more athletic but the schedule is tougher.
Agree, but still going up against Meyers, Harbaugh, Dantonio, Narduzzi, Fitzgerald, Ferentz, Riley and Ash & Durkin should be better too? Tough Coaches to win against?
In 2017 PSU schedule is hands down the toughest in many years.They may be better but the schedule may limit the record. Away Iowa. Northwestern, OSU and MSU. Home Pitt Michigan and Nebraska. also Maryland away may be a tough game as well.
Yep, Franklin will have his QB back, all his skill Players, Moorhead system down and Limegrover & Pry OL and Defense.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Your correct 9 (4.4) goes a long way however with that being said he could be in deep trouble if they have a losing season which is a distinct possibility. We'll see if those big shot alums are willing to buy him out. I just don't see anyone jumping up and down wanting the PSU job. The PSU job has lost it's luster just like the Southern Cal job

Swann will have USC back in no time!

 

[pittdan77]

Franklin was the backup option if O'Brien couldn't be kept happy. Only took them about a week and a half to hire him. He's also the former AD's guy. Also, they have the cash to dump him and $4.4 million won't stop them. Big donors are impatient.

But I don't see him gone before 2018 unless it's on his terms. They're plenty happy to cite sanctions and negative recruiting and whatever else is convenient for now.

Also, don't discount Franklin jumping ship on his own using the same sanction and recruiting excuses.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"pittdan77, post: 1509344, member: 3668"]Franklin was the backup option if O'Brien couldn't be kept happy. Only took them about a week and a half to hire him. He's also the former AD's guy. Also, they have the cash to dump him and $4.4 million won't stop them. Big donors are impatient.
Agree, and more happening as we post right now and touched on your Donor Impatience last year, just did not ID them..

There is now a Perfect Storm forming bringing much to end and then mending the divisions meshing together among the Trustees.

1. The Unsealing of the Victim's Voices Allegations on what Paterno knew and when he knew is coming out now on some aspects of the Sandusky (Going On This Week), PCR, then Civil Lawsuits Resolutions and Criminal Charges End Game.
2. The AG Kane Conviction also has caused changes since it was some PSU Donors involved with that aspect of her election and subsequent investigation that impacted on the Judiciary Statewide is now over and that OAG will be under Strawberry Square Leadership again.
3. The Money is not a problem when PSU wants to make any changes they have it and can turn easily to another Coach from PSU Alumni Ranks, but the Storms are just forming and 2016 Record along with the above Clouds in 1 & 2, will be coming together by seasons end.

But I don't see him gone before 2018 unless it's on his terms. They're plenty happy to cite sanctions and negative recruiting and whatever else is convenient for now.
Very true, but a 5-7 or 9-3 can sway that either way without or with an Extension in 2017 and after many resolutions listed above.

Also, don't discount Franklin jumping ship on his own using the same sanction and recruiting excuses.
This is the point, Franklin's career is on the line here, and if feels he made a mistake and did not fully comprehend how the Penn State 2012 Reforms prevent him to beating the Big-10 Big Three East, OSU, Michigan and MSU, in 2016, it just gets harder in 2017? He will be doing what O'Brien did, look for a way out.

 

[pittdan77]

He will be doing what O'Brien did, look for a way out.

O'Brien really wasn't seeking to get out. He just didn't like the constraints he had to deal with. Pretty well known that he and Joyner couldn't work together. Had BOB come in with a different AD, he'd probably still be there.

The irony there is, BOB would have this program threatening to be at least #2 in the B1G East by now, had he stayed.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"pittdan77, post: 1509767, member: 3668"]O'Brien really wasn't seeking to get out.
He just didn't like the constraints he had to deal with.
Speaking to the choir!

Pretty well known that he and Joyner couldn't work together. Had BOB come in with a different AD, he'd probably still be there.
Agree, and I think he is having buying remorse going to Houston. If he would had stay at PSU and with reduced Sanctions, he could have been there forever!

The irony there is, BOB would have this program threatening to be at least #2 in the B1G East by now, had he stayed.
Agree again, and i did not read this line until I put up my own above. He would have taken on the Cult with ease as well without embracing it.

 

[chethejet]

O'Brien has zero remorse. He has what he always wanted and PSU was never going to be anything but a resume builder for the NFL. Joyner misrepresented the depth of the sanctions and basically lied to him and his reps. The contract adjustment after his first year was a concession to that fact. PSU has over 50 years of paterno's lies and deceit to hide. The insurer has a bevy of lawyers to do discovery and find all the relative issues in the case. Paterno's enablers never dreamed this would happen. Sandusky blew the lid off the University and it's defending the paterno regime at all costs. Drip drip drip.

 

[zwicker]

O'Brien really wasn't seeking to get out. He just didn't like the constraints he had to deal with. Pretty well known that he and Joyner couldn't work together. Had BOB come in with a different AD, he'd probably still be there.

The irony there is, BOB would have this program threatening to be at least #2 in the B1G East by now, had he stayed.

Wrong and wrong. Obrien is a mercenary. He was not staying either way. He is already having problems with the GM in Houston and was leaking stories he was interested in the UMaryland job.

You probably did not get the memo but Obrien only won 7 games in 2013 with 3-4 sanction recruits starting. Franklin started 16 last year. JF had less talent on the field and won just as many games.

If JF does not last then PSU will hire another big coach. IF Nardogg does a good job maybe we will even flip him. That is the way it works.


PSU > pitt. Money talks.

 

[zwicker]

He will survive another bad year or mediocre year because his AD has already bought in to the crying. She doesn't have the stones to dump him. Her job should be on the line also because she isn't qualified to run that program.

If Pitt beats PSU and then they lose to either Rutgers or Maryland then it is going to get real ugly in state college.

And when PSU beats Pitt it will get ugly in the Burgh.

 

[pittdan77]

JF had less talent on the field and won just as many games.

Wow...okay...

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

O'Brien has zero remorse. He has what he always wanted and PSU was never going to be anything but a resume builder for the NFL. Joyner misrepresented the depth of the sanctions and basically lied to him and his reps. The contract adjustment after his first year was a concession to that fact. PSU has over 50 years of paterno's lies and deceit to hide. The insurer has a bevy of lawyers to do discovery and find all the relative issues in the case. Paterno's enablers never dreamed this would happen. Sandusky blew the lid off the University and it's defending the paterno regime at all costs. Drip drip drip.

Good Info!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"zwicker, post: 1510055, member: 40655"]Wrong and wrong.
I read some of your posts you know your Football and I respect it. However, you are wrong thinking PSU has Swagger that was a big PSU Myth along with Success but not at all honor as claimed. Get used to it, PSU Fans should know better by now!

Obrien is a mercenary. He was not staying either way. He is already having problems with the GM in Houston and was leaking stories he was interested in the UMaryland job.
Sorry, this view has too many Cult Like Nittany Lies and can't be taken seriously.

You probably did not get the memo but Obrien only won 7 games in 2013 with 3-4 sanction recruits starting. Franklin started 16 last year. JF had less talent on the field and won just as many games.
O'Brien lost some mighty fine Talent that went elsewhere due to Sanctions. Roster Sizes were bigger for Franklin and at least O'Brien beat some Ranked Teams?

Once again, you suffer from Nittany Lies that lacks Pride now? Also, O'Brien won with a First Year QB and made him Top Big Ten Freshmen of the year? Franklin got an experience QB and won less games with him?

If JF does not last then PSU will hire another big coach.
I agree, and it will be a good one.

IF Nardogg does a good job maybe we will even flip him.
Once again, you need some Rehab from believing too many Nittany Liars on BWI! Thanks for acknowledging Narduzzi would be in demand at PSU, that shows you may be on the Road to Recovery!

That is the way it works.
Maybe under a Penn State Football Program under a Paterno Error, but not anymore since the Penn State 2012 reforms won't allow any Coach be without Oversight, the University & Real Athletic Integrity comes first now, not the Coach that thought he was above both, and that is how it works now? Get use to having to be in compliance now without sanctions caused by Paterno!

PSU > pitt. Money talks.
Paterno Error$ - Penn State Payout$ = PSU Shame & Name!
PITT + Narduzzi = Pitt Success & You Are Upset!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

And when PSU beats Pitt it will get ugly in the Burgh.

"WHEN" is the key word, it hasn't happen this century! LOL!

In the meantime, enjoy the game again, and glad O'Brien OK it!

 

[steelhead52]

Obviously the pressure is building on Franklin. Fans aren't patient. However the reality is simple. When O'Brien was there he still had talent. Three of the OL went to the NFL. Hackenberg also had the number 1 receiver in the Big 10. O'Brien left when his stock was high - good move. You don't win in the Big 10 or anywhere for that matter without a reasonable OL. Example, Hackenberg was sacked 103 times in three seasons - worst in the country. Number 2 in the country was USC's QB - What did they have in common? Both teams had an OL decimated by sanctions. I don't know how Penn State will do this year. They still don't have a lot of experienced talent on the OL. I think Franklin's job is very safe if he shows improvement this year and the team looks like its making progress even with a crappy record. Like Pitt, that is still a very young team - 65% of their team has less than Jr. status. 2017 will be a much better picture for them. Their recruiting will allow them to compete with everyone in the Big 10 next year except OSU who is recruiting at a different level than everyone not named Alabama. I really would be very, very careful before calling Franklin only a figure head, salesman coach. His offensive X and O's really are much better than his many detractors realize and this year will start to show glimpses as the OL slowly gets restructured. He is beginning to get his type of players in place. I'm only posting this because I think its reality. I love discussing football and the message board banter is great, but sometimes the name calling and drama goes overboard and a realistic picture is missed.

 

[raleighpanther]

PSU's next coach will be better than Franklin. Which is why many of us are hoping he wins just enough to keep his job.

Regarding O'Brien, he left because he always wanted an NFL HCing job and one opened up, and because he knew things were going to get tougher at Penn State. He amazingly was able to recruit a few skill players, including a QB, to keep things respectable, but he recruiting nothing on the OL, and we saw how badly the OL was once the older guys left.

Franklin has recruited better OL talent, but unfortunately for him, OL players take the longest to develop. Hard to win with an OL that is that bad. That said, he has only himself to blame for being wedded to a system, much the way RichRod was when he went to Michigan. RR tried to run his system with players who weren't built for it, failed miserably, and was fired before he could turn it around. Similarly, Franklin took a slow, big armed pro style QB, who'd show some success as a true frosh, and tried to run what Hack called a college offense. He ruined the QB and had a bad offense for two years because he stubbornly ran his system rather than using one that played to his players strengths.

Now he's brought in a OC with a somewhat similar style to his own, and presumably, he's recruiting the players to play in this system. But the jury will remain out on the new OC for awhile. PSU fans think he is great because he's been successful in the past, but that success came at places like Fordham and Georgetown. He has never once coached at a P5 school. Until he shows that his offense works against the defenses of Harbaugh, Dantonio and Meyer, his OC abilities at this level and the viability of his system will remain unknown.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Some nit wit comes on our site to say if Ped st pays Duzz twice what we pay him then he will leave. Print some more world campus diplomas.

 

[steelhead52]

PSU's next coach will be better than Franklin. Which is why many of us are hoping he wins just enough to keep his job.

Regarding O'Brien, he left because he always wanted an NFL HCing job and one opened up, and because he knew things were going to get tougher at Penn State. He amazingly was able to recruit a few skill players, including a QB, to keep things respectable, but he recruiting nothing on the OL, and we saw how badly the OL was once the older guys left.

Franklin has recruited better OL talent, but unfortunately for him, OL players take the longest to develop. Hard to win with an OL that is that bad. That said, he has only himself to blame for being wedded to a system, much the way RichRod was when he went to Michigan. RR tried to run his system with players who weren't built for it, failed miserably, and was fired before he could turn it around. Similarly, Franklin took a slow, big armed pro style QB, who'd show some success as a true frosh, and tried to run what Hack called a college offense. He ruined the QB and had a bad offense for two years because he stubbornly ran his system rather than using one that played to his players strengths.

Now he's brought in a OC with a somewhat similar style to his own, and presumably, he's recruiting the players to play in this system. But the jury will remain out on the new OC for awhile. PSU fans think he is great because he's been successful in the past, but that success came at places like Fordham and Georgetown. He has never once coached at a P5 school. Until he shows that his offense works against the defenses of Harbaugh, Dantonio and Meyer, his OC abilities at this level and the viability of his system will remain unknown.

I totally agree with your excellent analysis except maybe perhaps the issue with stubbornly sticking to a system. I believe that their OL was so bad that Franklin probably had no other options really. Certainly there was no other QB on the roster who could start. You are right however that only time will tell how Moorehead will do and it certainly won't be an instant fix for sure.

One question I have though is if your defense practices everyday against the spread, does it make it a lot harder to play smash mouth defense against a power running team?

 

[medixman]

Anyone with an once of football knowledge knows Franklin is not on the hot seat.But because it makes for good reading please keep on discussing it.I especially like when the Captain chimes in with his expertise on Psu and the Paterno Crimes and that Paterno disgraced Psu.Keep it up guys it entertains me between senior softball tournaments and the start of hunting season.Remember guys watch what you wish for about Franklin staying at PSU,you all want him to be there so you can humiliate Psu the next 4 years.Good luck with that scenario at best your going 3-1 with Psu and the win must be this year,forget beating James the next 3!Now my buddy Holgy is on a very warm seat at WVU but James in State College has a pass for two more years.And contrary to popular belief he's a pretty good coach,wait and see!Try calling plays with that sieve of an o-line O'Brian left him with,you can't win with no o-line.But the problem is fixed starting next year,get your digs in now because James is going to school you the next 3 years.bwdik

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Some nit wit comes on our site to say if Ped st pays Duzz twice what we pay him then he will leave. Print some more world campus diplomas.

When USC was looking for a New Head Coach, i noticed a Zwick from BWI posted that Narduzzi would be a great fit for the Trojans...Me Thinks That Is A Compliment To Pitt And Sign of Fear For Some Smart PSu Posters? I go to USC Trojan Board often and love their Program.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"medixman, post: 1511504, member: 28301"]Anyone with an once of football knowledge knows Franklin is not on the hot seat.
Hmmmnnn... you lack such knowledge so explain why No Extension? Meyers, Dantonio, Rhule, and even Harbaugh & Narduzzi got Extensions in their first year?

I don't care if he succeeds or leaves, i just posted the Article's above to be shared on the Lair that care about it. Whether Franklin is on the Hot Seat or Driver's seat those links ponder others to think?! You own assumptions assumed the Hot Seat and that is on you.

But because it makes for good reading please keep on discussing it.
Well the MEdia as seen in Links are discussing it not just the Lair, BWI talks about it too? Tell that to CBS Sports, PennLive, Onward State, and other media that wrote about it, including Franklin ow nPress Confetrence's himself?

Please explain while you are at it, why Franklin has 4 New Coaches in 4 New Positions this year? Be Careful I have Links to make you Think on that one? While you at it find out why the PSU AD Barbour told Franklin no Coaching Caravan for him this year like he wanted even though they had the Money?

I especially like when the Captain chimes in with his expertise on Psu and the Paterno Crimes and that Paterno disgraced Psu.
I never said Paterno committed Crimes only you just said that not me, so don't be a Nittany Liar?

I posted many times that it is the Penn State Football Program Paterno Era Errors that had to corrected by a NCAA Monitor Oversight not Crimes. My archive linked all New Policies on Athletic Integrity Agreement, Code of Players Conduct, New Director of Ethics, New Athletic Integrity Officer, New Policies on Clery Act, Title IX Reporting and New Undisclosed Conflict of Interests Policies that were not there during the Penn State Football Program Paterno Era! This is only on Penn tate for allowing Paterno to ignore them.

If you claim to have so much Knowledge on College Football, please post why these Policies were not at Penn State until 2012? If you can't that is on you too?

Keep it up guys it entertains me between senior softball tournaments and the start of hunting season.
Good to see you need more knowledge to be entertained and you will find it on the Lair, not much anywhere at Penn State. I am an NRA Life Member but what do you Hunt Pigeons, LOL!

Remember guys watch what you wish for about Franklin staying at PSU,you all want him to be there so you can humiliate Psu the next 4 years.
I just post what I know, see, and hear and if allowed shared it on the Lair. I don't boast about it and appreciate anyone that corrects me. Unfortunately that is not you. You told Nittany Lies and I just corrected you. You have some questions to answer above too if you think you can with that knowledge that needs corrections?

We will see if your won Boasts of what you think you know are as entertaining as what I just showed what you don't know?You not wearing a Bunny Outfit, you sound a lot like Franklin?

Good luck with that scenario at best your going 3-1 with Psu and the win must be this year,forget beating James the next 3!
When you post something accurate and relevant we will wait to see it? Knowledge is realizing that the street is one-way, wisdom is looking both directions anyway! Try it and you will become a better Poster here on the lair and I welcome it!

Now my buddy Holgy is on a very warm seat at WVU but James in State College has a pass for two more years. And contrary to popular belief he's a pretty good coach,wait and see!
This is his and Penn State Fans problem PSU Fans have been waiting 2 years, and many Former Player's have said they Fear Franklin can't do it!

You own post is just a Hope & Prayers are as feckless as Franklin's Old Boasts, but he took his back just like last year when bragged he had a Long Time Loyal Coaching Staff that has been and will with a long time before the MSU game....then had 3 Coaches Openings that one he fired and two other loyal guys after getting raise left Franklin anyway?

No Swag Just Facts that all you knowledge did not know or show, Penn State does not have mythical swag anymore based on slogans, not NCAA Compliance's, and that is your new reality since they never had it?

Try calling plays with that sieve of an o-line O'Brian left him with,you can't win with no o-line.
So, O'Brien won under sanctions in spite of losing key talent at RB, WR, and elsewhere and that blame was on Paterno, but O'Brien was classy enough not to say it? Franklin blames it on the Sanctions and his Old Fired OC Donovan? So you blame the Lair now?

But the problem is fixed starting next year,get your digs in now because James is going to school you the next 3 years.bwdik.
Really, didn't Franklin say Penn State was going to Dominate the day he arrived? We had another PSU Poster telling us the OL was going to be much better in 2015 than 2016, now you say 2017?

Pitt Fans don't have to wait, that is what you are doing, and you know it, LOL!

I supported Franklin becoming a Great Coach when he was introduced and took some heat from my fellow posters and that is fine with me.

After two years, my friends at Penn State tell me Old Main has doubts on whether Franklin can get it done. Joe did it in one year you know, so did O'Brien?

In addition, But Franklin himself has changed his own Boasts and admitted he underestimated the problems he sees at Penn State and blames Penn State Scandal created during the Paterno Era. So take it up with Franklin not us on the Lair?

Additionally, to the opposition of fellow Poster that differ with me and respect and accept I may be wrong. I have posted many times Joe Paterno is a Great Coach, Family man with a fine family, a prolific Charitable Fundraiser and Giver that help build Penn State & Penn State's Football into a Top 25 Program and deserves his Wins.

However, to set you straight it was Sandusky's Convicted Crimes and the Alleged Crimes of Spanier, Curley, and Schultz that exposed Penn State University Football Program that led to Sanctions.

Sorry, but Nittany Whiners refuse to admit Penn State University Football Program was not in Compliance, Lack Institutional Control, and Violated many Educational Laws during the Paterno Era.

It was Penn State that allowed Joe to get bigger than the University. It was also part of Joe's misjudgments, petty hissy fits, and some of Joe's Errors in running that Program that has Cost Penn State over $500 Million to date, and why Penn State put in 2012 Reforms so no person or Coach can ever do that again.

You do no know that Penn State Name has been shamed Worldwide not by anyone on on the Lair, if you can prove otherwise, please educate us? You do know Joe cried how his own name will be shamed too before he past away? You know that the vices of victims did tell Joe too way back in 1971 but he threaten them and ignored it? We will wait to see what kind of character you can now display on your responses?

I already know what you can't show. Stick to that Old Man's Softball Game by wanna be non-athletes instead of Fortune Telling. Pitt, WVU, and Penn State have been in mired in 6-6 to 8-5 for the last 5 years. I don't make excuses for Pitt either, up to Pitt to change Pitt for the better not anybody else. I see such changes in Narduzzi doing it while Franklin cries with excuses like you do here.

Your Posting is cheap because supply exceeds demand as we all can see how your experience is the name so many people give to your mistakes.

Just like Franklin's Penn state Offensive Line that keeps making mistakes, and you are waiting for them to stop doing it until 2017????

You are all brag without swag or facts, LOL!

 

[chethejet]

There is a major difference between not committing a crime and not doing the right thing. Paterno was aware for years of Sandusky and his suspect behavior. The fact that PSU paid out settlements going back 40 years and the insurer contesting the very fact of non disclosure to them of that fact reeks of criminal behavior. Paterno and many administrators well well aware of that fact. BUT DID NOTHING.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"chethejet, post: 1512020, member: 4178"]There is a major difference between not committing a crime and not doing the right thing.
I know it, but Medixman said it, and as we know the Cult has a problem with it not the Court of Public Opinion. I corrected his errors like Penn State University corrected Penn State Football Program Paterno's Errors by firing him and Spanier to find out what happen, both weren't talking.


Paterno was aware for years of Sandusky and his suspect behavior.
Well, even Penn State challenges the Victim Voices Allegation under oath on that one too. In the Grand Jury Paterno said he was told about Inappropriate Sexual Behavior versus Spanier and the other 3 claim it called Horsing Around. this is being debated in the Pre-Trial Motions. The Cult always aid Paterno did the right thing. Yet, Paterno did admit with Hindsight he wished he did more? This was before the Unsealed Records were released and Joe knew or at least told way back in 1971, again in 1976, 1987, and 1988, according to Victims and Insurers.Whether Joe believed it is not a Crime either back the. Today, New Penn State Reforms and New PA Children Protection law makes it one now.

The fact that PSU paid out settlements going back 40 years and the insurer contesting the very fact of non disclosure to them of that fact reeks of criminal behavior.
Yes, but Corbett's PAOAG Investigation and Frank Fina himself said they found no evidence that Paterno ever committed a Crime but the Penn State Three they alleged said they did in spite of some of those charges and counts have been dropped on Appeals. Funny, but it has been the Penn State Civil Lawsuits that have revealed what Joe Knew and When Joe knew it, not the PAOAG?

Paterno and many administrators well well aware of that fact. BUT DID NOTHING.
The Emails Spanier thought were destroyed shows that but until proven in a Court of Criminal Law, I back all have Constitutional Rights to challenge it, to be fair? Just like Sandusky is challenging the his Post Conviction Relief Appeal today and the last few days?

In the meantime, Penn State Fans like Medixman fret over whether Franklin's lack of winning while they wait as Franklin blames his bad coaching all on the Penn State Scandal, Sanction, Old OC, excuses.

Yet, we are waiting on Medixman to explain why Franklin's DC and OLC left Franklin? So, far Medixman can't but we can wait for him like he is waiting for Franklin to beat Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio and others?

 

[medixman]

Gee Captain that's a very vicious attack on me and my mediocre intelligence.Like I said before James is many miles away from any crossroads at PSU.Unless you've walked the walk you shouldn't talk the talk is what I'm saying about James's record at PSU.If you've ever been up in the booth and had a terrible O-line you'd know what happened on offense at PSU.I've been there and not very many plays work,result loses.Whose fault was it?Was it O'Brian's recruiting,the sanctions,Coach Hand, or a combination of these that caused the worst ol in the P5.Throw in the most overrated qb in Psu history and James record is right where it should be,in my opinion.Now if he's still 7-6 and 8-5 after the next two years with his players he's heading East on I80 to East Stroudsburg!I will say what Franklin did at Vanderbilt was remarkable.You Pitters say he beat no good teams there,its fricking Vanderbilt guys they didn't beat anyone before he got there.Remember he's never had a losing regular season and he coached at Vanderbilt and Psu with what 65 scholarships.So in my opinion he's not as bad as you Pitt guys make him out to be!Captain is it true you were seen at Cheat Lake checking out Holgersen House for a future investment??????

 

[Safety Blitz]

When USC was looking for a New Head Coach, i noticed a Zwick from BWI posted that Narduzzi would be a great fit for the Trojans...Me Thinks That Is A Compliment To Pitt And Sign of Fear For Some Smart PSu Posters? I go to USC Trojan Board often and love their Program.

No chance Narduzzi ever talks to PSU. Head coaches don't make moves to neighborhood schools. But it would not surprise me if Narduzzi leaves for a higher profile job if he has continued success at Pitt. Maybe MSU, an SEC or Pac-10 school. Tough to tell those schools no thanks if they come knocking.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"medixman, post: 1514966, member: 28301"]Gee Captain that's a very vicious attack on me and my mediocre intelligence.Like I said before James is many miles away from any crossroads at PSU.
Oh, Boo Hoo, you attempt to change my words by saying I said something and i corrected you, now you cry about it. You attempt to say anyone with Football Knowledge knows better when you can't read the Links in my Thread that talks a Driver's Seat & Hot Seat potential, and you call it a vicious attack? What happen you drop a Softball Easy catch in Right Field Today? Oh, Please you were corrected not viciously attacked.

Onward State Article Franklin 2-10, 4-7, 6-6 - No Extension = Hot Seat
Onward State Also Says Franklin 10-2, 9-3, 8-5 + Extension = Drivers Seat

I respect your Post, I respect and admire Franklin, but it is just as true he caused some of his own problems, that is not Knowledge it is by Franklin's own admissions in Press conferences he brought on himself? I bet you did not read one Link before making Boast about your Football Knowledge?

Unless you've walked the walk you shouldn't talk the talk is what I'm saying about James's record at PSU.
Yeah, neither should you, talk or walk, unless you Read The Links To Think and I will Talk anytime and if you can refute so be it, but don't whine when you can't either.

If you've ever been up in the booth and had a terrible O-line you'd know what happened on offense at PSU.I've been there and not very many plays work,result loses.Whose fault was it?
OH, BS again, then tell Franklin go to the Booth he hasn't been able to fix his Ol in 2 Years and blames Sanction, and in turn O'Brien and Paterno, as well as Donovan and Hand? This did stop Franklin from bragging in a Press Conference last year before the MSU Game, how Franklin and his Long Time Loyal Staff have a Plan and all you Penn State Fans just have to wait?

Result.....MSU 55 Penn State 16!

After the game he fired Donovan his Long Time Staffer and two months later DC Shoop and OLC Hand left Franklin after Franklin bragged about how top Programs are after his coaches but they won't leave Penn State...but they left anyway?

Now you come here and tell us it needs another 2 years? You can't see Franklin is not living up to his previous comments, has Staff problems, and admitted the PSU job is way tougher than he expected when he came and you tell me I need to be on a Booth to see it and you call that Football Knowledge?

FYI, one does not need to be a any Booth to know a Bad OL, Joe Paterno was Coach Sideline to Sideline not in Booths and grabbed his OL as they came off the field. i know i saw it every game I attended. That is Great Coaching on game Sideline Day not in a Booth!

I guess New OLC Limegrover will be in a Booth this year to see if he has a bad OL according to you?

Was it O'Brian's recruiting,the sanctions,Coach Hand, or a combination of these that caused the worst ol in the P5.Throw in the most overrated qb in Psu history and James record is right where it should be,in my opinion.
OK, fine with me, I accept that from you as I refute some of it too.

1. When Franklin was introduced as Head Coach he did not mention O'Brien except in a glowing light. He did not say Sanctions will hurt him. He said he and his Terrific Long Time Loyal Staff would Dominate right away and not wait until 2018? He has went back on some of those things and admitted he was wrong to underestimate them. Franklin contradicts you today not me is my point.

2. I saw nothing in 2013 or 2014 or 2015 whereby Franklin ever said he would be having 3 new Coaches in 2016? He has had to replace his OC, DC, DB, and OLC? di d you expect that at all from your Booth? Is that a sign of Coaching Stability with a Plan? All I know is Franklin contradicted some of what you said above and raised OLC Hand Salary to keep him, but OLC Hand left Franklin, Franklin did not fire Hand?

3. I never saw Franklin ever say Hackenberg was overrated and if Hack was why didn't Franklin bench him and go with McSorley? When some Smart Pitt Posters kept correcting me my admiration for the Hack Attack, they turned out right and I was wrong. All the PSU BWI Cult Posters kept saying Hack was great and Pitt fans were jealous, then you turned on Hack and now worship "Franklin's Wait" and blame the Hack Attack, but who was Head Coach? looks like the famous "Two Face Hypocrisy Shuffle" on BWI Niitany Liar Board! Blame them not the Links on the Lair is my point!

4. I can agree with you on Franklin being 14-12 and that is where he should be, that is reasonable. So, give me your Football knowledge where Franklin's New Plan will be in the following fro your Phone Booth;

A. Medixman Predictions & Projection For The Record:
2016 Record:
2017 Record:
2018 Record:
2019 Record:

B. When will Franklin be given an Extension? Don't you think that is necessary to maintain stability?

Now if he's still 7-6 and 8-5 after the next two years with his players he's heading East on I80 to East Stroudsburg!
Wow, I posted that last year and outlined why after Signing Day. My Post are Archived go look it up? So, you agree with me with your Knowledge, I accept that Silent apology! However, your Post above says Franklin is going no where until 2018? Ok, let's buy that for now and that is what my Threat Title says too with Links?

Here is another Question, what to you say if Franklin goes 4-8 or 5-7 in 2016?

I will say what Franklin did at Vanderbilt was remarkable.
I know and I agree with you. In Fact, I think Franklin is great Rebuilding Coach for lesser programs, but not cut out for a Top 25 Program. We shall see? I admit mistakes when i am wrong that is how one learns.

You Pitters say he beat no good teams there,its fricking Vanderbilt guys they didn't beat anyone before he got there.Remember he's never had a losing regular season and he coached at Vanderbilt and Psu with what 65 scholarships.
Well, it is not just "Pitters" but some Former Penn State Players, Blackledge included, and some Posters on BWI also are not convince Franklin is a good coach for Penn State. If he was why doesn't PSU AD Barbour just give him an Extension? You have to admit they question Jimmy Franks Talk is not his WALK so far?

Moreover, some your Nittany Liars seldom recognized Pitt used to have only 60 Scholarships and when Penn state beat them, but it was because PSU were so superior...........Now you make excuses for Franklin because he part of PSU and shows how far many of your own Nittany Fans were full of arrogance, ignorance, but you want sympathy for having less than full Rosters until this year. Now what kind of "Pity Patter' is that about PSU today crying in your own Nittany Liars Home Made Saaction Soup?

i may remind you it was the Penn State Football Program Paterno Era that brewed all that Sanctions Soup, and required a Federal Food & Drug 409 Clean Up, wit Penn State 2012 Reforms? So, PSU did it to themselves and Farnklin is blaming them too, is he not?

No one at Pitt did what happen under PSU FB Program Paterno Era Errors and can you accept that to be true too? Pitt from 1990-2002 did not even have 85 Scholarships until 2003?

In 1960's Pitt limited rosters to 100 Players until 1973? Joe had Rosters of 100 too but added 35 Freshmen Redshirts every year too breaking the Big Four Agreement. But I credit Paterno Coaching and Foresight and blame Pitt., but that is just me.

You made an Error too, Franklin was 6-7 at Vandy in 2011.

So in my opinion he's not as bad as you Pitt guys make him out to be!
I never said Franklin is bad coach, I keep saying Franklin has to prove he can be a better coach than Meyer, Ferentz, Harbaugh, Rhule, Fitzgerald, Narduzzi, and Dantonio, and next add in Alvarez/Chryst, and Riley too in the next few years.

I can wait to see if it is the Hot Seat in 2016-18, or Drivers Seat 2016-beyond. Just like my Title Thread said, Franklin is at the Cross Road and we can now read what you predict from your Troll or Excuse me...Toll Booth! Just kidding just never been in either Booth to discuss FB.

Captain is it true you were seen at Cheat Lake checking out Holgersen House for a future investment??????
No, but I love Cheat Lake, Cooper's Rock, go there often, love Lakeland too, and I have been there the night before WVU Games because that is where the players stay. One way to learn how to Bet Games is hear from waiters that take food to players rooms?

Is that where you play Softball or Hunt?

Good post but look forward to some of your answers? I do not fear a Powerful Penn State and admire the University, Program and Coach. Penn State is Back from sanctions and with more Honor with the Penn State 2012 Reforms. Franklin to his credit has little to none Off the Field Discipline Problems and now we wait to see the Success too?

It is to up to Pitt's Gallagher to support Pitt own Narduzzi Plan to make Pitt Program a Top 25 Program and Pitt cannot progress to being the Best without playing the Best!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

No chance Narduzzi ever talks to PSU. Head coaches don't make moves to neighborhood schools. But it would not surprise me if Narduzzi leaves for a higher profile job if he has continued success at Pitt. Maybe MSU, an SEC or Pac-10 school. Tough to tell those schools no thanks if they come knocking.

Normally I would agree but I really trust Coach Jim Tressel comments, that Pitt found a great coach that will stay a long time at Pitt. People call me crazy but Narduzzi is just a shy step away from being another Paterno but runs a Program under Pitt compliance Office and within NCAA & ACC Rules of Institutional Control!

However, from a Pure Coaching stand point, I see many good qualities in Narduzii that mirror the same good qualities Joe Paterno had as a Coach, in my opinion. I know I am going to heat for saying it on the Lair and may be outright wrong, but that is how I see it?

I agree Coach Pat would turn down any PSU offer but I have some PSU fans that would love to have him over Franklin too.

Moreover, if ND, UTenn, USC, Texas, & LSU or some other Big Time Program comes with Big Numbers, I think Coach Pat understand Big Winning is expected too.

Additionally, I would not see Coach Pat make a lateral move to another Program like Baylor, WVU, Iowa, MSU, Miami, UNC, ULou, ASU, because he likes the area he is from and he can rebuild Pitt just as easily as he maintains those Programs.I see him more in the Tradition of an Dantonio, Alvarez, Fitzgerald, Ferentz, Cutcliffe, Shaw, Leach, Niumatalolo, and Patterson. Why go elsewhere after building something special that you worked so hard to build upon, especially at age 50s.

Furthermore, these Coaches from Youngstown are special breed with Pittsburgh-Youngstown-Cleveland Roots just like Pelini, Solich, Grimm, Tressel, Austin, Stoops, Olsvasky, Mann, Cavanaugh and even Lebron James they like it here and near their Home Region.

I really believe Narduzzi not only wants to rebuild Pitt Football but retire from Pitt!

This 2016 year will be a big test, and we shall see?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Medixman just for you, looks like Franklin has his Spread QB he wanted, and Penn State does have the talent to win big in 2016 in my opinion, and what do you think about McSorley? Look forward to your comments too.

I very much respect Coach Moorhead as well as Franklin. I am not sold on Limegrover yet on OLC, but he is good man. Good Luck.

The eight-month battle for the Penn State starting quarterback job has come to a close. Coach James Franklin announced Wednesday night that sophomore Trace McSorley will start under center for the Nittany Lions over redshirt freshman Tommy Stevens............ “The biggest thing is (McSorley) has been the backup quarterback for two years,” Franklin said. “He has game experience from the bowl game. There's value in that........Apart from in-game experience, Franklin said naming McSorley winning the job was a “gut decision.” Franklin nixed the idea the Lions would play two quarterbacks on Saturdays. He wants to give McSorley most of the reps during games for him to grow throughout the year.
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/11019357-74/mcsorley-franklin-game

Penn State's projected five on the offensive line: some youth, but mostly experience, for better or worse
"You have [Andrew] Nelson at right tackle, you've got [Derek] Dowrey at right guard, you have [Brian] Gaia at center, you have [Ryan] Bates at left guard, and you have [Brendan] Mahon at left tackle," head coach James Franklin said after practice here Wednesday night. "That's the way it sits right now, but we're still kind of moving some things around." Penn State offensive line coach Matt Limegrover is ready for his group of five starting offensive linemen to gel together.......Bates is the only one of the five that does not have game experience, but the redshirt freshman is massive compared to his freshman form; he checks in at over 300 pounds and is ready to go. Gaia moves to center, to replace the graduated Angelo Mangiro, after playing guard a year ago, and Franklin said early on in camp that Nelson would move from the left tackle spot he occupied last year to the right side......Those three have long been set in their roles, leaving Dowrey and Mahon as perhaps the only two wildcards. Dowrey started at guard some a year ago, while Mahon moves outside for the first time in a long time after playing last year at guard. There is still time to make changes to that group, as Franklin noted, but not much, as offensive line coach Matt Limegrover said last week that he wants his starting five to have time to gel together as soon as possible. Interior offensive lineman and freshman Connor McGovern will play right away, according to Franklin, though it wasn't specified what positon he'll see time at, while another freshman, Michal Menet, has drawn praise but may not be ready for the bright lights of Beaver Stadium just yet. Then, there are returners like Paris Palmer who are fighting for time.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...s_projected_five_on_t.html#incart_river_index

Analysis: Penn State names starters at quarterback and offensive line
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...penn_state_names_star.html#incart_river_index

 

[pittdan77]

If you've ever been up in the booth and had a terrible O-line you'd know what happened on offense at PSU.

Not sure how terrible the OL played. Barkley had a pretty good season at what, 5 or 6 yards per carry? He's putting 200 on Pitt, right?

 

[medixman]

Dan believe me Psu o-line was terrible last year,no P5 o-line was worse!I don't care if Barkley had 2000 yds last year it was bad.Barkley could have 200 yds against Pitt or he could have 60 I can't answer that question.I do know that your linebackers are questionable and so is your Dline.I do know that when a safety is your leading tackler you have a few problems in front of him.I think Darduzzi will stack the front and make McSorley beat him,so maybe Barkley will only have 50 or so.Why do you think Pitt is favorite in this game??????Because of your offensive line is the reason,it all starts there!

 

[pittdan77]

Dan believe me Psu o-line was terrible last year,no P5 o-line was worse!I don't care if Barkley had 2000 yds last year it was bad.Barkley could have 200 yds against Pitt or he could have 60 I can't answer that question.I do know that your linebackers are questionable and so is your Dline.I do know that when a safety is your leading tackler you have a few problems in front of him.I think Darduzzi will stack the front and make McSorley beat him,so maybe Barkley will only have 50 or so.Why do you think Pitt is favorite in this game??????Because of your offensive line is the reason,it all starts there!

I know what a bad o-line looks like. The stats don't fit the argument. Most of the hate for the line came on pass pro and a bit of that fell on Hack.

Truth of the matter is that PSU didn't run the ball anywhere near enough last season.

 

[medixman]

Sorry Captain I threw a loaded statement at you so you would make a mistake and you did.I always wanted to correct you and I will.I said Franklin has never had a losing regular season and he hadn't,he was 6-6 in 2011 and lost the bowl game.I promise no more baiting people on here.Id be a fool to predict records for the next three years before I see how McSorley plays and how Moorhead runs the offense against the good teams in the Big 10.After the year I'll do it though.The bowl game is too small of a sample to rate McSorley on,easy to play good when your way ahead or behind.A s far as coaching changes in my opinion Shoop left because he felt he'd have a better chance of getting a head coaching job if he coached with another team next year and after.Plus I think Franklin was tired of worrying about him leaving after every season.Franklin must of felt Pry was ready to take over.Hand and Donovan had to go because of the poor offensive execution.Was it their fault though?????Maybe,maybe not but someones head had to roll.I also think Franklin did upgrade these coaching position but again time will tell.Sometimes your friends aren't the best option when it comes to succeeding and success is a must in the business of DI football.A s a matter of fact Hand coached my nephew at West Va Wesleyan in 1991-3.If you think sanctions didn't hurt PSU where would your best olineman be playing this year if there were no sanctions?So that's just one example of why sanction hurt PSU.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Penn State's projected five on the offensive line: some youth, but mostly experience, for better or worse
"You have [Andrew] Nelson at right tackle, you've got [Derek] Dowrey at right guard, you have [Brian] Gaia at center, you have [Ryan] Bates at left guard, and you have [Brendan] Mahon at left tackle," head coach James Franklin said after practice here Wednesday night. "That's the way it sits right now, but we're still kind of moving some things around." Penn State offensive line coach Matt Limegrover is ready for his group of five starting offensive linemen to gel together.......Bates is the only one of the five that does not have game experience, but the redshirt freshman is massive compared to his freshman form; he checks in at over 300 pounds and is ready to go. Gaia moves to center, to replace the graduated Angelo Mangiro, after playing guard a year ago, and Franklin said early on in camp that Nelson would move from the left tackle spot he occupied last year to the right side......Those three have long been set in their roles, leaving Dowrey and Mahon as perhaps the only two wildcards. Dowrey started at guard some a year ago, while Mahon moves outside for the first time in a long time after playing last year at guard. There is still time to make changes to that group, as Franklin noted, but not much, as offensive line coach Matt Limegrover said last week that he wants his starting five to have time to gel together as soon as possible. Interior offensive lineman and freshman Connor McGovern will play right away, according to Franklin, though it wasn't specified what positon he'll see time at, while another freshman, Michal Menet, has drawn praise but may not be ready for the bright lights of Beaver Stadium just yet. Then, there are returners like Paris Palmer who are fighting for time.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...s_projected_five_on_t.html#incart_river_index

Aha! That's the guy whose name I was trying to remember. Andrew Nelson. Last year's left tackle. That's the virtual sieve through whom Temple got the bulk of those ten sacks last year. So they've moved him to the right side for this season, huh? Is that simply the equivalent of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"medixman, post: 1517009, member: 28301"]Sorry Captain I threw a loaded statement at you so you would make a mistake and you did.I always wanted to correct you and I will.I said Franklin has never had a losing regular season and he hadn't,he was 6-6 in 2011 and lost the bowl game.I promise no more baiting people on here.
I welcome all views and accept many will agree and disagree. If you are not going to count Bowl Games, then Paterno does not have 409 Wins. If you want to play Bait & Catch, so be it. Franklin did great at Vandy is accurate by you and they were happy with 6-7. Others on the Lair feel otherwise, I am not one of them. It is not about making mistakes it is about correcting them to learn to learn togther. Franklin still had a 6-7 Record in NCAA record books, so be it.

Id be a fool to predict records for the next three years before I see how McSorley plays and how Moorhead runs the offense against the good teams in the Big 10
I accept that too, but your first post was that Franklin is there until 2018? Guessing future wins is what we all do here and I like to read them. Agree, predicting PSU-Pitt game needs for all of us to see Kent State and Villanova. I will add my own comments if you want to do the predictions game by game, and that is fair to judge my picks too. But I agree, why do it until OL & McSorely and Pitt-PSU game, to see how both teams look.

After the year I'll do it though.
Fine, with me, I just think it goes to my Thread Title Franklin is at a Cross Roads, your posts back it up Franklin being in the Driver's Seat. I feel he could be on the Hot Seat this year without an Extension. I backed it up with what some PSU Former Players told me about his wins and losses?

The bowl game is too small of a sample to rate McSorley on,easy to play good when your way ahead or behind.
Agree, and others on the Lair disagreed not me. I saw a good performance coming off the bench. I see he can be good quickly even in 2016. But since I do not know for sure, this why post articles links for others to chime in and you dd. I agree with you one Bowl Game is not a good sample but he did good as far as I could see.

As far as coaching changes in my opinion Shoop left because he felt he'd have a better chance of getting a head coaching job if he coached with another team next year and after.
Fair comment, but to me what you are saying he couldn't do that at PSU? Is UTenn going to be better for his career than Penn State? Also, Shoop re-committed to PSU in December and then left a month later? There is an Article on PennLive that show Franklin bragging how top Programs want his Coaches but they are staying...then they left? Shoop created the 4th and 14th Defense in the NCAA FBS and Sanctions were not an excuses?

Plus I think Franklin was tired of worrying about him leaving after every season.
Franklin did not dump Shoop, he wanted Shoop to stay, just like Narduzzi wanted Chaney to stay? Shoop left Franklin outright. Pry only got the job because Shoop left?

Franklin must of felt Pry was ready to take over.
Hmmmnnn..must have is a guess, let be more clear, do you think Shoop's Coaching helped Franklin win at Vandy and PSU? Now that he is gone, this put even more pressure on Franklin to win? You now are saying what again? Pry will be just as great this year as Shoop? What if Pry is not as good as Shoop will you wait more?

Hand and Donovan had to go because of the poor offensive execution.
Franklin did not Fire Hand, Hand left Franklin just like Shoop. Again, you are missing signs of Coaching Instability at PSU. These LONG TIME Staffers that help Franklin win at Vandy left Franklin? Donovan was the only one Fired and Franklin brought Donovan to PSU and praised him before the MSU game? Auburn thinks Hand is a Great OLC they wanted him, and Franklin couldn't keep him?

Was it their fault though?????
Franklin is Head Coach and you say PSU Fan have to wait? Yet, Shoop and Hand did not wait, they left on their own, and were in demand by better Winning Programs in SEC. This indicates to me you really are not seeing anything from any Coaching Booth, (Not A Personal Attack), just pointing out that if you are the one Waiting in the booth to see Franklin better coaching because of what you don't know and how it does not square backing up your views if you own views are on mistaken Info?

Maybe,maybe not but someones head had to roll.
Only Donovan's Head Rolled! Franklin head could roll too sooner than 2018 is my point and backed upbased on Info I had to educate your mistaken beliefs on why some Great Coaches that helped Franklin re gone? It is Ok you did not know, but now you do.

I also think Franklin did upgrade these coaching position but again time will tell.
Once again, Auburn wanted OLC Hand while JF wanted him to stay and got him a raise but could not keep him. Now Franklin hires Limegrover that was Fired at Minnesota and claimed he could not be an OC & OLC and no other Program offered him? Once again, can't you see how Franklin had to make that move when he said did not want to do it? The Top Coaches that won at Vandy leaving Franklin is Coaching Instability and a sign of a Coach coming to a Hot Seat that you denied using wrong Football Knowledge?

It is OK if you think Limegrover is going to be better, I am not saying otherwise at this time, I am like you we shall see? But Franklin had Coaching Instability put upon him, and not because he wanted to make changes. They chose to leave? I find it odd timing, and even worse losing two guys you won with at Vandy that you cite instant success there but why do PSU fans have to wait now?

Sometimes your friends aren't the best option when it comes to succeeding and success is a must in the business of DI football.
Now I can agree with this in part because Jackie Sherrill after his first years at Pitt did fire some of his own great Assistants (Jimmy Johnson, Pat Jones & Wannstedt), but went 33-3 after them. So that can happen for JF.

Yet, Jackie made that happen, unlike Franklin did not want his Assistants to leave and Franklin bragged about how they will Dominate the region now all are at Penn State? Even Franklin held a Press Conference saying he was wrong to say that upon reflection. This is one reason why you as a PSU Fan are still waiting and can't even predict how Franklin will do in 2016, 17, and 18?

Once again, to me as told by some PSU Insiders they are not confident that Franklin can deliver as promised.They are not in a Booth either and played at Penn State on the field.They told me they never saw such bad Sideline Coaching Franklin displays. They tell me Franklin is going to have a tough time beating Meyer's, Harbaugh, Dantonio, and others without Shoop. Yet, they say Franklin gets 2016 to prove it with his New Spread, Moorhead & New OLC, and New DC & DBC will wait to see it too, but if Franklin goes 4-8 or 5-7, they want to dump him now. No one knows for sure either. I am with you, I think PSU can be Great but I think he shows it in 2016 not 2017? This goes for Coach Pat & Holgrosen too!

As a matter of fact Hand coached my nephew at West Va Wesleyan in 1991-3. If you think sanctions didn't hurt PSU where would your best olineman be playing this year if there were no sanctions?
Well, some Cult Posters on BWI love to post that O'Brien won under Sanctions and Franklin too, so 4 Winning Seasons at PSU under Sanctions and have not hurt PSU?

So that's just one example of why sanction hurt PSU.
I can agree Sanctions did hurt PSU ability to beat Top Programs like Michigan, OSU, and MSU but that is on Franklin now, and he loses to NW, Temple, and others and Franklin has also hurt PSU by not doing what he promised to do?

In addition, his Coaching that helped him with Vandy Wins left him and not due to Sanctions since they came with him and Coached under the Sanctions but now left him just when Franklin said, Sanctions no longer hurting PSU?

Again, please answer does Franklin get and Extension if he goes 4-8, 5-7, 6-6, 7-6 in 2016? It is just a question asking for an Opinion not Rocket Science, many tell me no way?

I welcome your views too, we learn by discussing them not cussing at them like they do on BWI!