Why is ND ahead of IU and PSU ahead of OSU?

[Sean Miller Fan]

They seem to be applying different logic here.

Ohio State and Penn State are both 11-2 vs roughly the same schedule. Both lost to Oregon. PSU has the better loss....but the fact it was to OSU and at home should offset OSU's "bad loss." I would say the only reason PSU is ahead of OSU and has the far easier draw is because OSU has that bad loss. But if that's the case, why is ND hosting IU instead of vice versa? Both ND and IU have had very easy schedules. But ND's loss, at home to a 7-5 MAC team is far worse than IU's loss at OSU. Are ND's wins vs #22 Army and unranked Texas A&M enough to offset IU not beating anyone of significance?

 

[TD_6082]

tOSU is 10-2. They lost to 6-5 Michigan.

ND also beat Louisville and USC.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Penn State was 11-1; Ohio State is 10-2. They said they weren't going to punish teams for playing in conference championships (presumably within reason), so playing the #1 team to a one-score game on a neutral field and not falling below Ohio State would seem to jive with that. They were ahead when the regular season ended.

As for Indiana and Notre Dame, well...

ND's best wins: at Texas AM, Louisville, at Georgia Tech, at Army, at USC

Indiana's best wins: Southmoreland, at McGuffey, Keystone Oaks, Shenango

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

tOSU is 10-2. They lost to 6-5 Michigan.

ND also beat Louisville and USC.

PSU is 11-2. OSU is 10-2.

ND beat Louisville and USC? So what? IU beat Mich, Wash, Nebraska. Those wins arent any good but neither is USC.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Penn State was 11-1; Ohio State is 10-2. They said they weren't going to punish teams for playing in conference championships

I keep hearing this but when did they actually say this? Also, if so, then its stupid. It should be your total body of work. If PSU wanted to protect its seed and home game, then it should have opted out of the B10CG. Same goes for SMU. PSU and SMU were playing for Top 4 seeds, which is a pretty big deal. I think the committee won't penalize teams within reason but in a situation where PSU had the chance to go out and definitely prove they are better than OSU and they couldn't do it, I think there's no question you have to drop them below OSU.

 

[TD_6082]

PSU is 11-2. OSU is 10-2.

ND beat Louisville and USC? So what? IU beat Mich, Wash, Nebraska. Those wins arent any good but neither is USC.

And GaTech & TAMU.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

And GaTech & TAMU.

I get that. But none of these are great teams. They had a stronger schedule than Indiana but a hideous loss.

 

[forbesfield]

Given that all of these teams have an equal chance of winning the whole thing, who cares? ND is at home, but you could argue that all of the pressure is on them anyhow.

 

[wbrpanther]

They seem to be applying different logic here.

Ohio State and Penn State are both 11-2 vs roughly the same schedule. Both lost to Oregon. PSU has the better loss....but the fact it was to OSU and at home should offset OSU's "bad loss." I would say the only reason PSU is ahead of OSU and has the far easier draw is because OSU has that bad loss. But if that's the case, why is ND hosting IU instead of vice versa? Both ND and IU have had very easy schedules. But ND's loss, at home to a 7-5 MAC team is far worse than IU's loss at OSU. Are ND's wins vs #22 Army and unranked Texas A&M enough to offset IU not beating anyone of significance?

You think too much.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Given that all of these teams have an equal chance of winning the whole thing, who cares? ND is at home, but you could argue that all of the pressure is on them anyhow.

I’m not saying I agree with the OP, but playing on your home field provides an obvious advantage.

 

[PittMan 72]

I keep hearing about their “good losses”.

But who is the best team that the nits BEAT? I’ll hang up and listen. 🤔

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I keep hearing about their “good losses”.

But who is the best team that the nits BEAT? I’ll hang up and listen. 🤔

I have tried to play close attention to how this committee ranks teams and they do seem to reward teams for good losses more than reward teams for good wins. In the PSU/OSU case, PSU gets more credit for the OSU loss than OSU gets for the PSU win. It doesn't make sense

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You think too much.

That's clearly wrong. He doesn't think nearly enough. If he did, he'd probably post a lot less.

 

[forbesfield]

That's clearly wrong. He doesn't think nearly enough. If he did, he'd probably post a lot less.

In fairness, over 68,000 posts is nothing to sneer at. Or maybe it's a lot to sneer at.

 

[upj87]

Penn State was 11-1; Ohio State is 10-2. They said they weren't going to punish teams for playing in conference championships (presumably within reason), so playing the #1 team to a one-score game on a neutral field and not falling below Ohio State would seem to jive with that. They were ahead when the regular season ended.

As for Indiana and Notre Dame, well...

ND's best wins: at Texas AM, Louisville, at Georgia Tech, at Army, at USC

Indiana's best wins: Southmoreland, at McGuffey, Keystone Oaks, Shenango

Penn State was 11-1. Indiana was 11-1. Their entry into said conference championship was based on really no noteworthy accomplishments that set them apart from Indiana...They then lost another game. Not sure why Indiana gets punished because Penn State earned and entry into the championship that they (Indiana) were pretty much entitled to themselves but for some 8th level tiebreaker scenario..Penn State is 0-2 against the 12 team field. Indiana is 0-1. Should be higher.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Penn State was 11-1. Indiana was 11-1. Their entry into said conference championship was based on really no noteworthy accomplishments that set them apart from Indiana...They then lost another game. Not sure why Indiana gets punished because Penn State earned and entry into the championship that they (Indiana) were pretty much entitled to themselves but for some 8th level tiebreaker scenario..Penn State is 0-2 against the 12 team field. Indiana is 0-1. Should be higher.

Losses count, too. Penn State looked like they belonged in the same stadium as both Ohio State and Oregon. Indiana absolutely did not.

 

[Pitt_Boss]

Penn State was 11-1; Ohio State is 10-2. They said they weren't going to punish teams for playing in conference championships (presumably within reason), so playing the #1 team to a one-score game on a neutral field and not falling below Ohio State would seem to jive with that. They were ahead when the regular season ended.

As for Indiana and Notre Dame, well...

ND's best wins: at Texas AM, Louisville, at Georgia Tech, at Army, at USC

Indiana's best wins: Southmoreland, at McGuffey, Keystone Oaks, Shenango

Bruh Keystone Oaks was tough this year, a lot of young talent on that team

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Notre Dame over Indiana isn't a controversial pick. That's partially why it's a -7.5 to -8.5 line.
Sagarin: ND #1, Indiana #11
Colley, ND #2, Indiana #8
FPI, ND#2, Indiana #10 (and 16% vs 2% chance to win it all respectively.)

Don't get me wrong, I am rooting for the Hoosiers! But people would be incredibly shocked if they won a national title where Notre Dame winning it wouldn't be nearly as big a story. That's the eye test, the computer test, the strength of schedule test.