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SMU is OUT

If the criteria for Penn St is no good wins, no bad losses, why are they 5 spots ahead of Indiana who has the exact same profile.

PSU and Indiana were both 11-1 and they both lost to Ohio St neither game close, PSU was at home, Indiana away.

PSU beat Illinois.
 
The committee will put SMU in because of the money involved in the conference championship games and the very real threat that teams won't won't to be a part of them.
 
I would. Indiana's schedule is so so bad. They only have 1 win over a team with a winning record and it was 7-5 Michigan. They played a mid-major schedule for all intents and purposes. What is the difference, really, between Indiana and Army? Both 11-1. Both weak schedules. Army lost to ND. IU lost to OSU. Can you even make a good argument for IU over Army? I mean maybe IU is good but we have no idea because they haven't played anyone.
So you think Army beats Michigan and would only lose to Ohio State in the Big 10 this year?
 
SMU lost to 2 teams who each had 10 wins.

Alabama lost to 3 teams, 2 of which did not have a winning record. Six wins each.

SMU lost each of their losing games by 3 points, one of those losses coming in a championship game with a 56 yard walk-off field goal.

Alabama lost by 26 points to the 2 non-winning record teams. Had they been in the SEC championship, they might have 4 losses.

SMU should not be penalized for playing in a championship game.

SMU deserves the spot.
 
They wont do it because they cant justify the 1 week drop for losing to #1. However, if you ranked the teams from scratch, its:

1. Oregon
2. UGa
3. ASU (wins over BYU, ISU, KSU is better than what Boise has)
4. Boise
5. Texas
6. ND but OSU is very close here due to
7. OSU
8. Tennessee (1 good, 1 bad loss)
9. PSU (no good wins, no bad losses)
10. Alabama
11. Clemson
12. SMU
13. Indiana
What are Texas and NDs best wins?
 
No was smu drops 5 spots for losing in a conference championship game on a last second 56 yard field goal.
 
Is Beck out for Georgia? Based on precedent of what happened to FSU last year, if Beck is hurt, Georgia should be no higher than the 5 seed, right?
But the precedent is for ACC schools to be left out if their QB gets injured. Georgia is in the SEC, so they are fine.
 
They wouldn't need to drop five spots to be left out, in theory. Three would be enough.
This is what I don’t understand. Both Indiana and Alabama would need to jump SMU. So Alabama’s argument is they had a tougher schedule than SMU’s. OK..but if you use that argument, why does Indiana pass up SMU?
 
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So, basically, conference championship games have been reduced to the Compass Bowl status. Can’t wait to see who the first team will be to refuse to play.
 
So, basically, conference championship games have been reduced to the Compass Bowl status. Can’t wait to see who the first team will be to refuse to play.
With the expanded playoffs, they shouldn't happen anymore. Again, I think having ranks 9-16 play each other instead for a spot in the invitational would be so much more interesting.
 
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This is what I don’t understand. Both Indiana and Alabama would need to jump SMU. So Alabama’s argument is they had a tougher schedule than SMU’s. OK..but if you use that argument, why does Indiana pass up SMU?

I would argue that Alabama's resume got better yesterday by virtue of Georgia - a team they beat - winning the SEC. But I assume they'll just keep the order between them and Indiana the same, and SMU will land in between them.
 
With the expanded playoffs, they shouldn't happen anymore. Again, I think having ranks 9-16 play each other instead for a spot in the invitational would be so much more interesting.
So you’re saying, now that there is a 12-team playoff, every school is playing with the only goal being to win the national championship, playing to be your conference champion should not be a goal for any school?

I’d say for more than 90% of schools, conference champion is a reasonable goal, if you somehow position yourself to be in the playoff for national champion, that’s icing on the cake.
 
So you’re saying, now that there is a 12-team playoff, every school is playing with the only goal being to win the national championship, playing to be your conference champion should not be a goal for any school?

I’d say for more than 90% of schools, conference champion is a reasonable goal, if you somehow position yourself to be in the playoff for national champion, that’s icing on the cake.
Win it in the regular season. No need for a bonus game.
 
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With the expanded playoffs, they shouldn't happen anymore. Again, I think having ranks 9-16 play each other instead for a spot in the invitational would be so much more interesting.

Yeah but then the ACC would only have 1 team in this year, whereas by playing this game they could have 2.
 
No way they make it. This doesn't look like one of the best 11/12 teams. Sucks Clemson has to get the 12 seed though.

SMU has 0 wins against the current Top 25. They are only 2-1 (if they lose to Clemson) vs ACC Top 7. Schedule was very weak.

The school who I dont think should be granted this auto bid is Indiana. Also 0 wins vs curent Top 25. 0-1 vs B10 Top 6. 1-1 vs B10 Top 8. IU essentially played OSU and 11 mid-majors. So similar to SMU but IU gets a ton of credit for not forfeitting the game to OSU.

For me, Bama is in. The UGa win today helps them as they now have a win over the SEC Champ and 2 overall seed. It would be between SMU and IU but they said they arent re-ranking so they really cant push Bama ahead of IU. This is why I dont think you should rank teams ahead of time.
SMF...If SMU makes it, they make. If they don't, then they don't. It really is that simple. SMU may very well be the best team n the ACC, but they SHOULD NOT take the "best team", they should be taking the team that played WON, ON THE FIELD. Clemson beat SMU in the Championship game yesterday and that means Clemson deserves to go.
College football must eliminate as much of the subjectivity of who gets in or not, otherwise it will become the silliness that we see going on now where the Big 10 and SEC automatically get 8 of the 12 spots.
Make it FAIR for all teams, or don't even have it.
 
SMF...If SMU makes it, they make. If they don't, then they don't. It really is that simple. SMU may very well be the best team n the ACC, but they SHOULD NOT take the "best team", they should be taking the team that played WON, ON THE FIELD. Clemson beat SMU in the Championship game yesterday and that means Clemson deserves to go.
College football must eliminate as much of the subjectivity of who gets in or not, otherwise it will become the silliness that we see going on now where the Big 10 and SEC automatically get 8 of the 12 spots.
Make it FAIR for all teams, or don't even have it.

Clemson gets an autobids. The only question is between SMU and Alabama. The committee should select SMU if they are being objective. But they might take Alabama, because... well... Bama.
 
They won't rank a 9-3 Duke because that strengthens the ACC resume. Why is Boise protected? They beat UNLV twice but Syracuse also beat UNLV. It's all biased BS smh
 
All these teams are flawed so it is hard to rank them but I am not sure why ND is getting a pass when they have the worst lose and there best win is a G5 team.
 
I have no idea how you could’ve watched OSU/PSU and OSU/Indiana and come away with that opinion.
Easy. IU gave OSU 2 easy TD’s, one at the end of the 1st half when the punter let the snap go right through his hands and gave OSU a gift less than 10-yard TD Drive. The other was a punt return TD. Take those away and it’s a 9-pt margin, not any different than PSU’s 7-pt margin.

I could also throw in the meaningless TD OSU scored with 38 seconds left in the game and the margin is less. But I won’t count that one since it just offsets the one IU scored a minute or so before that. In any event, IU was at least able to score a couple offensive TDs against OSU, PSU’s only score was by an INT return.
 
Easy. IU gave OSU 2 easy TD’s, one at the end of the 1st half when the punter let the snap go right through his hands and gave OSU a gift less than 10-yard TD Drive. The other was a punt return TD. Take those away and it’s a 9-pt margin, not any different than PSU’s 7-pt margin.

I could also throw in the meaningless TD OSU scored with 38 seconds left in the game and the margin is less. But I won’t count that one since it just offsets the one IU scored a minute or so before that. In any event, IU was at least able to score a couple offensive TDs against OSU, PSU’s only score was by an INT return.

I think Ohio State mostly dominated them on a per-down basis. The metrics didn't paint a good picture for Indiana. They could have won that game by a lot more, in my opinion.
 
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I think Ohio State mostly dominated them on a per-down basis. The metrics didn't paint a good picture for Indiana. They could have won that game by a lot more, in my opinion.


I said this before, I was at the Pitt - Robert Morris womens basketball game that afternoon. During one of the commercial breaks late in the game I was looking at the college football scores on my phone. At that time the OSU - Indiana game had something like 12 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Indiana had 80-something yards of total offense. And most of that came on their first drive of the game.

I obviously did not watch the game, but if 48 minutes into the game you have 80 yards of total offense, you are getting manhandled on the field.
 
I said this before, I was at the Pitt - Robert Morris womens basketball game that afternoon. During one of the commercial breaks late in the game I was looking at the college football scores on my phone. At that time the OSU - Indiana game had something like 12 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Indiana had 80-something yards of total offense. And most of that came on their first drive of the game.

I obviously did not watch the game, but if 48 minutes into the game you have 80 yards of total offense, you are getting manhandled on the field.

Yeah, they looked impressive on the first drive and looked like they at least belonged for a possession or two after that. But then it stopped being competitive at all. It was nothing even slightly close to the OSU vs Penn State game.
 
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